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Originally Posted by airforce1 RTO is the setting on the Boeing, Vis-a-Vis, MAX is the same setting on the Airbus. Both are used for Rejected Take Off Maneuver in their respective Aircrafts.
This is true for all the Aeroplanes and not just The Jumbo. Manual Braking will always give you the Shortest Landing Distance.
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Originally Posted by AirbusA340 Hi there...
The A320 is quite an old design. The RTO setting has never turned up. Maybe it will come up in the future A320 Neo! But the A340/A380 have an RTO setting. Weird but even the A330 didn't have it.
To be more specific, the MAX setting when activated during a rejected takeoff is designed to brake at a deceleration equivalent to '3g'. One of my friends from Hyderabad had a rejected takeoff after bird injestion in Delhi a few years ago and he still swears by the deceleration he felt that day and that it has to be felt to believe in.
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Hi Airforce1, Aribus340,
Thanks for taking the time and patience for these eleborate answers.
Once, I was in my little Cessna Cardinal I was told by the tower to line up and hold. A Boeing 737 had taken off just in front of me. Whilst I taxied onto the runway they executed a RTO. Couldn't tell how fast they were going when they did it, but it must have been close to V1. They came to full stop on the runway and, smoking tires/wheels. And somehow the brakes got stuck as they couldn't move. Shouldn't have happened. You should be able to execute an RTO and just taxi off and cool down brakes etc.
I also executed a RTO on the CargoLux Full motion Simulator in Luxembourg. The instructor told me it was one of the few manoevres that are simply not realistic from a motion feeling point of view. The simulator dips to give you the deceleration feeling but can't do that long enough and or aggressively enough. Real life deceleration should be much more aggressive. Still, it was impressive.
Over the last 36 hours I've managed to get hold of various FCOM and other technical documentation on the Airbus 320. And as I suspected, the total interlocking logic is pretty complex. In order for the system to ARM, at least four different conditions must be met.
On SYSTEM ACTIVATION it reads:
Automatic braking is activated:
- At the command for ground spoiler extension for LO and MED mode
- at the command for ground spoilers extension and the aircraft speed is above 40kt, for MAX mode
So here it clearly states ground spoiler. When I look at the various diagram and logic sequence, I think in essence that is the same as Weight on Wheels, i.e. struts compressing. I can't tell if it is one or the same sensor, or two indepent circuit but the effect is the same
I've also found that on older 320 you could set the autobrake to MAX whilst in flight, although you were not supposed to do so. On the more recent versions it appears as if you can't anymore. Which suggest another interlock. Not sure what condition would release it, haven't seen evidence to show its the nose gear, but something must unlock it again, and it should only happen when the plane is firmly on the ground. Suppose having the nose wheel on the runway before hitting MAX might be advisable.
There's a bunch of other sensors/parameters than come into play as well, Aircraft Longitudinal acceleration and aircraft speed/wheel speed at impact. Trying to figure out the inner working and logic of the BSCU.
One thing I have noticed, very similar to my knowledge and experience with Boeing documentation; The FCOM, AOM of the manufacturer and the various carrier variants show different information. At first this came as a surprise to me, but it does show how different parties might have different thoughts on how they want to present the information to pilots and what they find relevant.
On the 747-400 I have just about every official Boeing manual, and then I have sets of similar manuals from 6 or 7 different carriers. Very different in sequence, text, graphics and sometimes even in actual technical detail. If you want to understand where the technical differences come from you usually have to dig much beyond the documentation that is available in the cockpit and or pilot training. I love flying, but I'm also an engineer, so it's an interesting journey figuring this all out.
Thanks again for your help.
Kaushall, nice pictures; For those who wondered what the tiller for steering the airplane looks like we discussed earlier, look at photographs of the First Officer seat, just right of his/her joystick you will see the tiller.
Jeroen