Hertz Dieci Speakers

gunbir · 19th September 2005, 18:35

Navinji, this is where you've got us all wrong. Unlike the rest, we are music lovers first, audiophiles second, and installers last. We live in the KISS world and all our installs reflect that. Personally, I havent used an external EQ / DSP for almost 10 years now...

Even now, though my HU has a very flexible 5band parametric EQ, it is disabled... I run my system active 3 way.

HU> 4 Ch Amp > 2 Ch - Tweeters XO 3.15KHz + 2 Ch - Midbass XO 80Hz ~ 3.15KHz
HU> 2 Ch Amp > Bridged Mono - Sub XO 80Hz

I run my HU flat, the amps run flat too, there is no bass boost.

The Image Dynamics speakers and sub are fantastic and almost all listeners cant believe there is only a single pair of components in the front.

navin · 19th September 2005, 23:37

Very nice set up dude. I am sure ID are fantastic. I have not heard them yet. you got a bandpass on the midbass?

gunbir · 20th September 2005, 00:11

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Originally Posted by navin

Very nice set up dude. I am sure ID are fantastic. I have not heard them yet. you got a bandpass on the midbass?

You should hear them. In fact you will soon... yes they are bandpassed , like I said its active 3-way. The midbass is awesome...

I had the Alpine X type... modified / rebranded Vifa XT setup earlier, that was active too. They were ok, went low but weak in the midrange section. Cant hold a candle to the ID Chameleons.

to describe the ID Chameleons... The term "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" comes to mind.

navin · 21st September 2005, 10:40

BTW I never liked the Vifa XT tweeter.

Autophile · 21st September 2005, 11:12

Navin, there was not integration between the tweeter and midbass. Though the speakers were not able to come anywhere closer to the ID's but they were the best available in India at that price and killed everything in alpine range and fellow companies.

The newer one with so called ring radiator tweeter is even worse.

navin · 21st September 2005, 11:21

agree. i hate that ring radiator. sounds un-natural.

Autophile · 21st September 2005, 11:31

Thats because the one on the alpine is a cheap immitation of original ring radiator tweeter.

The ring radiator tweeter is not that bad. Its quite nice...I have heard them on Krell LAT's, Sonusfaber Amati's and Audiophysic's.

Though my favorite is Dynaudio Esotar. Heard them long back on Eggleston Andra's...

navin · 21st September 2005, 11:56

The Esotar is excellent. For the money the 9900 from ScanSpeak is not bad. The Model Supreme 110 is also very good. then come the MDT33 and Esotec (D260) etc...of the great tweeters of alltime were the Heil AMTs they had very low resonance and i think most people abused them by using them in 2 ways with 10" woofers XOed at 1k.

navin · 21st September 2005, 11:57

did you ever get the chance to use Skanning drivers?

Autophile · 21st September 2005, 12:07

Are these the ones by Audiotechnology...No i have not come across these...would love to use them

navin · 21st September 2005, 12:14

I thikn Ekjard Skanning makes them himself. The 6" cost about $600 each retail.

Autophile · 21st September 2005, 12:18

I guess its the same audiotechnology ones....www.audiotechnology.dk

navin · 21st September 2005, 12:36

yup that was it. i oly heard about it from ES over the phone. I must have got his accent wrong.

Autophile · 21st September 2005, 12:40

Have you used them. I would love to try them in car.

navin · 21st September 2005, 12:41

he called them "C-Quenze" I heard "Sequence". After googling Sequence and not finding anything I figured ES had finally started halucinating and gave up. how expensive are they? about $100 per inch in dia?

19th September 2005, 18:35	#31
gunbir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,465 Thanked: 32 Times	Navinji, this is where you've got us all wrong. Unlike the rest, we are music lovers first, audiophiles second, and installers last. We live in the KISS world and all our installs reflect that. Personally, I havent used an external EQ / DSP for almost 10 years now... Even now, though my HU has a very flexible 5band parametric EQ, it is disabled... I run my system active 3 way. HU> 4 Ch Amp > 2 Ch - Tweeters XO 3.15KHz + 2 Ch - Midbass XO 80Hz ~ 3.15KHz HU> 2 Ch Amp > Bridged Mono - Sub XO 80Hz I run my HU flat, the amps run flat too, there is no bass boost. The Image Dynamics speakers and sub are fantastic and almost all listeners cant believe there is only a single pair of components in the front. Last edited by gunbir : 19th September 2005 at 18:36.
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19th September 2005, 23:37	#32
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	Very nice set up dude. I am sure ID are fantastic. I have not heard them yet. you got a bandpass on the midbass?
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21st September 2005, 10:40	#34
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	BTW I never liked the Vifa XT tweeter.
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21st September 2005, 11:12	#35
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	Navin, there was not integration between the tweeter and midbass. Though the speakers were not able to come anywhere closer to the ID's but they were the best available in India at that price and killed everything in alpine range and fellow companies. The newer one with so called ring radiator tweeter is even worse.
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21st September 2005, 11:21	#36
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	agree. i hate that ring radiator. sounds un-natural.
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21st September 2005, 11:31	#37
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	Thats because the one on the alpine is a cheap immitation of original ring radiator tweeter. The ring radiator tweeter is not that bad. Its quite nice...I have heard them on Krell LAT's, Sonusfaber Amati's and Audiophysic's. Though my favorite is Dynaudio Esotar. Heard them long back on Eggleston Andra's...
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21st September 2005, 11:56	#38
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	The Esotar is excellent. For the money the 9900 from ScanSpeak is not bad. The Model Supreme 110 is also very good. then come the MDT33 and Esotec (D260) etc...of the great tweeters of alltime were the Heil AMTs they had very low resonance and i think most people abused them by using them in 2 ways with 10" woofers XOed at 1k.
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21st September 2005, 11:57	#39
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	did you ever get the chance to use Skanning drivers?
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21st September 2005, 12:07	#40
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	Are these the ones by Audiotechnology...No i have not come across these...would love to use them
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21st September 2005, 12:14	#41
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	I thikn Ekjard Skanning makes them himself. The 6" cost about $600 each retail.
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21st September 2005, 12:18	#42
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	I guess its the same audiotechnology ones....www.audiotechnology.dk
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21st September 2005, 12:36	#43
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	yup that was it. i oly heard about it from ES over the phone. I must have got his accent wrong.
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21st September 2005, 12:40	#44
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	Have you used them. I would love to try them in car.
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21st September 2005, 12:41	#45
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	he called them "C-Quenze" I heard "Sequence". After googling Sequence and not finding anything I figured ES had finally started halucinating and gave up. how expensive are they? about $100 per inch in dia?
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