Good installer in Bangalore for Wagon R Duo

kalravi · 3rd October 2008, 11:07

Dear Path Finder / Suren181 / Chetans,
Thanx for the advise.
I had indicated a budget of 15-20K based on the survey I had done but was not happy with the discussions I had with the shops on installation.
My info was, Sony 470S=7800, Tweeters=850, Front speakers Sony GTF 1025B=1400, Rear speaker Sony GTF1625B=2250, Antenna=250, Installation=500, Total=13050.
If instead of 470S I used the BT3600 (USB+BT) it would be 10000 instead of 7800 and the Total would be 15250.
This info is pre team bhp. Now I need to talk to EVO and work out the cost.
I want a good system and so can look at a higher budget.
Regards,
Ravi.

chetans · 8th October 2008, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalravi

Dear Path Finder / Suren181 / Chetans,
Thanx for the advise.
I had indicated a budget of 15-20K based on the survey I had done but was not happy with the discussions I had with the shops on installation.
My info was, Sony 470S=7800, Tweeters=850, Front speakers Sony GTF 1025B=1400, Rear speaker Sony GTF1625B=2250, Antenna=250, Installation=500, Total=13050.
If instead of 470S I used the BT3600 (USB+BT) it would be 10000 instead of 7800 and the Total would be 15250.
This info is pre team bhp. Now I need to talk to EVO and work out the cost.
I want a good system and so can look at a higher budget.
Regards,
Ravi.

was looking at chinese make touchscreen HU and i hit upon below link :
5-inch Touch Screen 2 Din In-Dash Car DVD Player TV and Bluetooth Function JZY-7188 (SZC434) - US$ 209.00

someone had posted a link to alibaba.com and thats where i got these details.

the cost of above HU is 153$ + 65$ for shipping to india.
If this kind of HU are available in bangalore then where i can check it out?

kalravi · 10th October 2008, 18:17

Dear Chetans,
You probably need to check out every shop in JC road to find out. Frankly I have no idea.
Why are you looking at 2 DIN units. To the best of my knowledge the Wagon R provision is for single DIN. Gurus may please confirm.
I would not look at Chinese HU at this point of time. Why take a risk if you don't need to?
Ravi.

chetans · 10th October 2008, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalravi

Dear Chetans,
You probably need to check out every shop in JC road to find out. Frankly I have no idea.
Why are you looking at 2 DIN units. To the best of my knowledge the Wagon R provision is for single DIN. Gurus may please confirm.
I would not look at Chinese HU at this point of time. Why take a risk if you don't need to?
Ravi.

seems like these chinese HUs are not reliable at all

So its best to skip them.

kalravi · 13th October 2008, 12:26

Dear Chetans,
I visited Satya at EVO on Saturday. Here are the inputs.
The rear speaker can go into the quarter glass enclosure at the back. This currently is serving no purpose and so is a good place. No need to make any holes in the upholstery, etc. He had a sample of the fixture and seemed to fit. I like the position since it does not interfere with the seals or luggage space. I think I'll go for it.
He suggests the Kenwood BT 7539 U over Pioneer DEH 7050 BT. His price for the Kenwood BT 7539 U is 14500 (with B & W). The Pioneer DEH 7050 BT is about 14000/- (grey).
The front speakers can be JBL GT5 402 (1500) or Illusion EC 4.1 (4500).
The rear speakers can be 6x9, JBL GT5 963 (3500) or Illusion LCF xor (4700) or 6.5" circular JBL GT5 692 (2700) or Illusion 6.5" (3700).
Fitting charges including wooden box in rear will be 2750 and including fiber glass box will be 4550. I am quite happy with wood and so am taking the 2750 option.
From this data the options are as follows:
1. Ken+JBL front+JBL 6.5 rear+fitting=21450
2. Ken+JBL front+JBL 6x9 rear+fitting=22250
3.Ken+Ill front+Ill 6.5 rear+fitting=25450
4.Ken+Ill front+Ill 6x9 rear+fitting=26450
These are non-negotiated prices and hence there could be a slight reduction. I need to hear the different set ups to decide if it is worth paying about 4000 for Illusion.
Hope this is useful.
Ravi.

chetans · 13th October 2008, 14:01

kalravi,

have PMed you.

chetans · 14th October 2008, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalravi

Fitting charges including wooden box in rear will be 2750 and including fiber glass box will be 4550. I am quite happy with wood and so am taking the 2750 option.

Ravi.

i was assuming that either quarter glass or hatch door are the options being considered for rear speakers as it doesnt take up space.
any specific reasons for not going with hatch door option?

navin · 14th October 2008, 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalravi

The rear speaker can go into the quarter glass enclosure at the back.

From this data the options are as follows:
2. Ken+JBL front+JBL 6x9 rear+fitting=22250
4.Ken+Ill front+Ill 6x9 rear+fitting=26450

Since you dont have a sub get teh 6x9s in the rear so you get some semblance of bass.

The quarter galss does serve a purpose. It is where your blind spot is. If you cover that spot with a speaker you might find that there is a car in your blind sport that you cant see. Drive the car with that glass area covered for a few days to see if you are comfortable with that.

kalravi · 14th October 2008, 11:39

Dear Navin,
That is a good suggestion.
I normally use the rear view mirror looking through the hatch glass or the side mirror to check out on cars in the rear, but I'll try covering the glass and driving around to be sure that my driving will still be safe.
The decision on 6x9 vs 6.5" circular will be taken after listening to the music on both. I have a list of 7 songs.
Thanx and regards,
Ravi.

kalravi · 14th October 2008, 11:44

Dear Chetans,
In a Wagon R Duo, due to the LPG tank, the stepney is fitted at an angle in the boot. Due to this the speakers in the hatch door have to be fixed on one side. This is not acceptable to me. Also if the speaker is mounted lower down the audio will hit the rear seat, which again is not acceptable.
Regards,
Ravi.

kalravi · 14th October 2008, 13:02

Dear Chetans,
Re your PM.
Cost:
The HU has gone up from 7800 (Sony 470S) to 14500 (Kenwood BT7539U). USB with BT tend to cost abt 13000 and so 14500 for Kenwood with B&W seems okay. Further the Kenwood BT7539U seems to be 2008 model which is good.
JBL speaker prices are comparable to others. I had got prices for JBL CS2104 @ 1800 and JBL GT5 502 @ 2800 which compare well with GT5 402 @ 1500 and GT5 692 @ 2700. The Illusion is a premium speaker and hence is high priced and I need to listen to it to decide if it is worth it.
The normal fitting charges are about 1000, which includes antennae, speaker cabinets and labour. Satya's charges of 2750 are rather high and I need to find out why.
The set up does not have tweeters. Satya said the Illusion speaker does not require tweeters. I do no know if the JBL will require one. If so it will add 1000 to the cost.
The rear quarter glass is recessed and so the speaker can be fited with a minumum projection. There will be some sponge material to protect the glass. Fitting will most probably be with a couple of small screw holes into the body. I plan to use velcro to give it more stability.
I had visited a few shops earlier and all of them were giving me either a tray option (completely blocking my boot space) or 2 speakers on one side in the hatch door (which looked quite terrible). Only Satya has done the fitting on the quarter glass. So trying other installers does not make sense.
Navin's issue of blind spot needs to be checked out. I will cover it with some cardboard and try for a few days.
Regards,
Ravi.

DerAlte · 14th October 2008, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalravi

... if the speaker is mounted lower down the audio will hit the rear seat, which again is not acceptable. ...

Unlike with light or water spray, the image created by speakers mounted on the hatch will still reach the rear seat passengers, albeit not "in front" as with front speakers.

sandeep3in · 14th October 2008, 14:21

There is Sachins Auto shop in Koramangla , Couple of my friends has done the install there and they are very happy , For the address just search team bhp or google with Sachins Autoshop kormanagla , This guy seems to be pretty knowledgeable in sounds ,

he also does *** in case you land up in any problem .

sandeep3in · 14th October 2008, 21:17

Sorry for the Typo above , what i wanted to mention was the A.S.S(After sales and Service).I just forgot the dots and it meant something else

kalravi · 15th October 2008, 10:40

Dear Navin,
I checked out your advise:
"The quarter glass does serve a purpose. It is where your blind spot is. If you cover that spot with a speaker you might find that there is a car in your blind sport that you cant see. Drive the car with that glass area covered for a few days to see if you are comfortable with that."
The right rear quarter glass is totally useless. You cannot see it at all.
The left quarter glass is useful when you are reversing and want to see the left clearance, especially if you are reversing out of a garage and want to turn left immediately after the garage wall / door. Looking through the rear view mirror while driving, I was not able to see anything through the quarter glass.
Still I'll put some cardboard and cover both quarter glass and check it out.
Regards,
Ravi.

3rd October 2008, 11:07	#16
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Path Finder / Suren181 / Chetans, Thanx for the advise. I had indicated a budget of 15-20K based on the survey I had done but was not happy with the discussions I had with the shops on installation. My info was, Sony 470S=7800, Tweeters=850, Front speakers Sony GTF 1025B=1400, Rear speaker Sony GTF1625B=2250, Antenna=250, Installation=500, Total=13050. If instead of 470S I used the BT3600 (USB+BT) it would be 10000 instead of 7800 and the Total would be 15250. This info is pre team bhp. Now I need to talk to EVO and work out the cost. I want a good system and so can look at a higher budget. Regards, Ravi.
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10th October 2008, 18:17	#18
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Chetans, You probably need to check out every shop in JC road to find out. Frankly I have no idea. Why are you looking at 2 DIN units. To the best of my knowledge the Wagon R provision is for single DIN. Gurus may please confirm. I would not look at Chinese HU at this point of time. Why take a risk if you don't need to? Ravi.
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13th October 2008, 12:26	#20
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Chetans, I visited Satya at EVO on Saturday. Here are the inputs. The rear speaker can go into the quarter glass enclosure at the back. This currently is serving no purpose and so is a good place. No need to make any holes in the upholstery, etc. He had a sample of the fixture and seemed to fit. I like the position since it does not interfere with the seals or luggage space. I think I'll go for it. He suggests the Kenwood BT 7539 U over Pioneer DEH 7050 BT. His price for the Kenwood BT 7539 U is 14500 (with B & W). The Pioneer DEH 7050 BT is about 14000/- (grey). The front speakers can be JBL GT5 402 (1500) or Illusion EC 4.1 (4500). The rear speakers can be 6x9, JBL GT5 963 (3500) or Illusion LCF xor (4700) or 6.5" circular JBL GT5 692 (2700) or Illusion 6.5" (3700). Fitting charges including wooden box in rear will be 2750 and including fiber glass box will be 4550. I am quite happy with wood and so am taking the 2750 option. From this data the options are as follows: 1. Ken+JBL front+JBL 6.5 rear+fitting=21450 2. Ken+JBL front+JBL 6x9 rear+fitting=22250 3.Ken+Ill front+Ill 6.5 rear+fitting=25450 4.Ken+Ill front+Ill 6x9 rear+fitting=26450 These are non-negotiated prices and hence there could be a slight reduction. I need to hear the different set ups to decide if it is worth paying about 4000 for Illusion. Hope this is useful. Ravi.
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13th October 2008, 14:01	#21
chetans BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 239 Thanked: 86 Times	kalravi, have PMed you.
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14th October 2008, 11:39	#24
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Navin, That is a good suggestion. I normally use the rear view mirror looking through the hatch glass or the side mirror to check out on cars in the rear, but I'll try covering the glass and driving around to be sure that my driving will still be safe. The decision on 6x9 vs 6.5" circular will be taken after listening to the music on both. I have a list of 7 songs. Thanx and regards, Ravi.
	() Thanks

14th October 2008, 11:44	#25
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Chetans, In a Wagon R Duo, due to the LPG tank, the stepney is fitted at an angle in the boot. Due to this the speakers in the hatch door have to be fixed on one side. This is not acceptable to me. Also if the speaker is mounted lower down the audio will hit the rear seat, which again is not acceptable. Regards, Ravi.
	() Thanks

14th October 2008, 13:02	#26
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Chetans, Re your PM. Cost: The HU has gone up from 7800 (Sony 470S) to 14500 (Kenwood BT7539U). USB with BT tend to cost abt 13000 and so 14500 for Kenwood with B&W seems okay. Further the Kenwood BT7539U seems to be 2008 model which is good. JBL speaker prices are comparable to others. I had got prices for JBL CS2104 @ 1800 and JBL GT5 502 @ 2800 which compare well with GT5 402 @ 1500 and GT5 692 @ 2700. The Illusion is a premium speaker and hence is high priced and I need to listen to it to decide if it is worth it. The normal fitting charges are about 1000, which includes antennae, speaker cabinets and labour. Satya's charges of 2750 are rather high and I need to find out why. The set up does not have tweeters. Satya said the Illusion speaker does not require tweeters. I do no know if the JBL will require one. If so it will add 1000 to the cost. The rear quarter glass is recessed and so the speaker can be fited with a minumum projection. There will be some sponge material to protect the glass. Fitting will most probably be with a couple of small screw holes into the body. I plan to use velcro to give it more stability. I had visited a few shops earlier and all of them were giving me either a tray option (completely blocking my boot space) or 2 speakers on one side in the hatch door (which looked quite terrible). Only Satya has done the fitting on the quarter glass. So trying other installers does not make sense. Navin's issue of blind spot needs to be checked out. I will cover it with some cardboard and try for a few days. Regards, Ravi.
	() Thanks

14th October 2008, 14:21	#28
sandeep3in BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 215 Thanked: 121 Times	There is Sachins Auto shop in Koramangla , Couple of my friends has done the install there and they are very happy , For the address just search team bhp or google with Sachins Autoshop kormanagla , This guy seems to be pretty knowledgeable in sounds , he also does *** in case you land up in any problem .
	() Thanks

14th October 2008, 21:17	#29
sandeep3in BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 215 Thanked: 121 Times	Sorry for the Typo above , what i wanted to mention was the A.S.S(After sales and Service).I just forgot the dots and it meant something else
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15th October 2008, 10:40	#30
kalravi Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Times	Dear Navin, I checked out your advise: "The quarter glass does serve a purpose. It is where your blind spot is. If you cover that spot with a speaker you might find that there is a car in your blind sport that you cant see. Drive the car with that glass area covered for a few days to see if you are comfortable with that." The right rear quarter glass is totally useless. You cannot see it at all. The left quarter glass is useful when you are reversing and want to see the left clearance, especially if you are reversing out of a garage and want to turn left immediately after the garage wall / door. Looking through the rear view mirror while driving, I was not able to see anything through the quarter glass. Still I'll put some cardboard and cover both quarter glass and check it out. Regards, Ravi.
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