Speakers: Components vs Coaxials

navin · 19th July 2007, 11:57

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Originally Posted by PatienceWins

Hi,

I planning to put component speakers in the front with amp.
Is it alright if I move the front speakers to the rear doors?
I have co axials at the rear, behind the seats?

Sure. BTW which car is this?

PatienceWins · 20th July 2007, 00:11

Thanks Navin. The car is hyundai getz prime 1.3.

filcord · 2nd August 2007, 18:29

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I get no categorical opinion.

In my Baleno, I have JBL GTO 637 6-inch coaxial in the rear, and the stock speakers in front driven by a Pioneer 4750 HU. I wanted to have JBL components in front, but the dealer tells me I will then need an amplifier to drive them. I am not inclined for the extra expense.
He suggests I move the 637 to the front and put GTO 937 ovals in the rear. Gurus, need some light on this please.

hydrashok · 2nd August 2007, 19:13

@filcord, an amp is not exactly a necessity for components (for eg. the GTO507s or 607s or the CS2165c). The HU will drive them reasonably well, if you do not listen to them at high volumes. But they will sound a lot better (at low & high volumes) when you amp them.

If you don't plan to get an amp at all, get the JBL CS2165c (6.5" 2-way comps). I think they will take the lower power of the HU better than the GTOs. The GTOs will sound better if you plan to amp the comps later.

shajufx · 28th August 2007, 20:54

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Originally Posted by gautamballal

if u r on a budget get components for the front cheap but good components
would be boston (around 5000 ) slightly higer budget u would get rockford fosgate , focus , jbl and so on would suggest u go in for components for the front and decent Coaxial speakers at the back accoding to your budget

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Hi Gautam,

Interesting advice, but who to? If you're answering the first post in this thread, he asked that question a little over 2 years ago.
Since then he's moderated 12020 posts, got married, got 980 new white hair and is now my good friend.

This is the most humorous and really enjoyable post I ever read in TBHP. Thanks to Sam's brain for making me laugh like a small baby.

navin · 29th August 2007, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by filcord

In my Baleno, I have JBL GTO 637 6-inch coaxial in the rear, and the stock speakers in front driven by a Pioneer 4750 HU. I wanted to have JBL components in front, but the dealer tells me I will then need an amplifier to drive them. I am not inclined for the extra expense.
He suggests I move the 637 to the front and put GTO 937 ovals in the rear. Gurus, need some light on this please.

1. components do not make an amp mandatory.
2. using 937 (on a MDF tray) give you more bass. components in the front will improve the front soundstage. pick your poison (or if you are willing to bite the bullet and trade in the 637s get the 607 in the front and 937 n a MDF tray in teh rear).

filcord · 30th August 2007, 14:15

Thanks guys, finally I put the GTO 637 in front, GTO 937 in the rear shelf (had to cut the metal shelf, but they did a neat job). I have amped them with a JBL CS60.4. The sound is so much sweeter, fuller and clearer than before, I use every excuse to drive just so I can listen.

saurabh159 · 30th August 2007, 14:20

Hi,
I am looking 4" Coaxial speakers for my Alto. Which one is better JBL GTO 427 or JBL CS2104 ?
I am confused !!
The dealer is saying is GTO 427 is better.
Please help !

hydrashok · 30th August 2007, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by filcord

Thanks guys, finally I put the GTO 637 in front, GTO 937 in the rear shelf (had to cut the metal shelf, but they did a neat job). I have amped them with a JBL CS60.4. The sound is so much sweeter, fuller and clearer than before, I use every excuse to drive just so I can listen.

Congrats, Buddy!

Enjoy!

mithun · 30th August 2007, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by saurabh159

Hi,
I am looking 4" Coaxial speakers for my Alto. Which one is better JBL GTO 427 or JBL CS2104 ?
I am confused !!
The dealer is saying is GTO 427 is better.
Please help !

GTO is better as far as music quality is concerned but it's a bit costly when compared to CS !

adityamunshi · 4th October 2007, 14:24

In case of component speakers, how is the SQ affected by an increase in size ? The concerned speakers are GTO507 and 607s. They'll be driven off the HU, thought i might add an amp later on...

nura · 4th October 2007, 23:25

I guess, the greater the diameter of the driver's cone, the more air it can move. The 607 should theoretically produce more bass than the 507.

navin · 5th October 2007, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by nura

I guess, the greater the diameter of the driver's cone, the more air it can move. The 607 should theoretically produce more bass than the 507.

good generalization only that some small woofers (10-12") can move more air than larger woofers (15-18"). also please remeber in music movement of air is only one factor to consider.

greenhorn · 22nd February 2016, 14:24

I was looking to upgrade my hertz 5.25 inch comps to 6.5 inch. The 6.5 inch comps cost 70% more than the coax, and I was just looking to upgrade the woofer.

Comparing the specs of the dieci series coax & comps, the TS parameters are pretty much the same, and only difference for the woofer is minor - probably because of the abscence of the dust cap.

The crossover is the only major difference - the coaxes have a capacitor in series, while the comps have a proper 2nd order crossover, and consequently, slightly better higher power handling

My guess is that the price difference is due to
1 better crossover
2 more mounting hardware
3 higher margins due to relatively lower demand.

If you want a comp on the cheap, all you need to do is disconnect the tweeter from the coax and mount it on your a pillar :/

20th July 2007, 00:11	#137
PatienceWins Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,416 Thanked: 807 Times View My Garage	Thanks Navin. The car is hyundai getz prime 1.3.
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2nd August 2007, 18:29	#138
filcord BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: goa Posts: 996 Thanked: 67 Times	Sorry if this has been asked before, but I get no categorical opinion. In my Baleno, I have JBL GTO 637 6-inch coaxial in the rear, and the stock speakers in front driven by a Pioneer 4750 HU. I wanted to have JBL components in front, but the dealer tells me I will then need an amplifier to drive them. I am not inclined for the extra expense. He suggests I move the 637 to the front and put GTO 937 ovals in the rear. Gurus, need some light on this please.
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2nd August 2007, 19:13	#139
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	@filcord, an amp is not exactly a necessity for components (for eg. the GTO507s or 607s or the CS2165c). The HU will drive them reasonably well, if you do not listen to them at high volumes. But they will sound a lot better (at low & high volumes) when you amp them. If you don't plan to get an amp at all, get the JBL CS2165c (6.5" 2-way comps). I think they will take the lower power of the HU better than the GTOs. The GTOs will sound better if you plan to amp the comps later. Last edited by hydrashok : 2nd August 2007 at 19:15.
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30th August 2007, 14:15	#142
filcord BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: goa Posts: 996 Thanked: 67 Times	Thanks guys, finally I put the GTO 637 in front, GTO 937 in the rear shelf (had to cut the metal shelf, but they did a neat job). I have amped them with a JBL CS60.4. The sound is so much sweeter, fuller and clearer than before, I use every excuse to drive just so I can listen.
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30th August 2007, 14:20	#143
saurabh159 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 94 Thanked: 10 Times	Hi, I am looking 4" Coaxial speakers for my Alto. Which one is better JBL GTO 427 or JBL CS2104 ? I am confused !! The dealer is saying is GTO 427 is better. Please help !
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4th October 2007, 14:24	#146
adityamunshi BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Baroda Posts: 771 Thanked: 6 Times	In case of component speakers, how is the SQ affected by an increase in size ? The concerned speakers are GTO507 and 607s. They'll be driven off the HU, thought i might add an amp later on...
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4th October 2007, 23:25	#147
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 599 Thanked: 17 Times	I guess, the greater the diameter of the driver's cone, the more air it can move. The 607 should theoretically produce more bass than the 507.
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22nd February 2016, 14:24	#149
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,744 Thanked: 4,387 Times View My Garage	Re: Speakers: Components vs Coaxials I was looking to upgrade my hertz 5.25 inch comps to 6.5 inch. The 6.5 inch comps cost 70% more than the coax, and I was just looking to upgrade the woofer. Comparing the specs of the dieci series coax & comps, the TS parameters are pretty much the same, and only difference for the woofer is minor - probably because of the abscence of the dust cap. The crossover is the only major difference - the coaxes have a capacitor in series, while the comps have a proper 2nd order crossover, and consequently, slightly better higher power handling My guess is that the price difference is due to 1 better crossover 2 more mounting hardware 3 higher margins due to relatively lower demand. If you want a comp on the cheap, all you need to do is disconnect the tweeter from the coax and mount it on your a pillar :/
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