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Old 13th March 2019, 14:33   #136
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That's an awesome one-liner!

The only sub I've seen or been inside is INS Kursura, the one set up for display on the Visakhapatnam beach. Can't imagine how people live inside that for days or weeks. Must be very taxing physically and psychologically. I guess modern subs are better equipped but still a tough job.
Subs are so cramped for space that most of them have lesser number of bunk beds than the crew number. So the crew takes turns and use these in shifts.
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Subs are so cramped for space that most of them have lesser number of bunk beds than the crew number. So the crew takes turns and use these in shifts.

Known as hot bunking!
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Indian Navy to induct second Scorpene submarine by May 2019
Dateline: 21 March2019

https://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...early-may.html

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The Indian Navy is scheduled to induct its second Scorpene-class submarine, the INS Khanderi, by early May, according to a defense source. As for the third Scorpene-class submarine, the INS Karanj, it appears to be in advanced stage of trials and could also be ready this year.

“Khanderi has completed all trials and is in the final stages of acceptance. It is expected to be commissioned into the Navy by end April or early May,” the defense source said. Khanderi was launched into water in January 2017 and has since been undergoing a series of trials.

The third in the Scorpene series, ths INS Karanj, which was launched in January last year is in advanced stage of trials and could be ready for induction by year end. As for the fourth submarine, the INS Vela, it is said to be ready to be launched into waters for trials, depending on Ocean tide.

The last two submarines Vagir and Vagsheer are in advanced stages of manufacturing on the assembly line. The fifth submarine is in the final stages of being booted together. The ‘Boot Together’ is where the five separate sections are welded together to form the submarine.
INS Khanderi on sea trials. [Photo Courtesy Wikipedia]
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INS Vela, the 4th Scorpene class submarine will slide into the water on 6th May 2019

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/ins-ve...aters-on-6-may

The Scorpene building programme is well and truly on its way with 3 submarines in commission or undergoing sea trials and a 4th getting launched on 6th May. Two more are at an advanced stage of completion. A healthy sign but not enough. We need at least 12, in the next few years, more to shore up force levels as older boats decommission.

PS: A submarine is always referred to as a boat and never a ship. After all ships are what submarines sink!!
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Here's a nice profile picture of the boat in question - INS Vela.


Pic Source: Twitter


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In response to allegations in the Chinese media that the Indian Navy is "unprofessional" (because of the incident on board the INS Vikramaditya), a Western writer on Quora just wrote that an incident or two does not (un)make a country's Navy (which is quite logical). But he went on to make this comparison too - which is pertinent to this thread - it seems the Chinese SSBNs have struggled to complete a full SSBN patrol and did so only after decades of effort, whereas the Indian Navy has completed a SSBN patrol after just less than 1 year of effort after pressing a SSBN into service.

I know that the INS Arihant had an incident in 2017 following which it was docked for 10 months and it then completed a "deterrent patrol" in November 2018.

Meanwhile, it's time for me to read on what a "deterrent patrol" is!
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Well said @locusjag. The Chinese have a well co-ordinated manner of using the press as a weapon to provoke, instigate, attack, launch false claims etc. Much like Trumpistan. This uncalled for slur towards a guest is one such. It is also a reflection on their own insecurities.

As for a deterrent patrol - lie below 200 metres, quiet as a mouse, armed as a tiger and achieve your deterrence by just being there with your target in range and make sure your adversary knows you are there somewhere. What our teams at the IN, DRDO and L&T and the Atomic Energy Research have achieved is worth being proud of. Its value is against organizers states. It has almost no value against the non-state actors that are becoming more prevalent today.
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Meanwhile, it's time for me to read on what a "deterrent patrol" is!
Adding one point what Narayanan sir has already posted on the definition, if you had been following news from the Feb 27th onwards, you would know where were they deterring again and also how much of an impact(deterrence) it has in the real world!

Just slowly driving past our neighbours and doing nothing. When something of its size and class is around, puts everyone on their toes or even higher. During some of these patrols, the presence of such a submarine is made public on purpose to send chills down the spine because the adversary cannot stop or do anything about it except to hope that the boat does not hunt any of their assets.

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There was an article on ET.https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/69189822.cms


This article mentioned that the US Navy is wary about Chinese nuclear subs. I had read previously that the Chinese subs are noisy and not really reliable. Is there any truth to these observations?

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On the reliability factor we only have western reports to go by but given observations over two decades those reports are probably correct. On the issue of quietness it would be prudent to assume it is true. Water is such a strong medium for sound that even the Americans and British have struggled with it and their submarines are believed to be the quietest though not as quiet as a diesel-electric one . When a Chinese submarine visited Sri Lanka on a port call last year we tracked it continuosly from Malacca to Sri Lanka.

I doubt the Americans are concerned or scared about the Chinese subs. They are watching the Chinese watch them and noting down their operating method and mistakes. In submarine warfare the British and the Americans are the best trained and the most experienced.

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@V. Narayan Sir,

Isn't the Akula class the quitest heavy boat or are we talking about a different class of boat? In the small diesel-electric or AIP powered ones, the HDWs have always ruled ahead of the rest of the world.
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Isn't the Akula class the quitest heavy boat or are we talking about a different class of boat? In the small diesel-electric or AIP powered ones, the HDWs have always ruled ahead of the rest of the world.
The best thing about the silent service is that they stay silent about their silence. The Akula is said to be the quietest Russian type akin in quietness to the US Los Angles class. The US Sea Wolf and the British Astute are probably the most silent of current SSNs. Coming to DE submarines, going by literature in the public arena, the German and French designs are comparable in quietness. The Russian Kilo is very good too with its quiet coefficient helped by the anechoic tiles on its outer hull. Probably, and this is my guess only, the quietest conventional submarines are the present Japanese ones - they have all the technology and being the largest conventional boats have more space and weight for noise suppression gear. Given how tightly packed submarines are every centimetre of hull width or length is invaluable for insulation or mounting the machinery on rafts.
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