Where to ICE a Punto in Pune?

abhibh · 22nd August 2009, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson

@abhibh, abhinav.gupta88
Why do you feel the FOCAL / VIBE are fake? Are you saying the quoted prices are too less?

Focal seems to be fake as they retails for $1500 USD in US so no way they can be for 17K here. Vibe seems to be perfectly priced.

Crimson · 23rd August 2009, 12:03

OK. So i'm gonna steer away from the FOCAL's.

About the VIBE's. Has anyone used them? Are they worth being practically double the price of the JBL Power Series? Are they that good?

As of now I have narrowed it down to:

Front:
JBL Power Series P660C @~8000 (@DjNik: is this the same as 6560c?)
The Link: JBL Car & Marine Audio
Other Options that fall in the same price bracket are Ground Zero 165T and llusion Audio Electra EL6.1.
The VIBE Black Air 6 Components are practically double the price at 15k so I guess they are out.

Rear:
JBL Power Series P963 @9000-10000 (the price is what i found on google)
The Link: JBL Car & Marine Audio
Since I wont be going for a SUB, would this provide descent enough low end? I'm not really looking for thump thump but I like the deep low end base.

Amp: (Which one would be better for "No HISS")
GZ 4100HP @~11600 (Has Line Level Inputs)
vs
JBL 1004 @~9000 (Will need Line Level Converters additional)

Ideally I would like to stay < 25K but I don't see that happening. Need to now choose out of the 2 Amps and 3 Front components mentioned above. I have tried both Poona motors and Bafna but could not find a similar setup to audition. I did like the VIBE Black Air 6 Components at Bafna but unfortunately if I go with them then the total shoots up too much.

DjNik · 23rd August 2009, 12:25

Looks the same to me- India JBL
The 1004 is a very good amp and I can vouch for that but as you require line-in inputs and the GZ has them it would be a better option for you to go for the GZ rather than using line level convertors.Yes the P963 are even pretty decent speakers.You should even look at Infinity Ref 9633i /GZ Rf 69x.

Crimson · 23rd August 2009, 12:37

Whats the difference between:

Infinity Ref9633i
Infinity Kappa693.9i
JBL P963

Are they in the same price range?

DjNik · 23rd August 2009, 12:40

Infinity Ref should be abt 7K.
Power Series would be about 10k
Infinity Kappa is certainly much more expensive abt 15k maybe.

Crimson · 23rd August 2009, 12:42

And what about the difference in the sound characteristics? Sorry if im asking stupid questions but im really lost here. There are SO many choices!!!!

Another Option that I have been really toying with and going with a Good 4 Channel Amp and just the VIBE QB69 as the rear stage. Then after a month or 2 get a descent front stage. I have not got any reviews on the VIBE speakers. Has anyone used them?

VIBE - BlackDeath QB69 Speaker

DjNik · 23rd August 2009, 13:12

The Vibe specs look pretty good but dont know anyone who has used them.Are they available with B&W?

Crimson · 23rd August 2009, 13:16

Just found a review.
Talk Audio - Vibe QB69

After reading this, they seem more to be bass thumpers more than super SQ speakers.. hmm..

Yes, they are with B & W

BTW: Just confirmed with BAFNA about the FOCALS again. Its 165 K2P. When i asked him how come its so much cheaper than whats mentioned online. (395 Pounds!) He confirmed that the MRP is 32000 but he is offering them at 17K + VAT. I dont understand how he could do that. And its with B & W!

DjNik · 23rd August 2009, 13:28

Now if you could try and get a audition of the stuff and the decide it would become easy for you.

tush · 23rd August 2009, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson

Amp: (Which one would be better for "No HISS")
GZ 4100HP @~11600 (Has Line Level Inputs)
vs
JBL 1004 @~9000 (Will need Line Level Converters additional)

Even I was looking for JBL 1004. But when contacted Sound Factor who is JBL Franchise, they confirmed that this model is discontinued.

And I didnt understand what is this "Line Level Converters". Can some one please explain me ?

DjNik · 23rd August 2009, 16:18

AFAIK 1004 is still very much available.Could somebody confirm this?
A lot of HU's do not have RCA pre-outs so a line level converter converts the speaker outs to RCA outs and thus amps can be connected.
It looks like this-

abhibh · 23rd August 2009, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjNik

AFAIK 1004 is still very much available.Could somebody confirm this?
A lot of HU's do not have RCA pre-outs so a line level converter converts the speaker outs to RCA outs and thus amps can be connected.
It looks like this-

1004 is still available.

These line level converter are of no use, at least the ones i have used. SQ goes for a toss.

tush · 23rd August 2009, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhibh

1004 is still available.

These must be existing stocks at some dealers. In Pune wherever i inquired, no one has one. Seems fresh stock has been stopped from JBL itself is what I understand from this.

Also came to know from a source that its discontinued because of some hissing complaints not just from India but various other countries where its shipped.

Quote:

These line level converter are of no use, at least the ones i have used. SQ goes for a toss.

It could set the SQ for a toss as again the clean signal from AMP has to go through the converter. Which if not of high quality can definitely ruin the SQ.

DerAlte · 23rd August 2009, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhibh

... These line level converter are of no use, at least the ones i have used. SQ goes for a toss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tush

... It could set the SQ for a toss as again the clean signal from AMP has to go through the converter. Which if not of high quality can definitely ruin the SQ.

The line output converters are simple, passive (resistance-based) impedance matching / voltage level conversion devices, and do not degrade sound quality at all. They don't add anything to the signal from the HU amp, so how will they degrade the signal quality?

Like anything else, if they are used without knowing how to use them and how to tune the system, nothing good can be expected out of them.

abhinav.gupta88 · 23rd August 2009, 23:34

Are you planning to cut the tray considering you are contemplating on 6x9.

23rd August 2009, 12:03	#17
Crimson BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 224 Thanked: 0 Times	OK. So i'm gonna steer away from the FOCAL's. About the VIBE's. Has anyone used them? Are they worth being practically double the price of the JBL Power Series? Are they that good? As of now I have narrowed it down to: Front: JBL Power Series P660C @~8000 (@DjNik: is this the same as 6560c?) The Link: JBL Car & Marine Audio Other Options that fall in the same price bracket are Ground Zero 165T and llusion Audio Electra EL6.1. The VIBE Black Air 6 Components are practically double the price at 15k so I guess they are out. Rear: JBL Power Series P963 @9000-10000 (the price is what i found on google) The Link: JBL Car & Marine Audio Since I wont be going for a SUB, would this provide descent enough low end? I'm not really looking for thump thump but I like the deep low end base. Amp: (Which one would be better for "No HISS") GZ 4100HP @~11600 (Has Line Level Inputs) vs JBL 1004 @~9000 (Will need Line Level Converters additional) Ideally I would like to stay < 25K but I don't see that happening. Need to now choose out of the 2 Amps and 3 Front components mentioned above. I have tried both Poona motors and Bafna but could not find a similar setup to audition. I did like the VIBE Black Air 6 Components at Bafna but unfortunately if I go with them then the total shoots up too much. Last edited by Crimson : 23rd August 2009 at 12:09.
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23rd August 2009, 12:25	#18
DjNik BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 340 Thanked: 3 Times	Looks the same to me- India JBL The 1004 is a very good amp and I can vouch for that but as you require line-in inputs and the GZ has them it would be a better option for you to go for the GZ rather than using line level convertors.Yes the P963 are even pretty decent speakers.You should even look at Infinity Ref 9633i /GZ Rf 69x.
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23rd August 2009, 12:37	#19
Crimson BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 224 Thanked: 0 Times	Whats the difference between: Infinity Ref9633i Infinity Kappa693.9i JBL P963 Are they in the same price range?
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23rd August 2009, 12:40	#20
DjNik BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 340 Thanked: 3 Times	Infinity Ref should be abt 7K. Power Series would be about 10k Infinity Kappa is certainly much more expensive abt 15k maybe.
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23rd August 2009, 12:42	#21
Crimson BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 224 Thanked: 0 Times	And what about the difference in the sound characteristics? Sorry if im asking stupid questions but im really lost here. There are SO many choices!!!! Another Option that I have been really toying with and going with a Good 4 Channel Amp and just the VIBE QB69 as the rear stage. Then after a month or 2 get a descent front stage. I have not got any reviews on the VIBE speakers. Has anyone used them? VIBE - BlackDeath QB69 Speaker Last edited by Crimson : 23rd August 2009 at 12:58.
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23rd August 2009, 13:12	#22
DjNik BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 340 Thanked: 3 Times	The Vibe specs look pretty good but dont know anyone who has used them.Are they available with B&W?
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23rd August 2009, 13:16	#23
Crimson BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 224 Thanked: 0 Times	Just found a review. Talk Audio - Vibe QB69 After reading this, they seem more to be bass thumpers more than super SQ speakers.. hmm.. Yes, they are with B & W BTW: Just confirmed with BAFNA about the FOCALS again. Its 165 K2P. When i asked him how come its so much cheaper than whats mentioned online. (395 Pounds!) He confirmed that the MRP is 32000 but he is offering them at 17K + VAT. I dont understand how he could do that. And its with B & W! Last edited by Crimson : 23rd August 2009 at 13:35.
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23rd August 2009, 13:28	#24
DjNik BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 340 Thanked: 3 Times	Now if you could try and get a audition of the stuff and the decide it would become easy for you. Last edited by DjNik : 23rd August 2009 at 13:33.
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23rd August 2009, 16:18	#26
DjNik BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 340 Thanked: 3 Times	AFAIK 1004 is still very much available.Could somebody confirm this? A lot of HU's do not have RCA pre-outs so a line level converter converts the speaker outs to RCA outs and thus amps can be connected. It looks like this- Attached Thumbnails
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23rd August 2009, 23:34	#30
abhinav.gupta88 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delhi , India Posts: 4,092 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Are you planning to cut the tray considering you are contemplating on 6x9.
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