Need advice on woofer for my Swift

venkateshs · 31st October 2007, 16:10

Hi Gurus,

This is my first post on team-bhp!

I have a maruti swift zxi - petrol version.

My music system specs:

Pioneer DEH 5850

I have installed 4 x6" Coustic US CX603 speakers on the front and rear doors.

Specs for the speakers are mentione below:

Tweeter: 6-1/2" Triaxial-Poly Woofer, 13mm Tweeter, Piezo Super Tweeter Power Handling: 50W RMS/150W Max Power
Sensitivity (1W/1m): 88.0dB
Frequency Response: 70Hz to 20kHz (±3dB)

I have been having this for an year now. Now, i want to add an sub-woofer to my car. I know this will eat up a lot of space now.

Also, my knowledge on this area in very minimal.

My qstns:

1. Does this model (head unit) have an in-built amp? should i definitely buy an amplifier?
2. Should i go in for a box or tube - type sub-woofers? which would be better both in terms of sound quality and saving space?
3. what options do i have for both amp and sub-woofers?
4. I'm in pune. what dealers can i get in touch with?
5. I'm a guy who listens to thumping bass - mainly hip hop and pop music. what models and specs should i go for?
6. the dealer next to my house was recommending to go for JBL and my collegue recommends sumokoo...

i know my qstns show my knowledge is poor in this. however, would appreciate your views and advice.

Regards,
Venkatesh

navin · 1st November 2007, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by venkateshs

Pioneer DEH 5850
I have installed 4 x6" Coustic US CX603 speakers on the front and rear doors.
Now, i want to add an sub-woofer to my car.
1. Does this model (head unit) have an in-built amp? should i definitely buy an amplifier?
2. Should i go in for a box or tube
3. what options do i have for both amp and sub-woofers?
5. I'm a guy who listens to thumping bass - mainly hip hop and pop music. what models and specs should i go for?
6. the dealer next to my house was recommending to go for JBL and my collegue recommends sumokoo...

all HUs have amps, if you find your self pushing the HU past it's half way mark get an amp for the 4 speakers. you will need an amp for the sub too. However some 4 ch. amps are power ful enough to drive a sub when 2 of their channels are bridged, by using such an amp and using the Hu to drive the rear speakers only you can save part of the cost of the subwoofer amp.

since you like BOOM get a tube sub. Most people here would recommend JBL over Sumokoo. I have heard Sumokoo a few times and have NOT been impressed. I sure hope their products have improved.

BTW what is your budget?

venkateshs · 2nd November 2007, 10:35

Thanks for the comments. BTW, my budget is 10k.

navin · 2nd November 2007, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by venkateshs

Thanks for the comments. BTW, my budget is 10k.

spend half on a HU like a Pio 2950 or Blau Mumbai, and half on speakers like the JBL GT5 series or Blau GT series.

kumar_ranjan · 2nd November 2007, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by venkateshs

Thanks for the comments. BTW, my budget is 10k.

I think this is your budget for Subs + Amps, Right? You can look at the Blau Bass tube GTT 300 + GTA 2 Channel Amp (GTA 275 or GTA 280).

montyguru · 2nd November 2007, 13:02

for completing an existing set-up, nothing beats soomoku in sheer value. (for hatches, in space too).

at around 10k, you would get:

option 1.
a 100w RMS mono-block amplifier (with lpf, gain and phase control)
a 10" subwoofer
a factory sealed ported enclosure
a wired remote on your dash
(all of this in one compact box that can be moved around in your boot)

option 2
same setup with two 8" woofers - if you are looking for 'loud' bass.
(this takes more space)

option 3
save money. get the 8" pre-amplified box, saves space and is more than enough to complete your 50w coustic 4 speaker set-up. retails for Rs. 7500, may be less for you ;-).

you can use your speakers outs to drive the amp, with no need to change your head unit.

jbl also has one such product which has probably been discontinued i guess.

JBL Car & Marine Audio

MRP in India is Rs. 12,500, but not available, probably around Rs. 8,000 in grey, this has a quad voice coil and a 4-channel amp.

pioneer and alpine too have similar products which you can check at pioneer electronics europe website or alpine website in pre-amplified subs. these products simply complement 4 speaker factory set-ups and are not for loud or thumping bass. any of these should be as fine i guess.

Krato · 2nd November 2007, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by venkateshs

Thanks for the comments. BTW, my budget is 10k.

you might have to spend some amount on the wiring also... 2 to 3K

Technocrat · 2nd November 2007, 14:19

Venkatesh Most have been said. I will just list down what you need:

If you want to add just a subwoofer & are fine with the output from speakers at slightly higher volume(read more than 50% Volume) You need:

- Two channel amp
- A sub

If you want to sub as well as more sound read that as good clarity at higher volume the you need:

- A four channel amp
- A sub

Normally A Sony is no no but on a tight budget the amp & sub are fine if not good as its cheaper than most other brands with B/W

There are lots of people with varied ICE setups in Pune. We can have an ICE meet so that you can personally listen to various options for type & brand of Subs & amps

p.s. I think I will get killed for suggesting a Sony

venkateshs · 2nd November 2007, 14:29

Thanks for the replies guys.

Just to clarify:

I have already spent 14k on the HU and the 4x6" speakers on the doors last year.

All i want now is 1 x 12" sub-woofer tube type as i want high bass and an amplifier. For these I have a budget of around 10k.

I would serioulsy like to have a look at the systems that Pune BHPians have in their cars if we could have a meet this weekend...

My number is 98810 69630.

Regards,
Venkatesh

venkateshs · 2nd November 2007, 17:42

Hi,

I have finalized CS1204T as the subwoofer. Could you pls give me options for the 4 channel amp?

i can sqeeze in about 12k (amp+sub)...please let me know the amp options that I have with Blaupunkt, JBL and Pioneer?

Also, how are Coustic and MTX amps?

navin · 2nd November 2007, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by venkateshs

i can sqeeze in about 12k (amp+sub)...please let me know the amp options that I have with Blaupunkt, JBL and Pioneer?

7K for amp (4 options - Pio, JBL, Kenwood, Blau) and 5K for sub (2 options Pio, JBL).

venkateshs · 5th November 2007, 11:14

Hi All,

I have finally ICE-d by Swift.

have installed JBL CS 60.4 amp and a GT4-12 sub in a box. Thanks for all the sugesstions and support from all the BHP-ians.

Krato · 5th November 2007, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by venkateshs

Hi All,

I have finally ICE-d by Swift.

have installed JBL CS 60.4 amp and a GT4-12 sub in a box. Thanks for all the sugesstions and support from all the BHP-ians.

Congratulations on your install.
Enjoy the music and drive safely.

Technocrat · 5th November 2007, 13:54

Congrats Venkatesh for the upgrade, Hope you are enjoying it

Are you powering the front comps with amp now ?

moralfibre · 5th November 2007, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Are you powering the front comps with amp now ?

He doesn't have comps in the car at all. He has 4 x 6" co-axials running off the HU. IIRC he bought a JBL CS 60.4 for Rs. 5,500/- and a CS1204? sub in a sealed box for around 3k? Now he is running the front co-axials off two channels of the amp and the other two are bridged to drive the sub.

31st October 2007, 16:10	#1
venkateshs BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 26 Thanked: Once	Need advice on woofer for my Swift Hi Gurus, This is my first post on team-bhp! I have a maruti swift zxi - petrol version. My music system specs: Pioneer DEH 5850 I have installed 4 x6" Coustic US CX603 speakers on the front and rear doors. Specs for the speakers are mentione below: Tweeter: 6-1/2" Triaxial-Poly Woofer, 13mm Tweeter, Piezo Super Tweeter Power Handling: 50W RMS/150W Max Power Sensitivity (1W/1m): 88.0dB Frequency Response: 70Hz to 20kHz (±3dB) I have been having this for an year now. Now, i want to add an sub-woofer to my car. I know this will eat up a lot of space now. Also, my knowledge on this area in very minimal. My qstns: 1. Does this model (head unit) have an in-built amp? should i definitely buy an amplifier? 2. Should i go in for a box or tube - type sub-woofers? which would be better both in terms of sound quality and saving space? 3. what options do i have for both amp and sub-woofers? 4. I'm in pune. what dealers can i get in touch with? 5. I'm a guy who listens to thumping bass - mainly hip hop and pop music. what models and specs should i go for? 6. the dealer next to my house was recommending to go for JBL and my collegue recommends sumokoo... i know my qstns show my knowledge is poor in this. however, would appreciate your views and advice. Regards, Venkatesh
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2nd November 2007, 10:35	#3
venkateshs BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 26 Thanked: Once	Thanks for the comments. BTW, my budget is 10k.
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2nd November 2007, 13:02	#6
montyguru BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: delhi Posts: 295 Thanked: 3 Times	soomoku and more. for completing an existing set-up, nothing beats soomoku in sheer value. (for hatches, in space too). at around 10k, you would get: option 1. a 100w RMS mono-block amplifier (with lpf, gain and phase control) a 10" subwoofer a factory sealed ported enclosure a wired remote on your dash (all of this in one compact box that can be moved around in your boot) option 2 same setup with two 8" woofers - if you are looking for 'loud' bass. (this takes more space) option 3 save money. get the 8" pre-amplified box, saves space and is more than enough to complete your 50w coustic 4 speaker set-up. retails for Rs. 7500, may be less for you ;-). you can use your speakers outs to drive the amp, with no need to change your head unit. jbl also has one such product which has probably been discontinued i guess. JBL Car & Marine Audio MRP in India is Rs. 12,500, but not available, probably around Rs. 8,000 in grey, this has a quad voice coil and a 4-channel amp. pioneer and alpine too have similar products which you can check at pioneer electronics europe website or alpine website in pre-amplified subs. these products simply complement 4 speaker factory set-ups and are not for loud or thumping bass. any of these should be as fine i guess.
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2nd November 2007, 14:19	#8
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Venkatesh Most have been said. I will just list down what you need: If you want to add just a subwoofer & are fine with the output from speakers at slightly higher volume(read more than 50% Volume) You need: - Two channel amp - A sub If you want to sub as well as more sound read that as good clarity at higher volume the you need: - A four channel amp - A sub Normally A Sony is no no but on a tight budget the amp & sub are fine if not good as its cheaper than most other brands with B/W There are lots of people with varied ICE setups in Pune. We can have an ICE meet so that you can personally listen to various options for type & brand of Subs & amps p.s. I think I will get killed for suggesting a Sony
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2nd November 2007, 14:29	#9
venkateshs BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 26 Thanked: Once	Thanks for the replies guys. Just to clarify: I have already spent 14k on the HU and the 4x6" speakers on the doors last year. All i want now is 1 x 12" sub-woofer tube type as i want high bass and an amplifier. For these I have a budget of around 10k. I would serioulsy like to have a look at the systems that Pune BHPians have in their cars if we could have a meet this weekend... My number is 98810 69630. Regards, Venkatesh
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2nd November 2007, 17:42	#10
venkateshs BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 26 Thanked: Once	Hi, I have finalized CS1204T as the subwoofer. Could you pls give me options for the 4 channel amp? i can sqeeze in about 12k (amp+sub)...please let me know the amp options that I have with Blaupunkt, JBL and Pioneer? Also, how are Coustic and MTX amps?
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 11:14	#12
venkateshs BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 26 Thanked: Once	Hi All, I have finally ICE-d by Swift. have installed JBL CS 60.4 amp and a GT4-12 sub in a box. Thanks for all the sugesstions and support from all the BHP-ians.
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 13:54	#14
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Congrats Venkatesh for the upgrade, Hope you are enjoying it Are you powering the front comps with amp now ?
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