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Originally Posted by navin DocG the premium you might pay might be of the order of 50-400%. The one and only reason I do not disuade people from using good branded power cable a la JBL, Kicker, etc... is that atlesat they will get good stuff that is freeely available and they dont have to go looking all over the market.
I use a power cable called Polycab. It is just as good as any branded cable there is and a whole lot cheaper (due my affiliations my cost is 0). For someone like me (working in the engineering industry) this cable is freely available. For my lawyer, doctor, charter accountant friends it is not; so for these guys recomending a branded cable kit from JBL or Kicker or any good brand is the best solution.
This is very similar to RCA cable. For my friends I recommend Monster. Monster is overpriced but atleast I know they wont use BOSS or some other cheaper cables that might allow engine whine to creep into the system. For myself I use Belden custom rolled by my BIL (sister's hubby) in Singapore. The Old Man (Rudra-da) has a older set of these cables and he loves them. Can the general public get hold of them, no. So for the General public using Monster is a very good option. For TBHPians Belden might be an option too - I think LBM uses Supra or Sommer (other brands that are only available via specialist shops).
In short being a TBHPian you get access to the knowledge and experience of many who are passionate (in some cases like LBM just plain insane) about audio. It would be a shame to not utillise this rare and valuable resource.
By using Kicker instead of Finolex you are maybe spending 100% more for the same quality of cable. Is this bad, not nesscarily. If you can't get Finolex easily Kicker is a good bet. If however you can get Finolex why not use the money saved on upgrading the XO's caps to Polyester/Polystyrene? |
Sir I highly respect your opinion, and I agree that there are a lot of other exotic brands out there which might even cost more or be better, would never argue with that. However what I think is that use something good as the minimum reference, whatever there is which is better is a step above.
I don't understand one thing though. OK power wire made for industrial use is just as good as car audio branded power wire. I currently have no data to sway the argument either way.
But could someone please explain to me why when it comes to RCAs or speaker cables why all the gurus point the other way? It's really confusing. There must be some reason to this. Please don't mention construction quality or purpose build/engineering, because these reasons have been used to sway the debate in favour of Polycab, Havells etc.
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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker Very true Navin Ji this is my motive. But since no one is interested no need to bang you head on the wall. If you have money to spend go the branded car audio way. If you want to save a bit then go the finolex way or I would say a smart way.
DocG I would really want you to check the comparisons. I would bet that you will find the differnce the other way round. Then I will ask you which is a smart thing to do, that it is better to pay a premium from a 5-10% less perfroming product than a 5-8 times cheaper alternative. |
Sir I have nothing against Finolex or L&T or Havells or Polycab. Heck if I did my father wouldn't make as much money, considering all of the above are existing and very old customers for the industry to which he belongs.
The thing that I believe in is purpose build, and that alone. I have already been down to IIT Mumbai and had a sit down with some professors there, hopefully I will have all the information I need (like equations, theorems, laws etc) by the weekend. There on I will proceed with the tests under their guidence. Hopefully I will get some conclusive data.
At the same time don't misunderstand my argument. I never said that the industrial wire has less copper, or isn't as good in terms of conductivity. That will be tested, however I want to focus more on the environmental effects on the wire, like will the coating harden then crack/crumble, what is the strength of the electromagnetic field generated by the wire, how well does the wire as a whole last temperatures in excess of 150 deg C? Mechanical stress and it's effects on the wire etc.
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Originally Posted by greenh0rn So you remain an ardent Kicker backer (nice phrase) just on the basis of your belief, without any scientific evidence to back it (and also when there is enough of contrarian evidence provided by DerAlte and LBM?)
There are designer ladies bags that cost Rs. 2000, 3000. Then there are Hermes and Louis Vuitton bags that cost in lakhs, sometimes tens of lakhs. Why do some ladies spend so much on Hermes then? If they are old-gen rich then just to pamper themselves, or in most cases (especially India) to show off their status in society gatherings.
Again, no offense meant, but pampering really knows no limits! |
My point is about setting a reference point. Anything above is an added bonus, but what should be the minimum?
It's like how everyone hits on Sony. Do they make a poor product? I don't think so. Why then are they hated so much?
Perhaps it's not the right product for you, perhaps your prejudice is baseless, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they have millions of happy customers, a majority of which are loyal!