Hello,
Thank you again for taking time to read this and educating yourselves and having these wonderful queries. I had been away in volunteering for some relief work and doing petty work in my home state Uttrakhand, hence the delay in my replies.
I will be ignoring the distinguished gentleman Jeroen because I find his the responses to my posts offensive and disrespectful. I did not know being respectful of a persons career is a thing of the past. Passing lose comments such as, "it will take a real pilot to answer that one"
does not make you a better person than me.
I do
not need to list of my qualifications in order for anyone to let me know if I am a real pilot or not. I
don't have anything to prove to you.
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Originally Posted by honeybee So, finally we still haven't learnt why the Indian skies are more stringent (and hence safer), have we? |
Have you guys seen how difficult it is for Tata-Air Asia to get through the babus and the regulations that we have!
We have got to be strict right?
Okay, jokes apart....
The Indian skies are safer because of stringent mandatory requirement of instruments, the per-requisites for maintenance, the training, the approvals and above all something known as flight duty time limitations being the most restrictive.
A pilot in Europe can be flying you on a 12 hour flight after a rest of just 6 hours. (Pilots reading this, this is in accordance with ICAO DOC 9966) This is one extremely significant measure that ensure safety.
If this subject matter interests you please click on the link below:
All this tug of war between pilots and the ministry is only because they never took inputs from the system which were concerned.
India's flight duty time limitation (FDTL) is striking a perfect balance, I am very thankful to the Civil Aviation Ministry of India, Dr. Zaidi for letting us be a part of this instrumental FDTL that is making the Indian skies
safe.
Gentlemen, if you still have doubts it is perfectly fine. Please ask me in a respectful way & I will be very much obliged to shed light to this topic.
http://dgca.nic.in/reports/Report_FDTL.pdf
The above link is an old yet significant document. This is something
we pilots worked on along with the regulator.
This can't be enough iFly! Amerika should be safer!!
Have you ever thought of what happens as your airplanes sleep through the night? Gentlemen, they go through a very stringent layover inspection. Now normally you could have engineers who work for 18 hours around the world.
How do you feel about having your car checked by an engineer and a technician who have had only 8 hours off for themselves? In which they commute home, and back... Run some personal errands perhaps?
http://dgca.nic.in/misc/draft%20circ...0for%20AME.pdf
Gentlemen, our nation is one of the very few nations that has a regulation for rest period for engineers!
We are an emerging market, a developing country. As much as I would like to say we are a superpower... we are perhaps comparable to countries like Indonesia... Google Indonesia Lion Air.
Things go wrong very fast in aviation. Lion Air is just an example with three accidents this year alone.
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Originally Posted by honeybee
I remember a particular Air India flight which literally jolted everyone. This was from Bhopal to Mumbai, and the landing went so horribly wrong the baggage compartment doors opened and a couple of pieces of baggage actually fell down. The tail swung wildly for a few moments before finally the plane stabilized. A narrow escape. That was as a passenger. I don't know if the pilot had it in control and whether this was just one of the "Ouch!" moments - just like when I ride rough over some potholes and my passengers may feel anxiety and jolts, and I might just shrug it off. |
Respected Sir,
I cannot think of pilots as well trained as Air India anywhere in the world. Having said that all one can do is speculate on why is it that landing was the way it was that day, however I urge you to listen to superman, as he once said...
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Originally Posted by Jeroen Yep, still waiting for that one; Its a toughie, will take a real pilot to answer that one.
If you're looking for a real pilot this is an interesting site; checked my own name and sure enough I'm in there.
Jeroen |
Thank you sir! I am sure you're a great pilot and I wish you clear skies and happy landings!
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Originally Posted by sindabad.sailor I have faced high temperatures in cabin prior take off, lot of times. Once it was too much to bear at Goa - Dabolim. It was Sahara Airlines flight then. I kept on asking the attendants for the reason. After seeing my persistence, I was informed that for running the air con while on tarmac, the aircraft uses fuel as coolant. Since there was an appreciable delay in take off, the fuel was getting heated up and hence pilot had to switch the air con off.
I till date don't believe this. I guess this thread can throw some light. |
Before I reply to this one, may I please add that I love your team-BHP handle!
On ground the aircraft air-conditioning system has a lot going against it.
- It is parked in an area usually built using tar and has a temperature higher than what is reported by the met department. This temperature is something called as dry bulb temperature with the temperature sensor being in shade and a few feet above the ground. So, if you're in a Nagpur with your phone showing you its 45 degrees... It probably 50 degrees.
- IT'S OUT IN THE SUN! Think about it... It's getting heated up as you are waiting to board the airplane.
- Ever tried your car's air-con with two windows rolled down? That's kinda another biggie. Three of the four doors are open in the ground adding to loss of cooling. Two doors are usually for passengers to embark and one door is where the food comes in from! Yummy!!
Switched off the air-con? Hmm... I doubt that but then again, can merely speculate. Hope you clicked on the link above on what superman said!!
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Originally Posted by norhog The aeronautical number cruncher's please chip in..
The domestic flights between the metro cities in India are having same timing and cost of seat. e.g there are Indigo, Air India and Jet flight from kolkata to Mumbai at 0600 hrs on week day mornings.
The ticket cost is exactly the same.
All of then fly airbus A320s or Boeing737.
So aircraft carrying approx 160 passangers each.
So total number of passangers 160 x 3 is 480.
Why not get a bigger aircraft like a 747 and one part can be looked after by one airline say Air India seat nos 1 to 30, Indigo by 31 to 50..you get the picture.Then divide the fuel and maintenance cost 3 ways.
Wont that turn out cheaper.
If it is a crazy idea please excuse. |
It's a brilliant idea! I would love to fly them wide-body airplanes! We guys are barely able to fill up all our seats these days thou! To add to that our airports aren't that 'big' to handle those airplanes!
Also, with the INR weakening, Syrian crisis and fuel prices going up to '
Infinity and beyond' the present business model makes more sense.
Look around... Nice deals if you've to fly... Log on and book yourself a flight... Help me get my paycheque! Or even better, a pay hike
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Originally Posted by Sedate Some people who fly have bigger egos than the airplane!
My friend never fly Jet Airways - just because the courier company didn't deliver him the jet privilege card stating his residence is beyond delivery area! My friend wrote an email to Jet loyalty customer care, but never received a reply. He simply stopped flying Jet and JetKonnect!
When companies try cost cutting by taking cheap service(even in loyalty/privilege card delivery!!!) they are losing valuable(profitable and paying) customers! |
Why fly Jet when you've indiGo! Always ontime, courteous & hassle free!
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Originally Posted by A350XWB The domestic 747's used in Japan were 747 SR (Short Range), where the fuel capacity was reduced and the payload capacity increased to serve high density inter-city routes. They also had strengthened components for high cycle usage. The capacity was 498 to more than 500 passengers in a high density configuration. (more info here)
But the economy and the geography of Japan warranted these aircrafts as there are lot more people using air travel on the inter-city routes. Thus, the load factors make economic sense to run high density configuration airplanes.
In India, the people who make use of air travel is really less. Again in the US, there is a sizeable amount of people who travel by air and also, the sheer size of the country warrants the use of widebodies on domestic routes. Even now, there are routes in US served using widebodies.
And thinking of plane sharing, many people select an airline to fly in, considering different factors like cost, service, punctuality, safety record etc etc. So, sharing an aircraft by 6E, AI, 9W may not be a good idea for the carriers. Afterall, brand building is something.
Economy plays a huge role in deciding the equipment. It's not very fuel efficient to fly a large aircraft on a short route, until there is enough traffic. |
Very nicely explained. Couldn't have said it better!
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Originally Posted by phamilyman Agree!
I once had a very similar landing at Delhi from a 777-200, the other passengers were all praises (including an ex-KF pilot/flight instructor) for the perfectly smooth landing, and I was furious, because as a frequent flier, that idiot of a pilot had actually put full wheels down almost a couple of hundred meters past the regular zone. Except most people just don't get it :(
And like you pilots say, air above and runway behind the plane is of no use to a pilot - I believe it myself |
Yes! What's behind you is not a runway... But a 777 appears to 'float' a little longer. If a KFA flight instructor was praises for it... I'm gonna be biased and give him the benefit of doubt there...
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Originally Posted by revtech instead of trying to google.. i thought ill just refer to the Boeing FCOM
here is an extract,
"After landing, autobrake application begins when:
• both forward thrust levers are retarded to IDLE
• the main wheels spin–up."
there is no RTO "button" , its a maneuver. which begins with thrust levers to idle and thats when the autobrakes engage only if the speed is higher than a pre-determined value. |
Thank you RTO. I take you seriously and just wanted to say thank you for sharing this info. Unfortunately the sciolists will continue to doubt us *shrugs in disbelief*
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