Minimum budget ICE upgrade for Safari

Technocrat · 28th July 2008, 15:49

@shuvc: One of my friends had the first gen safari & even with a basic system it sounded quite well & to my amusement I saw that he had put 6X9s at front as well as at back

edit: I know ICE gurus will kill me for even mentioning this

tsk1979 · 28th July 2008, 16:06

Shuvc and techno, on this thread both of you have given me the best solution, which I must demo myself, since it appears to be the best setup for me

low_bass_makker · 28th July 2008, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

@shuvc: One of my friends had the first gen safari & even with a basic system it sounded quite well & to my amusement I saw that he had put 6X9s at front as well as at back

edit: I know ICE gurus will kill me for even mentioning this

Door ka mother sister ho jaye ga.

It is a good thing but the door and the door panel will not be able to handle the load and the sound output from the 6x9`s

Technocrat · 28th July 2008, 16:10

yeah if it works you can even damp the doors with remaining moolah

Bass&Trouble · 28th July 2008, 16:11

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Shuvc and techno, on this thread both of you have given me the best solution, which I must demo myself, since it appears to be the best setup for me

Tsk: Knowing you, I am very tempted to say that you are completely, "6x9-in-the-front-door" material.

Technocrat · 28th July 2008, 16:12

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It is a good thing but the door and the door panel will not be able to handle the load and the sound output from the 6x9`s

Why not I have heard of 6x9s installed on boot door & they sound well.

So if he damps the panel & door me thinks it should sound fine.

Biggest challenge will be to be able to place the 6x9s in the doors

tsk1979 · 28th July 2008, 16:18

B&T has listened to the setup I enjoyed. He knows

6x9 will be difficult, so I will require circular speakers of 3 way type.
Please suggest some options and budget in them
I guess JBL 8 series will have some, and so will Bull/Rainbow and Illusion.
Now it comes to budget.

shuvc · 28th July 2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

6x9 will be difficult, so I will require circular speakers of 3 way type.
Please suggest some options and budget in them
I guess JBL 8 series will have some, and so will Bull/Rainbow and Illusion.
Now it comes to budget.

3-way , 2-way should not be a criteria IMO. Speaker size should be. But 6"/6.5" round fronts (2 or 3 way) may not satisfy your mid-bass needs - without an amp ie. Hence, go to an installer and be adamant about 6x9 fronts. Ask him how he'll install.

Damping the doors is a must. It would go a long way in giving you that 'body' to the sound; reducing the 'hollowness'.

JBL 937s will probably be among the most VFM and at the same time suit your needs.

simply_sunny001 · 28th July 2008, 16:46

Guys

How much damping should be enough for Safari's 2 front doors.

Here i'm talking about damping both innermost + inner layer.

thanks

low_bass_makker · 28th July 2008, 16:54

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Originally Posted by simply_sunny001

Guys

How much damping should be enough for Safari's 2 front doors.

Here i'm talking about damping both innermost + inner layer.

thanks

About 2 sq meter (21.4 sq foot) would be enough.

jkdas · 28th July 2008, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

B&T has listened to the setup I enjoyed. He knows

6x9 will be difficult, so I will require circular speakers of 3 way type.
Please suggest some options and budget in them
I guess JBL 8 series will have some, and so will Bull/Rainbow and Illusion.
Now it comes to budget.

6x9's , 3 ways!!!

Get the 7 series, you should get it for a good price as 8 is out.

Either way, you will have to damp, wont cost much if you use NoiseKill right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

About 2 sq meter (21.4 sq foot) would be enough.

Now, can someone quote how much if Noisekill is used and how much for its competition.

low_bass_makker · 28th July 2008, 17:27

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Originally Posted by jkdas

Now, can someone quote how much if Noisekill is used and how much for its competition.

Same quantity but if one is not satisfied then one can double the figure

simply_sunny001 · 28th July 2008, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Same quantity but if one is not satisfied then one can double the figure

Paaji,he probably meant the cost.

low_bass_makker · 28th July 2008, 18:04

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Originally Posted by simply_sunny001

Paaji,he probably meant the cost.

That would be Rs 150 per square feet. As mentioned everywhere in the forum.

iraghava · 29th July 2008, 00:01

Tanveer - I would live with the stock ICE & buffer up the budget slightly before going for any upgrades & yes step-by-step is the best method, you'll appreciate every upgrade more.

But basic config remains the same, a decent 4-ch amp (at least 7k unless you can find something good second hand), a set of good speakers up front & a 12" sub.

Anyone can say anything but I can tell you from my listening experience that if you're looking for well-rounded sound, you need the sub to fill in the lower frequencies. No matter how good speakers you might buy, they'll never fill in the lower frequencies like a sub will.

28th July 2008, 15:49	#16
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	@shuvc: One of my friends had the first gen safari & even with a basic system it sounded quite well & to my amusement I saw that he had put 6X9s at front as well as at back edit: I know ICE gurus will kill me for even mentioning this
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28th July 2008, 16:06	#17
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,822 Times View My Garage	Shuvc and techno, on this thread both of you have given me the best solution, which I must demo myself, since it appears to be the best setup for me
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28th July 2008, 16:10	#19
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	yeah if it works you can even damp the doors with remaining moolah
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28th July 2008, 16:18	#22
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,822 Times View My Garage	B&T has listened to the setup I enjoyed. He knows 6x9 will be difficult, so I will require circular speakers of 3 way type. Please suggest some options and budget in them I guess JBL 8 series will have some, and so will Bull/Rainbow and Illusion. Now it comes to budget.
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28th July 2008, 16:46	#24
simply_sunny001 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London & Rohtak Posts: 1,340 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Guys How much damping should be enough for Safari's 2 front doors. Here i'm talking about damping both innermost + inner layer. thanks
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29th July 2008, 00:01	#30
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	Tanveer - I would live with the stock ICE & buffer up the budget slightly before going for any upgrades & yes step-by-step is the best method, you'll appreciate every upgrade more. But basic config remains the same, a decent 4-ch amp (at least 7k unless you can find something good second hand), a set of good speakers up front & a 12" sub. Anyone can say anything but I can tell you from my listening experience that if you're looking for well-rounded sound, you need the sub to fill in the lower frequencies. No matter how good speakers you might buy, they'll never fill in the lower frequencies like a sub will.
	() Thanks