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Old 17th May 2022, 13:27   #211
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the new aircraft was dubbed as the Comet 4 and had a reliable run upto 1997 with the BOAC and even the RAF if I'm not wrong a few European airline companies as well.
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The one notable operator was Dan-Air Services in the UK which operated the Comets up until 1980 or so.
The longest serving active "Comets" were the RAF variant Hawker Siddeley NIMROD maritime patrol aircrafts. These served in active duty well into the 1st decade of the 2000s IIRC. A heavily modified airframe of course, but was still based on the Comet, and retained the outer sketch, especially the wing planes and the integrated engines.
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The Dam Busters. RAF 617 Squadron. World War II

16–17 May 1943: Nineteen modified Avro Lancaster B.III special long-range heavy bombers of No. 617 Squadron, Royal Air Force, carried out Operation Chastise, a low-level night attack against four hydroelectric dams in the Ruhr Valley, Germany

The purpose of the attack was to disrupt German steel production. It was estimated that 8 tons of water were required to produce 1 ton of steel. Breaching the dams would reduce the available water and hydroelectric power, disrupt transportation of materials on the rivers, and flood iron ore and coal mines and power plants. If the dams were destroyed, it was believed that the effects would be the same as attacks against 26 categories of industrial targets further down the Ruhr Valley.

Led by 25-year-old Wing Commander Guy Gibson, a veteran of 172 combat missions, the aircrews of No. 617 Squadron dropped a spinning cylindrical bomb from a height of exactly 60 feet over the reservoirs behind the dams, while flying at precisely 240 miles per hour (~386 kmph).

The 9,250-pound (4,196 kg) Vickers Type 464 cylindrical bomb was designed to skip along the surface of the water and to strike the wall of the dam, and then sink to the bottom. There, a pressure detonator exploded the 6,600 pound (2,994 kg) Torpex charge directly against the wall with the water pressure directing the energy through the wall.

Nineteen Lancasters took off from RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire, England, beginning at 9:28 p.m. on the 16th, and flew across the North Sea at only 100 feet to avoid being detected by enemy radar. The bombers succeeded in destroying the Möhne and Eder dams and damaging the Sorpe. A fourth dam, the Ennepe, was attacked but not damaged. The last surviving bomber returned to base at 6:15 a.m. on the 17th of May 1943.

Of the nineteen Lancasters launched, two were damaged and turned back before reaching the targets. Six were shot down and two more collided with electric transmission power lines during the low-level night flight. Of 133 airmen participating in the attack, 53 were killed.

For his planning, training and execution of the raid, Wing Commander Gibson was awarded the Victoria Cross. An additional 33 survivors were also decorated. 617 Squadron became known as “The Dambusters.”

The Avro Lancaster B.III Special was a four-engine long range heavy bomber modified to carry the Type 464 bomb. It was operated by a crew of seven: Pilot, flight engineer, navigator, radio operator, bomb aimer, nose gunner and tail gunner. The aircraft was 69 feet long with a wingspan of 102 feet and overall height of 20 feet. The modified bomber had an empty weight of 15.9 tonnes and a maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 27.2 tonnes. It was powered by 4 Rolls Royce Merlin piston engines developing a maximum of 1300 hp and with a cruise rating of 1080 hp. The Merlins drove three-bladed de Havilland Hydromatic quick-feathering, constant-speed propellers which had a diameter of 13 feet

These engines gave the Lancaster a cruising speed of 200 mph (322 kmph) and maximum speed of 272 mph (438 kmph) The service ceiling was 24,700 feet and maximum range was 2,530 miles (4,072 kms).

Where feats of aviation go and feats of outstanding airmanship go this raid stands up there with the best and deserves our admiration across borders, time and nationalities.

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The 4-engined Avro Lancaster bomber

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The cylindrical 'Upkeep' bomb that was spun on the cradle before being dropped.

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The bomb being dropped.

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The cylindrical bomb skips along the water propelled by its velocity and the spin.

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The recce photo of the Mohne dam, on 17th morning, showing the breach

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Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC, DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar. He was killed in action a year later flying a pathfinder Mosquito over Netherlands. He was only 26 years old.

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The Dam Busters. RAF 617 Squadron. World War II

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Since you brought up the World Wars, I'd like to mention that I had book called RAF Biggin Hill, which pretty much recounts the history of RAF through the early decades (1910 onwards), detailing WW1 and WW2 and the interim period. So it covered the heroics of all the pilots and planes from the Sopwith Camel to the Me 262 and everything in between. Somehow during my dad's multiple transfers, that book became more tattered and finally I lost it somewhere. But I still recollect the narrative.
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The Dam Busters. RAF 617 Squadron. World War II
Thanks a ton Sir, for bringing this up, the whole episode was etched in my memory when I read about it in one of the long stories in the Reader's Digest as a teenager. It had been written with such a passion that I thought it this was the pinnacle of courage and engineering acumen. First the need of destroying the dams, secondly developing the bouncing bomb using knowledge of depth charge and aerodynamics to jump over the anti submarine and torpedo nets and then putting in huge effort to accomplish the mission when they were still getting buggered under the Jackboots.

An aspect that I feel merits some thought is the systems and procedures which were in place and working to produce results in record times during most critical times in a nations history, reminds me of coordination issues that we dread in any project management exercise these days.

Lastly, I think adding in name of Barnes Wallis in the story would be appropriate as well.
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The Dam Busters. RAF 617 Squadron. World War II
The Dam Busters raid is definitely one of the most famous exploits from military history.

Such is the fame and prestige of the Dam Busters squadron, iirc the first squadron into which the RAF inducted F-35s is the Dam Busters squadron, to mark the honour of the first 5th Gen fighter in British service.
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Fighter pilot daughter and fighter pilot father fly together in formation. A first for India...maybe the world

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india...045141543.html

https://twitter.com/rahulsinghx/stat...ics-5496642%2F

https://www.india.com/viral/viral-ne...-pics-5496642/

What a delightful human interest story of a father daughter duo of the IAF flying fighters in formation. It is a reflection both of how far women have come and the broad minded policies of the IAF.

Flying Officer Ananya Sharma and Air Commodore Sanjeev Sharma flew the BAe Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer in formation at Bidar air station. The daughter flew the lead and the father flew as her wingman. This is certainly a first for India and it is probably a first for the world. The US is arresting women for having abortions while India is encouraging them to be fighter pilots - the ultimate male bastion! Congratulations to both father and daughter from all of us at Team BHP.

Flying Officer Ananya Sharma has just graduated from the advanced flying course. Air Commodore Sharma commissioned in 1989 and has flown several fast jet combat aircraft including commanding a MiG-21 squadron and a frontline air base
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The proud father & daughter

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The Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer a British design assembled in India. It is used for advanced fighter pilot training after which pilots get posted to operational conversion units for type rating on whichever frontline type they are to serve with. The Hawk is without doubt the best and most reliable advanced jet fighter trainer in the world. It is powered by a Rolls Royce Adour turbofan delivering 2960 kgf of thrust. The aircraft has a top speed of Mach 0.84 ie ~1030 kmph at altitude and can go supersonic in a dive.

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Hiroshima & Nagasaki

This week, 77 years ago, on 6th August the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and the second, on 9th August, was dropped on Nagasaki.

The bomb over Hiroshima killed around 135,000 people on the ground as per the most reliable estimates. Approximately 11 sq kms of the city was destroyed completely either by the initial blast or by the firestorm that ensued immediately thereafter. That bomb, named Little Boy was estimated to have packed the blast energy of 18,000 tonnes of TNT.

The bomb over Nagasaki, on 9th August, was destined for the city of Kokura. But as the city was overcast with clouds a proper aim could not be established and the flight crew diverted to Nagasaki, the stand by option. The bomb which was estimated to have the explosive power of ~21,000 tonnes of TNT killed between 64,000 & 80,000 people as per the most reliable estimates. The bomb did not explode over the most populous part of the city as planned other wise the casualty figures would have been significantly higher. These figures do not include the tens of thousands who died painfully and miserably over the coming weeks and months due to the injuries they sustained and the radioactivity they were exposed to.

The saddest and most cruel part of this drama was that immediately after the explosions, after Japan's surrender a week later, the US sent large teams of doctors to meet the survivors - not to treat them but to observe and measure the effect of the atomic bombs on its victims. The victims, after their wounds and effects had been measured, were left to fend for themselves with no aid forthcoming from the occupying forces. Most died soon thereafter in any case.

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Hiroshima on the left. Nagasaki on the right. The mushroom clouds rose to about 60,000 feet.


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The Nagasaki atomic cloud photographed from a neighbouring island about 8 kms away minutes after the detonation.


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Colonel Paul Tibbets, centre, with his crew in front of the Boeing B-29 Superfortress bomber from which the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Tibbets was a highly experienced bomber commander who spent a year with his team rehearsing and training for the event.


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The Boeing B-29 Superfortress - they aircraft type that dropped both bombs. The B-29 was by far the largest, heaviest & most powerful military aircraft produced upto that time i.e. 1945. Its 4 Pratt & Whitney turbo charged engines delivered a total of 8800 shp that lifted this 54 tonne bomber and drove it to 575 kmph carrying a bomb load of 5.4 tonnes typically which could be increased to 9.1 tonnes for short legs.

Let us pause for a moment for those who perished and suffered in these two atomic bombings. Let's also dwell for a moment on the nature of our species that we spend so much on defence, on arms, on inventing ways to destroy and yet hundreds of millions of children sleep hungry each night, billions of humans live in poverty and most humans do not have access to affordable health care.
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HAL HTT-40 Basic Trainer. 70 ordered.

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-gets...ainer/1177561/


The IAF has inked a Rs 6,800 crore deal with HAL for the purchase of 70 Hindustan Turbo Trainer (HTT)-40 trainer aircraft, a move that reduces the pressure off the force which is juggling its training modules due to limited number of planes. The HTT 40, a project that was funded by HAL through its own internal funds after the IAF had initially refused to take part, is now seen by the force as a game changer and progress made in “record time”. The new aircraft will be part of the first stage of training for the IAF pilots – basic training – and will eventually replace the Swiss-made Pilatus aircraft bought in 2012.The HTT 40 has features like zero-zero ejection seats, multi-function displays, night flying capabilities and a range of 1,000 km with a top speed of 450 kmph.

The IAF pilots go through three stages of training using three different kinds of aircraft before they move on to fighters. ideally those three stages should be HTT-40/Pilatus PC-7 Mk II --> Intermediate Jet Trainer --> BAe Hawk. Right now the middle stage is missing which is a glaring gap. It is like putting a road driver from a Vespa scooter onto a BMW Series 3!

All in all a very useful and much delayed step forward for HAL & the IAF. The predecessor the venerable HPT-32 was designed in the early 1970s and served the Armed Forces from late 1970s to the previous decade. What we could do in the 1970s we were unable to repeat despite a few half hearted attempts in the 2000s. Not that we lacked know-how just that our design-manufacture-user working protocols were so contaminated and our design organizations politicized. All to the detriment of the Armed Forces. Prachand, LUH {Light Utility Helicopter}, Tejas into squadron service and now the HTT-40 are all very positive indications. Reminds me of the last good days where between 1969 and 1980 we put into service - HF-24 Marut fighter bomber, Ajeet light fighter, HPT-32 primary trainer, Kiran Mk II intermediate jet trainer.

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Crew: 2, instructor, pupil
Length: 34 feet 6 inches
Wingspan: 36 feet 1 inch
Gross weight: 2,800 kg

Fuel capacity: 450 kg {~600 litres}
Powerplant: 1 × Honeywell Garrett TPE331-12B turboprop, 1,100 shp derated to 950 shp powering a 4-blade propeller. This engine is built in India under the Dornier Do 228 programme.

Maximum speed: 400 kmph
Range: 1,000 km
Service ceiling: 6,000 m (~20,000 feet)
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C-295 transport aircraft for Indian Air Force to be manufactured by Tata-Airbus in Gujarat

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/95122830.cms

On 30th October the PM will lay the foundation stone of a new plant of Tata-Airbus that will manufacture/assemble the C-295 not only for the IAF but for other users and for exports. This is the first time the C-295 will be built outside Airbus plants in Europe. It is the first time since HAL was set up in 1940 by Walchand Hirachand that a new aircraft manufacturing and assembly plant of scale is being set up in India - 82 years. For 82 years Govt policy and HAL's grip and the GoI's misplaced ideologies denied this nation a second company to build aircraft. Given that it is an Airbus-Tata venture we can expect to see more types over the next decade. Here I'm ignoring the very small scale attempt, in the 1990s, at assembling a small twin engine Praternavia utility aircraft by Taneja Aerospace or the failed attempt by Mahindra Aerospace with the single- engined Airvan or parts manufacture by some.

This is a land mark moment for three reasons - one that Airbus has come into India as a builder, something they have been doing in China for 20 years. Second that the Ministry of Defence has sent a clear signal that supply of aircraft to the Indian Armed Forces will no longer remain under the monopolistic grip of HAL. Third that the private sector is as patriotic as the PSUs and we are no longer clinging to the detrimental but ingrained philosophy of the 1950s to 1990s that some how the private sector cannot be trusted with national priorities. On the last point to be fair Larsen & Toubro broke the myth with the building of INS Arihant our first SSBN.

In terms of selecting a light transport the C-295 IMHO is the best pick of aircraft currently available. As an evolutionary product of the CN-235 it is based on a proven platform and is likely to remain a contemporary and modern aircraft {through various marks} for 40 to 50 years.

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Max Take Off Weight: 23 tonnes
Payload: 7 tonnes normal; 9.25 tonnes overload; 73 troops

Wingspan: 84 feet
Wing Area 640 sq feet. This is a small wing for the Max T.O. weight. It is fitted with high lift devices
Length: 80 feet

Power plant: 2 x Pratt & Whitney PW127 G turboprops each rated at 2644 shp normal, 2919 shp at boost
Fuel: 7650 litres

Cruise speed: 482 kmph
Range: 1500 kms with full payload and reserves; 4500 kms with max fuel and minimum payload of 3 tonnes; maritime patrol endurance, 8 hours

Hardpoints: 6 hardpoints under the wings together rated for 3200 kgs of fuel or bombs or other munitions

The C-295 can operate from rough forward air strips including slushy ones. It can reverse and turn in a radius of less than 12 metres. Its engines are rated for hot & high. IIRC they generate full power at up to 37 degrees C {experts please correct me as I write from memory}.
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Fantastic news! Absolutely vital that we diversify the OEMs within our domestic industry and isn't the Tata group essentially a PSU in terms of how it's perceived by the Indian public? I mean they took on Air India despite the well documented problems there, what more patriotic act in spite of prudent financial wisdom can there be! In any case, a great domestic partner for Airbus to have, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like this is a controversial choice? I imagine there'd be uproar if say an Adani subsidiary or Ambani subsidiary had got the contract.

Bit surprised it was set up in Gujarat, I thought the aerospace hubs in India were more in central and southern India? I guess otherwise there still is a considerable industrial base to draw from in Gujarat in any case.

Concur about the choice of the 295, it's a workhorse platform and ticks all the right boxes. Smart move by Airbus to partner with Tata. I wonder if at last that company might see some luck with procurement contracts, in particular the long standing need for the A330MRTTs. That deal finally seeing the light would really be the one two punch of long awaited good news for the airlift fleet.

On a side note about Airbus having a manufacture facility in China, doesn't Boeing have the same? I thought all overseas OEMs were forced to either enter into JVs with Chinese firms and/or set up local units to be able to operate in China. And that this has been the case for the past 30 years? I guess the gargantuan size of the carrot (the Chinese domestic market) always outweighed the size of the stick (the CPC) in terms of the calculus. In India's case I suppose the stick is just the absolute chaos that Indian defence procurement is, think everyone can admit it's volatile to say the least..
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Looks like the C295 may be a good replacement for the AN32.
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Looks like the C295 may be a good replacement for the AN32.
Great point! If the C295s are being built domestically, why not go all in and have one platform be the entry level of the airlift fleet. Especially if by 2031 when the article says the current order book for the C295 will be complete, you'll essentially have the entire spares and ancillary network built up in country for the plane. Makes sense to me.

I vaguely remember the An-32 fleet was undergoing refit and upgrade - was that being done domestically? What is the timeline on that upgrade programme? How long are the upgraded An-32s to fly? Just trying to get an idea of how much overlap there might be with the two fleets and if it makes sense to cut some later upgrade tranches to just have more new build C295s
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for other users and for exports.

This is what that excites me the most. This means Airbus is not just throwing a carrot at us, but also wants to integrate this venture into their overall supply chain. This will have incredible positive impact in the long term on the manufacturing industry in India. Tatas previously did it with Sikorsky-92 cabins and AH-64 fuselages and now this. It takes years to build such competence and supply chain. Once it is built, OEMs would want to keep them and continue to give them global business. Kind of like why it is so difficult for many companies to decouple themselves from China even though they are speaking about it for years now.

What's interesting though is that Boeing, Airbus and Lockheed all have partnerships with the same entity of Tatas. Is it so difficult in India to find other non-controversial partners with scale?
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C-295 transport aircraft for Indian Air Force to be manufactured by Tata-Airbus in Gujarat

This is the first time the C-295 will be built outside Airbus plants in Europe.
This is excellent news. Hoping that we do the same with bigger aircraft like the C130J hercules as well, infact Tata already manufactures its wings IIRC.

Also, we aren't the first outside Europe. Indonesian Aerospace already assembled some for their Air Force, infact I believe the Indonesians were involved in the development of the C295's smaller cousin - the CN-235. Offcourse, the level of localisation will probably be much higher for the Tata product.


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Bit surprised it was set up in Gujarat, I thought the aerospace hubs in India were more in central and southern India? I guess otherwise there still is a considerable industrial base to draw from in Gujarat in any case.
My strong intuition is, this was a political decision with the upcoming Gujarat elections and all. It is probably better to spread out our industrial base anyway though factories in Gujarat can be at risk of attacks given the proximity to Pakistan. I remember reading that there will be a facility in the South as well, which I guess will be an MRO.
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I imagine there'd be uproar if say an Adani subsidiary or Ambani subsidiary had got the contract.

Bit surprised it was set up in Gujarat, I thought the aerospace hubs in India were more in central and southern India? I guess otherwise there still is a considerable industrial base to draw from in Gujarat in any case.
Why this bias against Gujarat and Gujaratis? Am sure Adanis and Ambanis are as patriotic as Tatas if not more. Uproar that you usually hear with anything related to the 2 A’s usually comes from media houses aligned to a now insignificant political party. The majority of India sees the 2 A’s as a matter of pride for India and big contributors (past and future) to Indias growth story. We need all of these big companies plus a lot more for us to become a top economy.
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