ICE budget 25k...period

sanchits · 21st July 2008, 23:01

guys,its not for me but a friend,so the budget is strictly 20 to 25k for a ikon.

i want to know the best possible system in this budget
want the foll

HU
front components only - not sure of the size...wat fits the ikon?
subwoofer
4 channel amp - to power the compos and sub.
wiring

more SQ oriented with good bass...not into loud music. please give the best options available.

greenhorn · 21st July 2008, 23:27

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/ask-gu...k-25k-30k.html

the thread you need to read .... period

PS: i think the icon has 5x7 locations, which kinda reduces your options . then again, since you'll be getting a sub, round 5"ers should do fine

abhibh · 21st July 2008, 23:33

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

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PS: i think the icon has 5x7 locations, which kinda reduces your options . then again, since you'll be getting a sub, round 5"ers should do fine

I didnt knew that even Ikon has 5x7. Though 1 question can't we make spacer rings to accommodate 6.5" ?

rider60 · 21st July 2008, 23:39

well you can look at the pio HUs

you can get the 5050 with 3 pre-amp outs its like around 6000 bucks

the components are like around 4000

the sub you can get the pioneer TS-W 307 D4 for around 3500 bucks

as for the amp you can get the GT5 A604 from jbl for around 6000 bucks and the rest can be spent on the wiring and installation. this a very good system in that budget.

and the total should be like 19500 for all the things and for the wiring, damping and installation you can spend the rest of 5500 bucks.

EDIT: all the prices i put on here are for the products in grey market they would cost like say 7000 more with bill and warranty

abhibh · 22nd July 2008, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by rider60

the sub you can get the pioneer TS-W 307 D4 for around 3500 bucks

as for the amp you can get the GT5 A604 from jbl for around 6000 bucks and the rest can be spent on the wiring and installation. this a very good system in that budget.

If i am not mistaken D4 is DVC @4ohm and if there is only 1 amp powering the components and sub then one wont be able to power the coils of the sub ?

speedzak · 22nd July 2008, 00:13

You have to read the thread which Greenhorn has given link to.
Rider's suggestion seems excellent.

My recommendation:
6k - HU (Kenwood/Jvc/pioneer).
4.5k - Bull Audio 6.5" components.
5k - 4 channel amp (Kenwood/Jvc/pioneer).
6k - sub in a sealed box (Kenwood/JBL/pioneer).
Balance for wiring and install.

rider60 · 3rd August 2008, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhibh

If i am not mistaken D4 is DVC @4ohm and if there is only 1 amp powering the components and sub then one wont be able to power the coils of the sub ?

sorry about this sub's suggestion i got a little confused there, the better one would be the jbl's CS1204, or the jbl GT5-12 which are SVC@4ohms and should be just right for this amp when in bridged mode.

thanks for pointing out abhi.

funnyguru · 18th November 2009, 17:16

Hi Gurus,
I'm in a fix now. Having gone through a lot of ICE set ups with Amps and Subs, for a budget of 25k, am I given a rough deal with the following, though the option provided by the installer are good brands. Can i get the same output with VFM brands/products and include amps and subs?

Alphine 9874 8800
Polk Comps 8200
Polk Coaxials 3800
Labour 600
Damping 3000
Cable 800

Grand total 25200

Please advise.

thelord · 18th November 2009, 21:47

Components powered by an amp will always give better output.
Try to audition a few setups in Chennai. If you are on a tight budget, I'd say go for front comps + amp + sub (i assume that the car will be self driven most of the times).
You can skip or maybe install the rear coaxials at a later stage.

funnyguru · 18th November 2009, 21:55

Ya, it will be self driven. So if I go with your arrangement I can go with a 2 channel amp right. One for the front comps and the other for the sub

greenh0rn · 18th November 2009, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyguru

Polk Comps 8200

Looks expensive, compared to better priced but amazing sounding options available. Try and listen to Polk and also Illusion, JBL and ID CTX (a bit higher than the earlier 2) for a comparison.

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyguru

Cable 800

Looks cheap (read bad). A good wiring kit with a 2-ch RCA cable, power cable, fuse and fuse holder, and sub wire starts around 2-3k. Even if going ala carte, you should go for a really good RCA cable if you love your music.

jerry can · 19th November 2009, 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyguru

Ya, it will be self driven. So if I go with your arrangement I can go with a 2 channel amp right. One for the front comps and the other for the sub

No, not exactly. You'll need a 4 channel amp, the front 2 channels will drive the front 2 speakers and the rear 2 channels will have to be bridged to drive the sub.

cvc2145 · 19th November 2009, 07:55

If you're looking for SQ, forget the dealers recommendation to you.
Even if you get comps worth 20k , it would be a waste to drive them off the HU. You need to get an amp for good SPL/SQ. No exceptions.

I would recommend you go for a pioneer HU worth around 5-6k. Dont go for the alpine, when you go an aftermarket alpine in India, you go for it only when you have excess money to spare or when you're building a demo block.

With a pioneer HU, you could get 6 preouts, something you wouldnt get with the cde-9874 and better looks/graphics with it.

Depending on your own taste, you could choose from any of these:

1)
Pioneer HU - 5.5k
Front coaxials, probably pioneer yellow cone - roughly 2-3k
Rear 6x9's, yellow/ the new volcano stone speaker - 5.5k
A 4-channel amp, any brand - sony/kenwood/pioneer - 6-9k
The rest for the labor + wires.

This will be good for surround sound and will give adequate amount of bass, but not the low-end-punching bass.

2)
Pioneed HU - 5.5k
Front co-axials around 2k
Rear 6x9s ranging in between 3-4k
4-channel amp - 5-8k
Pioneer subwoofer TS-W307D4 in sealed box - 4.5k
Rest for labor + wires

This will give you a better bass feel but will compromise on SQ and surround. It wouldnt be a balanced sound but it would definetely feel good.

3)
Pioneer HU - 4-5k
Front coaxials - 2k
Rear 6x9's - 3-3.5k
Lower end 4-channel amp - 6k (for all speakers)
Lower end 2 channel amp - 3.5k (for subwoofer)
Subwoofer in sealed enclosure - 4.5k
Rest in labor + wires.

This would be my most recommended option as it would be a balance between all frequencies of sound, would give surround and also provide adequate bass. Though this might go slightly above your 25k budget and land up being 26-28k, it would be an end to a quality system.

For this installation, you would not need a heavy gauge wiring kit and, not even a damping/roadkill kit. They are useful only when you're running alot of bass.

And remember, the built of ikon is for an aftermarket audio system which means that even a good pair of 6x9s in the rear powered by an amp would give you good bass. Only some cars come under this class and your friend is lucky to have one of them.

cooldude1988765 · 19th November 2009, 09:27

I would allocate my budget this way:
HU 6-7k (see if you can find good used ones)
4 Channel amp - 10k
front comps 5-6k
sub 3-4k
box, wiring etc. 3-4k
total 27-30k

funnyguru · 19th November 2009, 13:06

Hi Guys,
Appreciate your collective feedback. I prefer the comps to the coaxials in the front as I would be driving the car. I would not prefer the 6*9 as well as I would not fix speakers on parcel tray either.

So will the comps in the front, round coaxials at the rear make it sound good.+ the 4 channel amps and 12"inch Sub. ??

21st July 2008, 23:01	#1
sanchits BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: gurgaon/delhi Posts: 331 Thanked: Once	ICE budget 25k...period guys,its not for me but a friend,so the budget is strictly 20 to 25k for a ikon. i want to know the best possible system in this budget want the foll HU front components only - not sure of the size...wat fits the ikon? subwoofer 4 channel amp - to power the compos and sub. wiring more SQ oriented with good bass...not into loud music. please give the best options available.
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21st July 2008, 23:27	#2
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,397 Times View My Garage	http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/ask-gu...k-25k-30k.html the thread you need to read .... period PS: i think the icon has 5x7 locations, which kinda reduces your options . then again, since you'll be getting a sub, round 5"ers should do fine
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21st July 2008, 23:39	#4
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	well you can look at the pio HUs you can get the 5050 with 3 pre-amp outs its like around 6000 bucks the components are like around 4000 the sub you can get the pioneer TS-W 307 D4 for around 3500 bucks as for the amp you can get the GT5 A604 from jbl for around 6000 bucks and the rest can be spent on the wiring and installation. this a very good system in that budget. and the total should be like 19500 for all the things and for the wiring, damping and installation you can spend the rest of 5500 bucks. EDIT: all the prices i put on here are for the products in grey market they would cost like say 7000 more with bill and warranty Last edited by rider60 : 21st July 2008 at 23:40.
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22nd July 2008, 00:13	#6
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	You have to read the thread which Greenhorn has given link to. Rider's suggestion seems excellent. My recommendation: 6k - HU (Kenwood/Jvc/pioneer). 4.5k - Bull Audio 6.5" components. 5k - 4 channel amp (Kenwood/Jvc/pioneer). 6k - sub in a sealed box (Kenwood/JBL/pioneer). Balance for wiring and install.
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18th November 2009, 17:16	#8
funnyguru BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 266 Thanked: 5 Times	25K without Amps and subs? Hi Gurus, I'm in a fix now. Having gone through a lot of ICE set ups with Amps and Subs, for a budget of 25k, am I given a rough deal with the following, though the option provided by the installer are good brands. Can i get the same output with VFM brands/products and include amps and subs? Alphine 9874 8800 Polk Comps 8200 Polk Coaxials 3800 Labour 600 Damping 3000 Cable 800 Grand total 25200 Please advise.
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18th November 2009, 21:47	#9
thelord BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 278 Thanked: 5 Times	Components powered by an amp will always give better output. Try to audition a few setups in Chennai. If you are on a tight budget, I'd say go for front comps + amp + sub (i assume that the car will be self driven most of the times). You can skip or maybe install the rear coaxials at a later stage.
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18th November 2009, 21:55	#10
funnyguru BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 266 Thanked: 5 Times	Ya, it will be self driven. So if I go with your arrangement I can go with a 2 channel amp right. One for the front comps and the other for the sub
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19th November 2009, 07:55	#13
cvc2145 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Surat (studying in NY) Posts: 51 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	If you're looking for SQ, forget the dealers recommendation to you. Even if you get comps worth 20k , it would be a waste to drive them off the HU. You need to get an amp for good SPL/SQ. No exceptions. I would recommend you go for a pioneer HU worth around 5-6k. Dont go for the alpine, when you go an aftermarket alpine in India, you go for it only when you have excess money to spare or when you're building a demo block. With a pioneer HU, you could get 6 preouts, something you wouldnt get with the cde-9874 and better looks/graphics with it. Depending on your own taste, you could choose from any of these: 1) Pioneer HU - 5.5k Front coaxials, probably pioneer yellow cone - roughly 2-3k Rear 6x9's, yellow/ the new volcano stone speaker - 5.5k A 4-channel amp, any brand - sony/kenwood/pioneer - 6-9k The rest for the labor + wires. This will be good for surround sound and will give adequate amount of bass, but not the low-end-punching bass. 2) Pioneed HU - 5.5k Front co-axials around 2k Rear 6x9s ranging in between 3-4k 4-channel amp - 5-8k Pioneer subwoofer TS-W307D4 in sealed box - 4.5k Rest for labor + wires This will give you a better bass feel but will compromise on SQ and surround. It wouldnt be a balanced sound but it would definetely feel good. 3) Pioneer HU - 4-5k Front coaxials - 2k Rear 6x9's - 3-3.5k Lower end 4-channel amp - 6k (for all speakers) Lower end 2 channel amp - 3.5k (for subwoofer) Subwoofer in sealed enclosure - 4.5k Rest in labor + wires. This would be my most recommended option as it would be a balance between all frequencies of sound, would give surround and also provide adequate bass. Though this might go slightly above your 25k budget and land up being 26-28k, it would be an end to a quality system. For this installation, you would not need a heavy gauge wiring kit and, not even a damping/roadkill kit. They are useful only when you're running alot of bass. And remember, the built of ikon is for an aftermarket audio system which means that even a good pair of 6x9s in the rear powered by an amp would give you good bass. Only some cars come under this class and your friend is lucky to have one of them.
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19th November 2009, 09:27	#14
cooldude1988765 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,042 Thanked: 194 Times	I would allocate my budget this way: HU 6-7k (see if you can find good used ones) 4 Channel amp - 10k front comps 5-6k sub 3-4k box, wiring etc. 3-4k total 27-30k
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19th November 2009, 13:06	#15
funnyguru BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 266 Thanked: 5 Times	Hi Guys, Appreciate your collective feedback. I prefer the comps to the coaxials in the front as I would be driving the car. I would not prefer the 6*9 as well as I would not fix speakers on parcel tray either. So will the comps in the front, round coaxials at the rear make it sound good.+ the 4 channel amps and 12"inch Sub. ??
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