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On a different note, today 6 October, marks the exactly 40 years since the MiG-29's first flight. | |
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Tejas was inducted into service in July 2016. Two jets were inducted in the No 45 squadron of IAF called Flying Daggers. Current strength of the squadron is 4. SP-6 (Series Production 6) will be the fifth member and made it's maiden flight on 30 June from Bengaluru. SP-5 is next in line and is about to make it's maiden flight soon. |
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So, are these planes fully operational or are they still under certain restrictions Jeroen | |
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Tejas has taken part in Iron Fist exercise held in Rajasthan last year, where it fired missiles. It also flew during the republic day parade this year. Current Tejas Series Production is based on IOC-2. For FOC (Final Operational Clearance) three things are required:
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As a continuation of the series the next interview is of Air commodore Harish Nayani. He was the test pilot of PV-3 (prototype vehicle) which had the same interface which is present in current Tejas in service. He was also in-charge of Mig-21 Bison upgrade program. He also flew the erstwhile defense minister George Fernandes in Mig-21 trainer. | |
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| ![]() Here is a two part series that gives insights into how LCA Tejas is built and assembled at HAL. |
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What's especially worrying is the totally broad spectrum of noises you hear about the Tejas, one would imagine that by now there would be some consensus on such a long in the tooth platform but it appears far from that, naturally as a consequence of all the vested interests. I don't think I've yet come across what as near-as-can-be, a dispassionate appraisal of the Tejas in terms of IAF needs. Last edited by ads11 : 20th November 2017 at 22:54. Reason: Enter a few quotes in lieu of TL:DR readers who need more of an executive summary | ||
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| ![]() Recently there were many articles claiming that IAF is not interested in future advanced versions of Tejas and they are batting strongly for foreign single engined fighter jets. These articles even gave figures pertaining to range, weapons load, maintenance and futher claimed that IAF accepted Tejas to oblidge the sentiments of nation. Link 1 Link 2 While I don't know how much of this is true w.r.t. IAF giving a cold shoulder to Tejas, a little digging shows the facts mentioned in these articles are not presented in a fair manner. Link (Please focus on facts and figures and not the way article is written) Admist all this HAL chairman says that Tejas is a world class fighter jet and plays the defined role. He also mentioned that they are planning to ramp up the production rate to 24 by 2021 and can be taken up further with private partnership. Link Also the defense minsitry is skeptical with the idea of single engined requirement as it might lead to a single vendor situation and has asked the force to base their requirements of technical parameters. All of the above withstanding:
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And at last here is a video of the currently operational suqadron of Tejas, the "Flying Daggers". And boy they are all praise for Tejas. ![]() IMO Tejas is a wonderful product and like always there are efforts to downplay indegenous tech by lobbies with commercial interests. Tejas is a wonderful platform and it's development should be carried forward with support from IAF. Last edited by PraNeel : 29th November 2017 at 01:13. | |
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I wouldn't put much stock in the defence minister's statement. Having had a brief look into his background, it seems he's just a technocrat, and his statement is precisely the sort of platitude you expect from a public servant, aimed to get through to even the lowest common denominator. As I've stated before, there seems to be no clear consensus on the Tejas and while taken on it's own this wouldn't be altogether problematic (for comparison look at the intense brouhaha the JSF still causes), you would have hoped to see some redeeming features come through (again, in the JSF example, there is no denying the leap forward it brings just looking at the enhanced situational awareness it can offer through its sensor suite). It's terribly disconcerting there doesn't seem to be any such standout feature for the Tejas than rather cruelly it seems the fact that it is domestically built. On the topic of its production, without orders and dilly dallying, I can understand the reticence on HAL's part to not ramp up production but I feel like it's a vicious cycle. if HAL Did suddenly start churning out the jets en masse to complete its standing order in double quick time, maybe then it would force the hand of the IAF, at least from pressure by the govt as they will have demonstrable proof to show their constituents that it Is possible to fix the squadron shortfall using a Made in India platform. Quantitatively at least.. (I don't imagine this would go towards rectifying the qualitative shortfalls of the Tejas). | |
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With Brahmos light, Su-30 MKI can carry three of them. Tejas will just benefit from this development, however it shows the versatility of the platform. Quote:
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Concurrency is this misplaced belief that development times could've been sped along if production was initiated with development continuing alongside, in the belief that end user feedback would feed into subsequent tranches. Sound familiar? Mark 1A and Mk2 Tejas you say? Hmm. Well, as the world has seen with the many Blocks of the JSF churned out, you've only just got pilots being able to just about use the funky helmet that was designed as being an extension of the jet itself, not to mention that you'll end up having older block jets that then have to brought up to the later standard. Nah-uh. I think if I had to distill my gripes it could be boiled down simply to HAL equivocating; the ever changing requirements from end user that just snowball with the manufacturer lagging to keep behind and more than anything trying to solve everything in one go. I understand the need for localised production, to build a self sufficient domestic industry, and I totally get the Pokhran sanctions that handicapped the process but maybe the IAF could have taken a leaf out the IN book in the excellent job they've done with their domestic shipbuilding. If I'm right in summarising V.Narayan's writings here on it, it seems they took a platform they understood, and just iterated on it over decades, working on a new component of the whole platform with every new generation as opposed to trying to build everything from scratch on their own, every time. And more than that, the IN has its own design bureau, so at least comparatively there's a clarity of purpose in what is wanted. With the IAF and HAL+ADA it just seems they're both on different wavelengths. Honestly, I think we're all in agreement we want to see it do well, or at the very least the learnings from this long gestating project come to fruition soon, whether in the form of a Tejas or maybe a different platform. | |
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And this is in tandem with fighter jet production worldwide. Rafale will be delivered 3 years after the deal was signed. Today when every child in the country knows that IAF is battling dwindling squadron numbers, any attempts to speed up production should be complied with. Secondly, HAL chief has already mentioned that whatever improvements will be there in FOC spec Tejas, same can be incorporated in IOC batch of Tejas by entering into an formal agreement. Quote:
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