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Old 21st June 2018, 16:30   #1
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MAN Trucks might exit India

I don't know much about the CV industry, so cannot comment, but just heard a rumour that MAN Trucks is also in trouble. It's going to be out of India anytime between now and 2020.
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but just heard a rumour that MAN Trucks is also in trouble.
I'm not speculating here; but since they came to India, MAN was not able to penetrate into the market the way a new entrant would want.
I haven't seen much of these truck on our roads (at least in southern part of our country) except for few dump trucks and semi trailer trucks.

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I don't know much about the CV industry, so cannot comment, but just heard a rumour that MAN Trucks is also in trouble. It's going to be out of India anytime between now and 2020.
Who owns MAN and Scania

VAG! - The dieselgate fallout means they can only focus on short-term big fish!
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MAN Trucks India suspends operations - Likely to exit India.

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the OEM could be closing down its operations within the next six months or so. Support to existing customers will continue for longer
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The Board of MAN Truck & Bus AG has decided to stop all on-going projects in India. The Management Team at MAN Trucks in India has been asked to review the situation and present its proposals to the Board for future steps. The team is currently reviewing the same

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Re: MAN Trucks might exit India

Damn, so the birdie was right. Moving to a new thread.

Related discussion on Scania (Scania India in big trouble)
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I'm not speculating here; but since they came to India, MAN was not able to penetrate into the market the way a new entrant would want.
I haven't seen much of these truck on our roads (at least in southern part of our country) except for few dump trucks and semi trailer trucks.

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Thats a pretty poor staying power. MAN has been around in India for what, about 4 years max? They quit in 4 years?

I don't quite understand it. Anyway, I hope one good fallout of the biggies entering and then leaving India, is that they're raising the bar, and the domestic (TM, AL, Mahindra) are therefore hopefully improving their products.

Anyone has sales numbers for all the CV makers (category-wise)? TM, AL, Eicher, Mahindra, Bharat Benz, MAN?

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Thats a pretty poor staying power. MAN has been around in India for what, about 4 years max? They quit in 4 years?
Nope MAN has been in India for decades, through JV. Only in 2006-07 they took over the JV.
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Re: MAN Trucks might exit India

MAN was a popular brand with quarries and road contractors, the biggest customer segment in Kerala at least. The segment has shifted en masse to Bharat Benz, the trucks are cheaper and more importantly have the same productivity. MAN is well engineered, but cash heavy businesses can't invest in the long term, you never know what legislation will eat into your income.

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Man had a decent beginning. Saw the initial lot in 2014 in the small town Udaipur and it was different to see quite a few people opting for a non Tata truck that too when there are no good sales of mahindra or ashok Leyland either. Safe to say it got an above lukewarm reception. They could have picked things up better. Hardly 5 years and exiting isn't a good move at all.
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Re: MAN Trucks might exit India

I think the Indian CV market is even more price sensitive than the car market. There is no room ($$$) for even having basic creature comforts for drivers.

As long as Ashok Leyland and Tata keep churning out cheap buses and trucks, international companies can't compete unless the truck is for a specialized application.
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Sad that MAN could not leverage a household name in India - Shaktiman trucks.

The shaktiman truck was based on an original MAN design, and early batches had German components from MAN.

Vehicle Factory Jabalpur built the shaktiman truck for decades targeted at army usage, and once they were disposed off by the army, the trucks were used for quarries / sand / brick / dump / whatnot until they literally fell into pieces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktiman_truck
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Sad that MAN could not leverage a household name in India - Shaktiman trucks.
Jeep isn't able to capitalise on its own brand name, although Indians have been using Mahindra "Jeep" for ages now.
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I think the Indian CV market is even more price sensitive than the car market. There is no room ($$$) for even having basic creature comforts for drivers.

As long as Ashok Leyland and Tata keep churning out cheap buses and trucks, international companies can't compete unless the truck is for a specialized application.
Absolutely. And AL + Tata leverage their dealership network and ability to deep discount + Finance their products quite well to kill competition. Its a oligopoly in many segments. Bharat Benz is surviving only because of local manufacturing, deep pockets of Daimler group, support from Daimler financial services + leveraging some FUSO expertise. Even they grossly missed their initial sales targets and aren't really making the volumes they expected.
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Re: MAN Trucks might exit India

Basically, fleet owners have not matured in terms of cost/km thinking. I remember talking to a persons handling truck finance for Volvos on behalf of ANZ Grindlays.

The mentality was that it wa profitable to spend Rs 12 lakhs on a 10 tonne truck, overload it, discard it, rather than spend Rs 40 L on a Volvo.

The foreign brand trucks only come into play when high BHP is require for mining and other applications.

This all will change when the government starts cracking down on overloading
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Old 18th July 2018, 09:05   #15
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This all will change when the government starts cracking down on overloading
Which is unlikely - Today's news says that freight capacity is being increased by 20-25% - more or less legalizing overloading to a certain extent. Of course real overloading is more like 100-200% of rated capacity.
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