Sparky want ICE with no Boom

Nimz · 21st June 2007, 02:07

Hi Team,

Am looking at an ICE setup for my Spark which is yet to be delivered. Am told that it has speaker provisions only in the front which is fine with me. I dont intend to sit in the back.

My requirements:

- Resolution! Resolution and Resolution! No boom and no shrill tweeters!
- I need a HU / Speaker set up which has good mids. (1 HU and 1 pair of speakers for the Front. No rear. If I can fit 4 in the front do let me know.)
- I dont need any graphic equalizer and other stuff
- A USB port would be desirable
- Looks dont matter much. Soundstage matters.
- Jazz / Slow Rock are what I listen to (I have a Marantz / Wharfedale setup at home which I love. I like that kinda sound if you get me)
- I intend to do serious listening at home and would like decent music mainly during long drives and hence have a budget of 10K for HU and 1 pair of speakers in the front.

Would like a shortlist of good Head Units and a good pair of speakers which would match the above requirements and also fit in the Spark.

Thanks so much in advance..

NImz

sabret00the · 21st June 2007, 03:22

hmm sounds interesting...lets see the replies...for me I have short listed the Sony xplod GT460 US head unit which has a usb port

gunbir · 21st June 2007, 07:57

Kenwood 5033U HU
Hertz Hi Energy / Infnity Kappa components
Audison / Alpine 2ch amp

OVERBUDGET!

hydrashok · 21st June 2007, 09:01

Congrats on the new car, and welcome to TBHP-ICE!

Man-oh-man! You definitely know what you want, and I like what you like in music and equipment (all go, no show)

For a good pair of speakers (2-way comps) and a HU that will do justice to the kind of music you're used to, 10K won't even begin to cut it.

You'll need to spend at least 7K on the HU (say Pio6950 a little bling, but sounds pretty good). Go for a Blau or Kenwood HU in this range for non-bling looks and reasonable sound. The entry-level Alpine (9k) would be good. You'll find some good Alpines (for as low as 4K-5K) in car accessory shops, left by Skoda/Honda owners when they upgraded their OE HUs after buying the cars. (EDIT: For USB, you'll need to restrict yourself to Pio and JVC at the 6-8K range. I think Kenwood has some USB enabled HUs, but only in the 9K + range. Blaus don't have USB in the under 15K range).

Entry-level ranges (of speakers) from nearly all manufacturers focus more on the highs and less on the mids. You'll need to spend at least 8K to 10K on a pair of comps to start with. Hertz ESK165 or Infinity Reference series at least. Ideally the next series like the one Gunbir mentioned.

Now an additional issue is that you'll need to amp the comps at that level of speakers

So a 2-ch amp is needed. Ideally a 4-ch amp bridged to 2-ch. There goes another 8K (at least). And power & RCA cables for another 3K. We've not even planned a Sub here.

Now that I'm done breaking your budget (based on your listening tastes and based on the kind of equipment you listen to at home), at 10K you can do this:

HU: Pio 2950 (4K) or other options from Kenwood & JVC in this range.
Speakers: Hertz DSK165 or JBL GTO607c (6-6.5K).

But you may not like the sound. If you pay a visit to your local car audio store and listen to their demo boards, you'll know what I mean.

Sam Kapasi · 21st June 2007, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbir

Kenwood 5033U HU
Hertz Hi Energy / Infnity Kappa components
Audison / Alpine 2ch amp

OVERBUDGET!

lol Gunbir, his TOTAL budget is the cost of item number 2. Daya karo.

Sparky boom boom,

Hydra's options are closer to your 10K than Gunbir's. You need atleast 20-25K for the above stuff.

Autophile · 21st June 2007, 10:24

Go for good 4" Coaxials in the front and 6X9's at the back running off the HU. The 5.25" / 6.5" components are impossible to install in the front doors of Spark.

sabret00the · 21st June 2007, 11:13

@ Kapasi Sir,I'm looking for a normal type ICE...I like music but I'm an enthusiast type..my car is a tiny little alto and I'm looking for a sensible setup which wont cost me a fortune...a good HU coupled with 4 speakers - 2 under the dash and 2 at the rear panel I wud guess (or whatever turns out to be the best deal as per u) for less than Rs.12-15k.I had gained a lot of knowledge from others too in another thread but I'm asking u coz ur the ICE GOD in this forum.Another thing is that I'm looking for sound quality and not a lot of BOOM.The HU I had shortlisted is the Sony xplod GT460 US..wat do u think about it?I wud prefer something which will support a usb drive...

Sam Kapasi · 21st June 2007, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabret00the

@ Kapasi Sir,I'm looking for a normal type ICE...I like music but I'm an enthusiast type..my car is a tiny little alto and I'm looking for a sensible setup which wont cost me a fortune...a good HU coupled with 4 speakers - 2 under the dash and 2 at the rear panel I wud guess (or whatever turns out to be the best deal as per u) for less than Rs.12-15k.I had gained a lot of knowledge from others too in another thread but I'm asking u coz ur the ICE GOD in this forum.Another thing is that I'm looking for sound quality and not a lot of BOOM.The HU I had shortlisted is the Sony xplod GT460 US..wat do u think about it?I wud prefer something which will support a usb drive...

Hello hello Toothe,
First of all, lol, the only thing I am lord of, is the yetis.

For an alto, you have not too many choices for the front. Get a nice 4" coaxial and drop it in the dash. For the rear, a pair of 6X9, just like the spark.
The Sony HU is not bad, do check out some Kenwood USB options.

Cheers

navin · 21st June 2007, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autophile

Go for good 4" Coaxials in the front and 6X9's at the back running off the HU. The 5.25" / 6.5" components are impossible to install in the front doors of Spark.

I agree. I dont think the Spark can accomodate 5" comps in the front and I did not see a tweeter pod either.

JB< if one uses a spacer ring and forgets the stock look (grill) can one then squeeze in a 5"?

HU: Blau Mumbai for 4K
4" coax: Infinty 4012i or Alpine 10C2 for 6K. I dont think the Kappa 42.7 will fit in the budget.

Nimz · 21st June 2007, 14:07

Thanks Gurus of ICE.

So I have options for HU

- Blau Mumbai
- Pio 2950

Speakers 4" co-axials - 1 pair on the front (I hope it is perfectly alright if I tell the dealer that I need only 1 pair for the front or will he look at me as if I have landed from another planet??)

- Hertz DSK165
- JBL GTO607c
- Infinty 4012i
- Alpine 10C2

My weekend is cut out now..

Gurus, Any dos and donts while auditioning?

And and you kindly point me in the direction of good shops in Bangy where I can audition. Thanks a ton

Nimz

sabret00the · 21st June 2007, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Hello hello Toothe,
First of all, lol, the only thing I am lord of, is the yetis.

For an alto, you have not too many choices for the front. Get a nice 4" coaxial and drop it in the dash. For the rear, a pair of 6X9, just like the spark.
The Sony HU is not bad, do check out some Kenwood USB options.

Cheers

So I'll be getting,
4" coaxial for the front and pair of 6X9 for the rear...Gr8
I heard the HU from sony at the Sony World and it seems to be fine for my requirements...Any brands or models in particular and the kind of price range...for the speakers.

sabret00the · 21st June 2007, 14:10

And a good reliable place to buy ICE in Calcutta wud be....?

Sam Kapasi · 21st June 2007, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimz

- Hertz DSK165
- JBL GTO607c
- Infinty 4012i
- Alpine 10C2

GTO607C is a 6" component set. You want to ask for the GTO427 or the slightly lesser priced CS2104.

sk456 · 21st June 2007, 14:27

NIMZ ...you are so doomed..welcome to the ICE section

on a more serious note...I would seriuosly suggest you save up/rob/steal and add soem more mollah to your budget or for your music tastes you jsut wont like anythign that you get within your budget...as upgrades can turn out be very expensive....beleive me ive been there...

Nimz · 21st June 2007, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by sk456

NIMZ ...you are so doomed..welcome to the ICE section

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Oh no... ok tell me.. For my tastes what should be the least possible cash outlay. Maybe I will work towards that and if necessary postpone my ICE purchase a bit instead of getting a install which I may end up not liking!!

My initial budget for my home setup was 20K for fronts and an AVR otgether. I ended up getting only the fronts for 2OK

So let me know the minmum budget and the HU / speakers. I'll start auditioning..

Nimz

21st June 2007, 02:07	#1
Nimz BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 594 Thanked: 198 Times View My Garage	Sparky want ICE with no Boom Hi Team, Am looking at an ICE setup for my Spark which is yet to be delivered. Am told that it has speaker provisions only in the front which is fine with me. I dont intend to sit in the back. My requirements: - Resolution! Resolution and Resolution! No boom and no shrill tweeters! - I need a HU / Speaker set up which has good mids. (1 HU and 1 pair of speakers for the Front. No rear. If I can fit 4 in the front do let me know.) - I dont need any graphic equalizer and other stuff - A USB port would be desirable - Looks dont matter much. Soundstage matters. - Jazz / Slow Rock are what I listen to (I have a Marantz / Wharfedale setup at home which I love. I like that kinda sound if you get me) - I intend to do serious listening at home and would like decent music mainly during long drives and hence have a budget of 10K for HU and 1 pair of speakers in the front. Would like a shortlist of good Head Units and a good pair of speakers which would match the above requirements and also fit in the Spark. Thanks so much in advance.. NImz
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21st June 2007, 03:22	#2
sabret00the BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: YYC \| BLR \| CCU Posts: 692 Thanked: 55 Times View My Garage	hmm sounds interesting...lets see the replies...for me I have short listed the Sony xplod GT460 US head unit which has a usb port
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21st June 2007, 07:57	#3
gunbir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,465 Thanked: 32 Times	Kenwood 5033U HU Hertz Hi Energy / Infnity Kappa components Audison / Alpine 2ch amp OVERBUDGET!
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21st June 2007, 09:01	#4
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Congrats on the new car, and welcome to TBHP-ICE! Man-oh-man! You definitely know what you want, and I like what you like in music and equipment (all go, no show) For a good pair of speakers (2-way comps) and a HU that will do justice to the kind of music you're used to, 10K won't even begin to cut it. You'll need to spend at least 7K on the HU (say Pio6950 a little bling, but sounds pretty good). Go for a Blau or Kenwood HU in this range for non-bling looks and reasonable sound. The entry-level Alpine (9k) would be good. You'll find some good Alpines (for as low as 4K-5K) in car accessory shops, left by Skoda/Honda owners when they upgraded their OE HUs after buying the cars. (EDIT: For USB, you'll need to restrict yourself to Pio and JVC at the 6-8K range. I think Kenwood has some USB enabled HUs, but only in the 9K + range. Blaus don't have USB in the under 15K range). Entry-level ranges (of speakers) from nearly all manufacturers focus more on the highs and less on the mids. You'll need to spend at least 8K to 10K on a pair of comps to start with. Hertz ESK165 or Infinity Reference series at least. Ideally the next series like the one Gunbir mentioned. Now an additional issue is that you'll need to amp the comps at that level of speakers So a 2-ch amp is needed. Ideally a 4-ch amp bridged to 2-ch. There goes another 8K (at least). And power & RCA cables for another 3K. We've not even planned a Sub here. Now that I'm done breaking your budget (based on your listening tastes and based on the kind of equipment you listen to at home), at 10K you can do this: HU: Pio 2950 (4K) or other options from Kenwood & JVC in this range. Speakers: Hertz DSK165 or JBL GTO607c (6-6.5K). But you may not like the sound. If you pay a visit to your local car audio store and listen to their demo boards, you'll know what I mean. Last edited by hydrashok : 21st June 2007 at 09:09.
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21st June 2007, 10:24	#6
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	Go for good 4" Coaxials in the front and 6X9's at the back running off the HU. The 5.25" / 6.5" components are impossible to install in the front doors of Spark.
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21st June 2007, 11:13	#7
sabret00the BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: YYC \| BLR \| CCU Posts: 692 Thanked: 55 Times View My Garage	@ Kapasi Sir,I'm looking for a normal type ICE...I like music but I'm an enthusiast type..my car is a tiny little alto and I'm looking for a sensible setup which wont cost me a fortune...a good HU coupled with 4 speakers - 2 under the dash and 2 at the rear panel I wud guess (or whatever turns out to be the best deal as per u) for less than Rs.12-15k.I had gained a lot of knowledge from others too in another thread but I'm asking u coz ur the ICE GOD in this forum.Another thing is that I'm looking for sound quality and not a lot of BOOM.The HU I had shortlisted is the Sony xplod GT460 US..wat do u think about it?I wud prefer something which will support a usb drive... Last edited by sabret00the : 21st June 2007 at 11:15.
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21st June 2007, 14:07	#10
Nimz BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 594 Thanked: 198 Times View My Garage	Thanks Gurus of ICE. So I have options for HU - Blau Mumbai - Pio 2950 Speakers 4" co-axials - 1 pair on the front (I hope it is perfectly alright if I tell the dealer that I need only 1 pair for the front or will he look at me as if I have landed from another planet??) - Hertz DSK165 - JBL GTO607c - Infinty 4012i - Alpine 10C2 My weekend is cut out now.. Gurus, Any dos and donts while auditioning? And and you kindly point me in the direction of good shops in Bangy where I can audition. Thanks a ton Nimz
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21st June 2007, 14:10	#12
sabret00the BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: YYC \| BLR \| CCU Posts: 692 Thanked: 55 Times View My Garage	And a good reliable place to buy ICE in Calcutta wud be....?
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21st June 2007, 14:27	#14
sk456 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: @Noida/Gurgaon Posts: 570 Thanked: 7 Times	NIMZ ...you are so doomed..welcome to the ICE section on a more serious note...I would seriuosly suggest you save up/rob/steal and add soem more mollah to your budget or for your music tastes you jsut wont like anythign that you get within your budget...as upgrades can turn out be very expensive....beleive me ive been there... Last edited by sk456 : 21st June 2007 at 14:31.
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