advice needed: car audio in hyundai accent

amit_baghe · 4th October 2005, 01:47

Aseem ji, here is the spec for Blau GTA 470

Blaupunkt GTA 470
4/3/2-Channel class A/B
RMS Power 4x70 Watts/ 2x200 Watts (4 Ohms)
Frequency response 10 - 26000 Hz
Signal to noise ratio > 90 dBA
Distortion factor < 0.04 %
Input impedance >10 kOhm
Attenuation factor > 100
Input sensitivity 0.3 - 8 V
Stability 2 Ohm (4 Ohm bridged)
Low-pass filter 50 - 250 Hz (12dB/Oktav)
High-pass filter 50 - 250 Hz (12dB/Oktav)
Bass Boost 0 - 12dB at 45 Hz
Inputs 4x RCA gold plated
Outputs 4x loud speakers, gold plated
Dimensions (WxHxD in mm) 290 x 49 x 254

Aseem according to u, i should also consider Pioneer 6100F.
I my be wrong, but as per my findings Blau GTA 470 seems to be a better amp than Pioneer 6100F.
Isnt it?
Please explain

u also relpy on my post #43 in this thread.

mclaren1885 · 4th October 2005, 02:03

here are the specs for the pioneer f6100:
Bridgeable 4-channel capability 4 x 120 W or 2 x 300 W (Max. Power)
Continuous output power: 4 x 60 W or 2 x 150 W (4 Ω) 4 x 75 W (2 Ω)
4 x 80 W or 2 x 230 W (4 Ω) DIN Power (DIN 45324, +B = 14.4 V)
Load impedance capability (2 — 8 Ω)
Variable LPF( -12 dB/Oct): 40 - 120 Hz
High Voltage Input capability (200 mV — 6.5 V)
PWM regulated MOSFET power supply
Input level/gain control
Load impedance capability 2 - 8 Ohm
RCA terminals (input/output)
Speaker Terminals: Screw-type
Power / ground terminals: Large screw-type
LPF 40 - 120Hz (Variable)
HPF 40 - 120Hz (Variable)
High voltage input capability 200 mV - 6.5 V
High performance balanced isolator circuit
Frequency response 10 Hz - 50.000 Hz
Distortion 0,010 %
S/N ratio > 95 dB
High Voltage Input Capability 200 mV - 6.5 V
Max. current consumption (A/4ohms) 35 A
Chassis size (W x H x D) 300 x 60 x 327 mm
Unit weight 4.7 kg

mclaren1885 · 4th October 2005, 02:08

so maybe aseem was telling based on the the RMS values in the pioneer being higher..

amit_baghe · 4th October 2005, 02:26

Mclaren i got Blau spec from blau website.
I dont understand all this technical stuff. As i said, i might be wrong in judging the amps.

But navin, said that check the RMS rating at 4 ohms and not at 2 ohms.
Pioneer f6100 is: Continous Power (4 ohms) 60 x 4
Blau GTA 470 IS: 70 X 4 rms (4 ohms)

Since i would be connection my rear speakers and the subwoofer to the 4 channel amp, i guess i would have to go for a into 4 i.e( 70/60 x 4) type of setup.
Regarding RMS blau seems to be better.

Navin also said, to check the frequency response and the distortion factor. Well i did my job and got the mentiond two spec also. But i am unable to understand and compare these two specs (frequency response and distortion factor) of pionner and blau. As i said, i am still just a kid in car audio!!
Try to help me out by clearing my doubts.
Sorry for troubling guru log!

mclaren1885 · 4th October 2005, 04:01

sorry lol missed that point among all that messy stuff and smilies..ya the rms of the blau seems to be better...but i too had made an enquiry regarding these amps and decided to go in for the alpine mrv-f450 5 channel amp in the end..and among the rest i remember atleast two of the gurus voting for the pioneer over the blaupunkt on overall build quality,performance,and other stuff..blaupunkt seems to give good service whereas the pioneers arent even selling officially..so its ur choice take a pick..if ur still confused read the thread named "statuatory warning : 10 risks to know before u enter this forum " for further details..
PS: sorry guys couldnt keep that one out..

navin · 4th October 2005, 10:15

amit, the Pio is probably the better amp. Dont worry abotu the 10 W difference. Blau offers better service. Pio are not sold with Bill and Warranty but they do have service centers and advertise heavily in India.

This strategy is like tellig indians that "while we appreciate your business we will not warranty our products because we can then make more money on service that should have been under warranty". That said Pios are also quite reliable.

Are you the kind of guy who needs insurance/ assurance? If so get the Blaupunkt. If you like to take a chance (a small chance) get the Pio.

aseem · 4th October 2005, 12:23

Amit an amplifier is not judged going plainly by the RMS figures (just like cars are not judged by top speed). Sony 504 that comes for 3.5 k has comparable RMS to JBL CS 50.4 or Blaupunkt GTA 470, but do you think they will produce the same quality sound? Do you think they will have the same build quality? will they have similar heat sinks? NO!
Similarly, although Blaupunkt amp has more RMS but the build quality of the Pioneer amp, and the sound of the Pioneer amp blows the Blaupunkt away.

amit_baghe · 4th October 2005, 13:31

I am convinced with with aseem and navin.
Thanks,
Ok now the next job for guru log is to tell me which subwofer should i go for with the pionner amp.
Is pioneer 944, better than pioneer 6100F?
The price of pio 944 is about Rs 12500 app.
Remember ii have a budget of 25k, in which i have to buy a HU, subwoofer, and a pionner amp.

So kindly suggest now.
Sorry for popping all the question!!
Jai ho guruji log ki!!!

navin · 4th October 2005, 13:38

25K. get a HU for 12K. spend 5-6K on the sub and 5-6K on the amp. hope you already for the front and rear speakers.

amit_baghe · 4th October 2005, 13:58

yes, i have front and rear speakers.

How is this pionner 1000 W DVC sub?

Suggest me what is better.
1. Pio 6100F with some 5-6k costing sub. (Total: sub +amp = 13k app)
2. Pio 944 with pio (1000W) DVC sub (Rs3500) (Total sub+amp = 15500 app)
3. Or make a good combination of sub + amp costing 15 k at max.

I want to spend 8k to 9k on the HU. 12k for HU seems expensive.

mclaren1885 · 4th October 2005, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_baghe

I want to spend 8k to 9k on the HU. 12k for HU seems expensive.

at that budget u can look at sony 7710 or pioneer 7750..both are good HUs..though id prefer the 7750 over the 7710..

amit_baghe · 4th October 2005, 14:09

thanks mclaren for advice.
i am considering pio 7750.

Also comment.
How is this pionner 1000 W DVC sub?

Suggest me what is better.
1. Pio 6100F with some 5-6k costing sub. (Total: sub +amp = 13k app)
2. Pio 944 with pio (1000W) DVC sub (Rs3500) (Total sub+amp = 15500 app)
3. Or make a good combination of sub + amp costing 15 k at max.

aseem · 4th October 2005, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_baghe

thanks mclaren for advice.
i am considering pio 7750.

Also comment.
How is this pionner 1000 W DVC sub?

Suggest me what is better.
1. Pio 6100F with some 5-6k costing sub. (Total: sub +amp = 13k app)
2. Pio 944 with pio (1000W) DVC sub (Rs3500) (Total sub+amp = 15500 app)
3. Or make a good combination of sub + amp costing 15 k at max.

If you are refering to Pioneer 306 DVC, than please refrain from it. The pioneer Dual Voice Coil sub is stable at 8 ohms, so you need an amp with greater power to drive it. Since Pioneer 6100F is giving only 150 Watts in bridged, you wont be able to drive the Pioneer 306DVC. You will be better of with going with a single voice coil subwoofer.
The Pioneer 6100F is for 7k. So that leaves you the rest of the money in your budget to get a good box, wires, and sub!

navin · 4th October 2005, 16:29

amit, Use the Pio 6100 with say the JBL 1200B or 1200T sub. ask the pros for the prices. i cant remember them at all.

Sam Kapasi · 4th October 2005, 16:31

1200B (box) is 8990/- 1200T is 6500/-

4th October 2005, 01:47	#46
amit_baghe BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	Aseem ji, here is the spec for Blau GTA 470 Blaupunkt GTA 470 4/3/2-Channel class A/B RMS Power 4x70 Watts/ 2x200 Watts (4 Ohms) Frequency response 10 - 26000 Hz Signal to noise ratio > 90 dBA Distortion factor < 0.04 % Input impedance >10 kOhm Attenuation factor > 100 Input sensitivity 0.3 - 8 V Stability 2 Ohm (4 Ohm bridged) Low-pass filter 50 - 250 Hz (12dB/Oktav) High-pass filter 50 - 250 Hz (12dB/Oktav) Bass Boost 0 - 12dB at 45 Hz Inputs 4x RCA gold plated Outputs 4x loud speakers, gold plated Dimensions (WxHxD in mm) 290 x 49 x 254 Aseem according to u, i should also consider Pioneer 6100F. I my be wrong, but as per my findings Blau GTA 470 seems to be a better amp than Pioneer 6100F. Isnt it? Please explain u also relpy on my post #43 in this thread.
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4th October 2005, 02:03	#47
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	here are the specs for the pioneer f6100: Bridgeable 4-channel capability 4 x 120 W or 2 x 300 W (Max. Power) Continuous output power: 4 x 60 W or 2 x 150 W (4 Ω) 4 x 75 W (2 Ω) 4 x 80 W or 2 x 230 W (4 Ω) DIN Power (DIN 45324, +B = 14.4 V) Load impedance capability (2 — 8 Ω) Variable LPF( -12 dB/Oct): 40 - 120 Hz High Voltage Input capability (200 mV — 6.5 V) PWM regulated MOSFET power supply Input level/gain control Load impedance capability 2 - 8 Ohm RCA terminals (input/output) Speaker Terminals: Screw-type Power / ground terminals: Large screw-type LPF 40 - 120Hz (Variable) HPF 40 - 120Hz (Variable) High voltage input capability 200 mV - 6.5 V High performance balanced isolator circuit Frequency response 10 Hz - 50.000 Hz Distortion 0,010 % S/N ratio > 95 dB High Voltage Input Capability 200 mV - 6.5 V Max. current consumption (A/4ohms) 35 A Chassis size (W x H x D) 300 x 60 x 327 mm Unit weight 4.7 kg
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4th October 2005, 02:08	#48
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	so maybe aseem was telling based on the the RMS values in the pioneer being higher..
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4th October 2005, 02:26	#49
amit_baghe BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	Mclaren i got Blau spec from blau website. I dont understand all this technical stuff. As i said, i might be wrong in judging the amps. But navin, said that check the RMS rating at 4 ohms and not at 2 ohms. Pioneer f6100 is: Continous Power (4 ohms) 60 x 4 Blau GTA 470 IS: 70 X 4 rms (4 ohms) Since i would be connection my rear speakers and the subwoofer to the 4 channel amp, i guess i would have to go for a into 4 i.e( 70/60 x 4) type of setup. Regarding RMS blau seems to be better. Navin also said, to check the frequency response and the distortion factor. Well i did my job and got the mentiond two spec also. But i am unable to understand and compare these two specs (frequency response and distortion factor) of pionner and blau. As i said, i am still just a kid in car audio!! Try to help me out by clearing my doubts. Sorry for troubling guru log!
	() Thanks

4th October 2005, 04:01	#50
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	sorry lol missed that point among all that messy stuff and smilies..ya the rms of the blau seems to be better...but i too had made an enquiry regarding these amps and decided to go in for the alpine mrv-f450 5 channel amp in the end..and among the rest i remember atleast two of the gurus voting for the pioneer over the blaupunkt on overall build quality,performance,and other stuff..blaupunkt seems to give good service whereas the pioneers arent even selling officially..so its ur choice take a pick..if ur still confused read the thread named "statuatory warning : 10 risks to know before u enter this forum " for further details.. PS: sorry guys couldnt keep that one out..
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4th October 2005, 10:15	#51
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,187 Thanked: 9,277 Times	amit, the Pio is probably the better amp. Dont worry abotu the 10 W difference. Blau offers better service. Pio are not sold with Bill and Warranty but they do have service centers and advertise heavily in India. This strategy is like tellig indians that "while we appreciate your business we will not warranty our products because we can then make more money on service that should have been under warranty". That said Pios are also quite reliable. Are you the kind of guy who needs insurance/ assurance? If so get the Blaupunkt. If you like to take a chance (a small chance) get the Pio.
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4th October 2005, 12:23	#52
aseem Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,730 Thanked: 441 Times	Amit an amplifier is not judged going plainly by the RMS figures (just like cars are not judged by top speed). Sony 504 that comes for 3.5 k has comparable RMS to JBL CS 50.4 or Blaupunkt GTA 470, but do you think they will produce the same quality sound? Do you think they will have the same build quality? will they have similar heat sinks? NO! Similarly, although Blaupunkt amp has more RMS but the build quality of the Pioneer amp, and the sound of the Pioneer amp blows the Blaupunkt away.
	() Thanks

4th October 2005, 13:31	#53
amit_baghe BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	I am convinced with with aseem and navin. Thanks, Ok now the next job for guru log is to tell me which subwofer should i go for with the pionner amp. Is pioneer 944, better than pioneer 6100F? The price of pio 944 is about Rs 12500 app. Remember ii have a budget of 25k, in which i have to buy a HU, subwoofer, and a pionner amp. So kindly suggest now. Sorry for popping all the question!! Jai ho guruji log ki!!!
	() Thanks

4th October 2005, 13:38	#54
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,187 Thanked: 9,277 Times	25K. get a HU for 12K. spend 5-6K on the sub and 5-6K on the amp. hope you already for the front and rear speakers.
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4th October 2005, 13:58	#55
amit_baghe BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	yes, i have front and rear speakers. How is this pionner 1000 W DVC sub? Suggest me what is better. 1. Pio 6100F with some 5-6k costing sub. (Total: sub +amp = 13k app) 2. Pio 944 with pio (1000W) DVC sub (Rs3500) (Total sub+amp = 15500 app) 3. Or make a good combination of sub + amp costing 15 k at max. I want to spend 8k to 9k on the HU. 12k for HU seems expensive.
	() Thanks

4th October 2005, 14:09	#57
amit_baghe BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	thanks mclaren for advice. i am considering pio 7750. Also comment. How is this pionner 1000 W DVC sub? Suggest me what is better. 1. Pio 6100F with some 5-6k costing sub. (Total: sub +amp = 13k app) 2. Pio 944 with pio (1000W) DVC sub (Rs3500) (Total sub+amp = 15500 app) 3. Or make a good combination of sub + amp costing 15 k at max.
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4th October 2005, 16:29	#59
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,187 Thanked: 9,277 Times	amit, Use the Pio 6100 with say the JBL 1200B or 1200T sub. ask the pros for the prices. i cant remember them at all.
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4th October 2005, 16:31	#60
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	1200B (box) is 8990/- 1200T is 6500/-
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