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Old 12th August 2019, 14:30   #16
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A noob question to the van owners/experts here- do the TT/Winger have variants which have seat belts? I often see school children being ferried in these vans without seat belts. Is there a reason why buyers dont prefer the variant with seat belts? Are they prohibitively expensive?

My humble request to OP. If you are buying a van, please pick one with seat belts and please enforce their usage.
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Old 12th August 2019, 18:07   #17
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If you like EECO so much, why not go ahead and buy another.
It has AC, airbag and ABS now, the only extra cost for you would be that of extra driver for 2nd van.

But woudnt that save you lot of money upfront?
It will also give you lot of flexibility IMO and faster pickups for all kids.

This honestly might be the best option. You need to evaluate lower upfront cost of buying one more Eeco vs higher running / operating costs of 2 vehicles.

A broad thumb rule:
  1. If the additional annual operating cost for two Eecos works out to less than about 10% of the upfront cost saving, its almost definitely worth it.
  2. If additional op cost is more than 20% of upfront savings, you're likely better off with one larger Traveler.
  3. Anything in between is a grey area - ultimately a subjective call

As you say, fuel costs won't double: mileage of each Eeco will less with the route divided up. Plus I guess the Eeco is more fuel efficient than a heavy traveler.

You may need to evaluate maintenance costs of 2 Eecos vs 1 Traveller, but with your limited running, this too may not be much.

If insurance is per seat, two Eecos may be cost more on this count. On other hand, you get more seat-capacity to accommodate future expansion. Flexibility in route planning = can cover large radius + cater to smaller batches better.

The one big downside (besides operating costs) I see is the sliding door. But a careful attendant + child locks could take care of this.
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Old 12th August 2019, 18:45   #18
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The Trax school van is targeted towards rural areas.
Stay away from Winger. It's very high maintenance and even the dealers have a problem procuring parts.
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For school, you can get a 9 seater Traveller. It can be registered in 'T' category and does not require per seat tax on a quarterly basis that a vehicle registered in 'P' category does.
The 9 seater traveller may be a bit too much of an overkill for us, and the dealer did not recommend (probably slow moving from his end).

"P" category is something that we havent inquired as yet. Need to figure our whether the RTO rules affect any.


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For schools, Bal Vahini rules allow you to have 1.5 times the registered capacity of the vehicle. Check in your state. So a 9 seater allows you to carry 13 students.
Sure. Thanks so much for the constructive info Alfresco - Noted them all down

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Of-course after meeting basic requirements like seating capacity, the next objective is to minimize the down time.

The bus will need to go to the garage sometimes, if not for accidental repairs yet periodic maintenance will be there.

If ASS is close to you, you can get it serviced on weekend and get it same day. Also watch out for popularity of other buses in your vicinity. If there are plenty of Force Travellers in your area, then the availability of parts will also be easy.

As a school bus, you can not afford bus to be off duty for long period unless you have a back-up plan.
Rightly said. Infact ASS are all in reach - closest one being a large Force ASS and Body shop in about 5 mins from our school. Another 3 KM radius - we will find all the other Mahindra, Tata, Eicher and Suzuki

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I have Eicher, Force traveller, Tata, Mahindra and Ashok Leyland in my school. I would rate Eicher and Mahindra best among the lot.

If you need a small carrier, nothing beats Force traveller, specially the 120 bhp version. It's very fuel efficient and pretty easy to drive.

One more tip, you can bargain on ex showroom prices for buses unlike cars. They would quote 19 lakhs, but you can close the deal at 16, even 15.5 if you can bargain.

Please avoid eeco. It's unsafe. And more the seating capacity, more is the insurance you will have to pay. I pay 80k insurance for a 60 seater bus every year, and also be prepared to spend for annual FC(we have to repaint and replace stickers and fire extinguisher every year before FC) if you are planning a school bus. Or else you can just buy a 15 seater Traveller and register it as T board.
Thanks so much PrasannaDhana - never got into the bargaining side with the dealer as yet - but shall surely keep that in mind.

Now I have "P" board and "T" board learn about.

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Being a pre-school, the attendance year on year may not be constant unlike a regular school. So this is something you might have to think about.
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Tempo Traveller is your best option.Lot of international schools in Bangalore use them,and of course they are fitted with AC as well .
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A noob question to the van owners/experts here- do the TT/Winger have variants which have seat belts? I often see school children being ferried in these vans without seat belts. Is there a reason why buyers dont prefer the variant with seat belts? Are they prohibitively expensive?
There are versions with Seat Belts for Traveller. I am sure the Winder with independent bucket seats might have as well.

The Eeco has seat belts but impractical to use - that too for small kids.

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My humble request to OP. If you are buying a van, please pick one with seat belts and please enforce their usage.
Hi Satish - it would be tough to fit in ones with Seatbelts - but lap belts would be practical, given that I am talking about kids between 2-4 years of age. But your opinion is duly noted - and I shall enforce the same.

Thanks, everyone for the insights - my quest for the vehicles have been hit by delay due to the situation in the state and our efforts are directed at something else. However, while things are calming down - sharing the pic of the latest 17 seater Force I quickly inspected and some quick update.

13+ Seater Van for my School - Force Traveller or any other?-tt1.jpg
Nothing beats the looks and the best angle

13+ Seater Van for my School - Force Traveller or any other?-tt2.jpg
The version starts with non-reclinable standard seats, with anti-skid flooring. Nice grab handles - like large buses are there right close to the front door - would really help kids in climbing the low steps and would also help maids in supporting them alight the bus

13+ Seater Van for my School - Force Traveller or any other?-tt3.jpg
Seats are quite neat, but storing the bags would be the challenge, they said the storages could be added. Didn't spend ample time to discuss the configurations and additional accessories. Everything including the reclining seats is all available - as factory fitment - or with the dealer.

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These wiper blades were a shocker to me - while I couldn't digest the wiper blade that my Ecosport had off the showroom.

13+ Seater Van for my School - Force Traveller or any other?-tt4.jpg
A quick pic to show the variety and configurations of the Force Traveller range in one shot - this pic has almost all the configurations (even though - it ain't a great pic)
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Do fit a speed governor in the bus, and appoint trained drivers and caretaker. If possible a GPS tracker, with the link to track it available to preschool management as well as the parents, even a camera with a live feed will reduce the anxiety of the parents.

More than the school building, its the school bus that is more visible in the eyes of the public, and will bring you more pupil, so its good to maintain it in the best possible way. I wish you good luck for your venture.
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Not suggesting anything but wanted to point out a brilliant feature in the Winger. The front door has those hinges which keep the door steady, even on a slope so they don't close abruptly and cause injuries. A smart and subtle feature IMHO that no one else offers.
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Old 29th August 2019, 17:19   #21
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Dear contributors to the page, at the outset - based on the thoughts shared by you, I realise that my objective of the exercise itself was flawed essentially as I did not look at the problem and I was just working back from a solution for my interest in automotive.

We did look at our challenge, and somehow build reworked a couple of route plans and have derived at the exact pain point.

1. My current route plan with 4 trips for preschool: 2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon is currently running on its optimal capacity and we are currently good there.
2. In the evening for the kids after school - we have 3 trips: One which goes out to pick up 2 kids, at 5 to drop 3 kids and at 5:30 for around 8 kids (age of above 7 to 13).

Operationally for the trips around our facility for the short pickups and drops with less than 4-5 kids. Force traveller / Winger might be overkill (operationally) compared to an Eeco (I am not keen on Winger now).

And what we have done now, is since the 5:30 trip is almost 8 to 9 KM long, we have split that into 2 and have hired a Mahindra Supro to drop the kids in the shortest proximity with less than 5 kids, while our Van does the longer route.

So our future expansion need not have a larger Van, but as rightly as few of the fellow bhpian suggested another Eeco would serve the purpose.

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1. Zero Maintenance,
2. Fuel Efficiency
3. Best fit for smaller pocket roads, we can pick each kid from their home.
4. Anyone can drive
5. Does short drives well.

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1. We anticipate a new govt rule, like the one in Trivandrum, and as one of the fellow, bhpian mentioned school vans to be at least 12 seats.
2. It will limit our capability as it may eat some resources in case if we plan for a traveller sometime soon.
3. A school with a Force Traveller with our logo and a smaller one has marketing visibility issues.
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Why not the Ertiga? Premium than elcheapo Eeco. And opening, rather than sliding doors.
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