[GTO]

*Update*

Original situation : 2 DLS speaker amps + VSL sub woofer amp = Dipping

Trial 1 : 2 DLS speaker amps (VSL disconnected) = Still dipping

Trial 2 : 1 DLS speaker amp + VSL sub amp + 1 Steg speaker amp = NO Dipping

Once it was confirmed that the DLS couldn't run off the Civic's erratic power supply (either because they were resource hogs, or needed clean voltage), we decided to replace them with more efficient amps.

Final decision: Replaced both DLS speaker amps with two Steg Competition series K2-01. It's been a week of driving in all conditions : Bumper to bumper in the morning, bumper to bumper in the evening with headlamps + air-con + wipers, highway runs, long duration idling....absolutely no dipping anymore! Better SQ (thanks to the Stegs) is a bonus at the end of this ordeal! Note that I'm still running my 3.xx year old battery and absolutely no modifications have been made to the car's electrical system (just what I wanted).

Thanks a ton much for all those who helped out with suggestions & trouble-shooting . Greatly appreciate the help.

[m4ugr8]

Congrats, Enjoy your ICE!! Why two 2-Channel amplifiers and not one 4 Channel??

[valhallen.282]

@m4ugr8 that's coz steg make sorry made primarily 2 channel amps. Stereo. Pure and true. Plus they have better hold despite the voltage not remaining steady.

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by m4ugr8

Congrats, Enjoy your ICE!! Why two 2-Channel amplifiers and not one 4 Channel??

Out of stock !!!

Originally Posted by valhallen.282

@m4ugr8 that's coz steg make sorry made primarily 2 channel amps.

True but they have 4 channel in the K-Series.

[navin]

Originally Posted by m4ugr8

Congrats, Enjoy your ICE!! Why two 2-Channel amplifiers and not one 4 Channel??

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Out of stock !!!
True but they have 4 channel in the K-Series.

In fact as far as I know even the 2 channel amps are now out of stock.

Until someone revives GT Electronics I dont think Steg amps will be available anymore.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by m4ugr8

Congrats, Enjoy your ICE!!

Thanks M4ugr8 : You should definitely try out the Stegs for your Civic. The entire of last week, I've tried to make the sound dip (trying to load / unload the electrical system at random)....they just REFUSE to .

[panky12345]

Good that the problem got sorted out GTO.

@m4ugr8 : I think you can reinstall the ICE with steg amps!

[m4ugr8]

Thank you guys, even my sound was not dipping/tripping with iD amps or Genesis Profile amps, I had problems with Genesis Profile ultra series amplifiers. I had recommended in the first place to switch the amps, thats what has happened here. Good to know STEGs aren't tripping.

[navin]

Originally Posted by m4ugr8

Thank you guys, even my sound was not dipping/tripping with iD amps or Genesis Profile amps, I had problems with Genesis Profile ultra series amplifiers...

If I remember correctly you had some overheating problem with one amp in your set up na? Is that why you shifted back the OEM system? Sad to see someone who took so much trouble to get a good ICE setup have to move back to the OEM system becuase of this ELD issue.

Anyway what we seem to have realised is that for the Honda Civic it is best that the amps used operate safely with 11V (preferably 10V) at the battery end.

Panky, like I stated before I dont think Steg amps will be back in the market for a long time (other than the second hand market) as GT electronics sadly has closed down. But there are other amps (like JL's HD series) that are also stable at 10-11V.

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by navin

Panky, like I stated before I dont think Steg amps will be back in the market for a long time (other than the second hand market) as GT electronics sadly has closed down. But there are other amps (like JL's HD series) that are also stable at 10-11V.

Very true. The Steg are sure a master pcs. I have three with me and I am not going to sell them. About a replacement of Steg there is Mosconi. Ajay Bhai told me they are quite similar..here is the website..

Mosconi : Official Site mosconi Endstufen Verstärker

I would be interested in getting this one in particular...

Mosconi - GLADEN A-CLASS

http://mosconi-system.it/aclass.php

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

... I am not going to sell them ...

I remember, quite a while back the deal was you will leave the car unlocked - so that we could steal those Stegs and the PXA without disturbing your sleep?

[navin]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

I remember, quite a while back the deal was you will leave the car unlocked - so that we could steal those Stegs and the PXA without disturbing your sleep?

Tell you what, you can keep LBM's Stegs just give me LBM's HU.

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

About a replacement of Steg there is Mosconi. Ajay Bhai told me they are quite similar..here is the website..

LOL. "Rumour" has it that many engineers from Steg moved to Mosconi

[panky12345]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

I remember, quite a while back the deal was you will leave the car unlocked - so that we could steal those Stegs and the PXA without disturbing your sleep?

Nope. The deal was that his father would sell the "chinese" stuff (read Steg) to a junk dealer and gift him an original Japanese "Sony".

[salunkhe.vizz]

Originally Posted by m4ugr8

Good to know STEGs aren't tripping.

Originally Posted by GTO

You should definitely try out the Stegs for your Civic. .

Originally Posted by DerAlte

I remember, quite a while back the deal was you will leave the car unlocked - so that we could steal those Stegs

Hi Folks,

Sorry to revive this old thread. Was referred to it by DerAlte today morning and I just finished reading all the eleven pages in detail.

I recently bought a used Civic S AT, and my main reason of buying was its ICE setup. Though it was out of tune, the equipment did match my taste and hence it was an easy decision to buy the car.

The set up is similar to what GTO had (not sure if he still has the same) in his Civic , except this has only 2 AMP's and not 3
(pics attached):
- Touchscreen Pioneer HU
- 2 pioneer challenger series subs
- 1 Kenwood Amp
- 1 JBL Amp
- Front Infinity Components
- Cannot see what make are the rear speakers as its inside the stock parcel tray
- 1 Cylinder (i dont know what its called, and cant read the brand clearly)

I am facing a similar problem mentioned in this thread, however in my case due to voltage the whole system output gets cutoff (no drop in volume). I can hear a constant long beep (indicating the system being tripped), when the beep stops and I restart the car - the system come son for a while before it shuts off again.

It started with this happening once in a few days, and then once every day and now the music comes "on" only once in a day (rest of the time its shut off).

I showed it to Ramie Paaji and he suspects it is faulty wiring and that should take care of the situation (see this reply here)

My dilemma (esp now after reading the thread), is about replacing the wiring and realizing I need to replace the amps as well.

My questions to you all:

1. If I go with GTO's solution of replacing the AMP, which one should it be (not sure if Stegs are still available and are in my affordable range)

2. Can I downsize to single sub, would this help ?

3. Can any of you suggest another place where I can diagnose this problem (try a diff amp setup / check battery / wiring etc ?) for a second opinion ?

I am not very high on $$$ so if the only solution is an expensive one, I would rather strip off all equipment from the boot and retain just the HU + front infinity components and rear speakers. However, I am still hopeful that I can achieve some solution that will "last long" within the available equipment.

p.s: Not sure why pictures are looking disoriented, they are perfect in my Mac. Please bear with the upside down look OR do let me know how to rotate within this site (sorry for being a noob)

[navin]

Originally Posted by salunkhe.vizz

The set up is similar to what GTO had (not sure if he still has the same) in his Civic , except this has only 2 AMP's and not 3
(pics attached):
- Touchscreen Pioneer HU
- 2 pioneer challenger series subs
- 1 Kenwood Amp
- 1 JBL Amp
- Front Infinity Components
- Cannot see what make are the rear speakers as its inside the stock parcel tray
- 1 Cylinder (i dont know what its called, and cant read the brand clearly)

I showed it to Ramie Paaji and he suspects it is faulty wiring and that should take care of the situation

1. As you can see the Cylinder (it's called a capacitor) does nothing to help the battery life. You can safely eliminate it.

2. Most amplifiers switch off if the power drops below 12.5V, Steg's amps worked fine at below 12V and that's what solved GTO's issue. Thing is the Civic alternator is programmed not to charge the battery till the battery voltage drops below 12 (at which point most amps have switched off). By using Steg, the amps were still on when the alternator came back on and recharged the battery.

You can try reducing the number of amplifiers and subwoofers as a test but I suspect that it might not help. Your best bet would be to find amplifiers that continue to operate when the battery voltage drops below 12V. Since Class D amps are more efficient, I would start with trying out a few Class D amps.