[Sutripta]

How many people can it carry?
In the Indian context, what is its role?

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

You try to protect yourself reasonably from 85% of the threats.

The Maoists favourite ploy is the IED buried in the road.

Sutripta

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

How many people can it carry?
In the Indian context, what is its role?


The Moaists favourite ploy is the IED buried in the road.

Sutripta

Again judging by the way this subsidiary is structured, I think it's mainly targeting the expat market or at least the Middle Eastern market. I would imagine that Mahindra Defence would directly be contracted for any sales for the Indian market.

Again, if I had to say I imagine it'll probably find use in para military purposes really. And a cursory google leads me to this link which mostly lists a whole variety of Tata products and Mahindra ones that seem to fit the bill that this would.
https://gomechanic.in/blog/top-10-indian-army-vehicles/

Also this hardly looks like the kind of vehicle you'd use in regions with a buried IED or mine threat. You'd want a taller MPV, mine protected vehicle, with some sort of underbody shaping (V shaped) and strengthening to both redirect the blast waves from the main cabin and dissipate the force.

[Sutripta]

Originally Posted by ads11

Also this hardly looks like the kind of vehicle you'd use in regions with a buried IED or mine threat. You'd want a taller MPV, mine protected vehicle, with some sort of underbody shaping (V shaped) and strengthening to both redirect the blast waves from the main cabin and dissipate the force.

I think some were tried. (possibly Denel designs. Could be wrong). Did not work. Apparently the the Maoists were taught (by?) to increase the IED charge somewhat, and set it off under/ near the rear axle. Incapacitated the vehicle, and the personnel inside.

Sutripta

[BoneCollector]

This snap of the beast was shared by my cousin. He received it in a Telegram group. The vehicle looks to be undergoing high altitude testing and possibly bears the Olive Green colour.

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

I think some were tried. (possibly Denel designs. Could be wrong). Did not work. Apparently the the Maoists were taught (by?) to increase the IED charge somewhat, and set it off under/ near the rear axle. Incapacitated the vehicle, and the personnel inside.

Sutripta

I suppose at that point you'd have no other option but to use a big old MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicle like the giant models offered by Oshkosh for example. We pretty much saw the blueprint in Iraq, once attrition losses to IEDs in urban environments became too high and no amount of up armouring could save them, you saw more and more MRAPs being used by the US and allied troops. Towards the latter end of the conflict I don't think they'd venture out in anything but an MRAP for anything above a totally sanitised battlespace.

I'm not altogether very clued in on the Maoist threat and the conditions in those regions but if the IED threat is that high then I suppose security forces will have no option but to use MRAP vehicles. I mean that's the only reasonable escalation I can say for domestic use, it's incredibly problematic I would find if you had heavier armoured vehicles like IFVs or any really tracked vehicles being used because that opens up a world of pain from the optics point of view.

Originally Posted by BoneCollector

This snap of the beast was shared by my cousin. He received it in a Telegram group. The vehicle looks to be undergoing high altitude testing and possibly bears the Olive Green colour.

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This is cool, certainly looks like an ALSV being tested. I find it interesting that instead of the Hummer that people are incorrectly drawing analogies too, this ASLV has the sort of giant bloated nose heavy look of the vehicle that ended up replacing the Hummer in US use, the Oshkosh L-ATV
REF:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV

[SmartCat]

Originally Posted by Sutripta

I think some were tried. (possibly Denel designs. Could be wrong). Did not work. Apparently the Maoists were taught (by?) to increase the IED charge somewhat, and set it off under/ near the rear axle. Incapacitated the vehicle, and the personnel inside.

Not Denel particularly, but our mine protected vehicle is based on South African origin Casspir. Of course, no vehicle is immune to IEDs beyond a particular explosive weight. 60 tonne Abrams tanks were blown up by IEDs in Iraq. The Maoists eventually figured out how much explosives are needed to blow up Indian Casspir.

Now some of these vehicles are used in Kashmir to bring armed troops right into the conflict zone (For example, when there is intelligence report that terrorists are holed up in a village):



Perhaps the role of Mahindra ALSV is to insert senior officers into the conflict zone or perhaps for patrolling close to LoC. Tata, Ashok Leyland and Force Motors too have displayed models similar to Mahindra ALSV.

[CarJunki]

Well i look at these as slightly better than the Gypsy and grill protected utility vehicles sometimes used. Surely more protective against stone pelting which became quite common in some areas. Anything more intense will result in negative outcomes.

The information specially illicit (some may call it exciting) travels quite fast. It is like fake news travels 8 times faster than correct news.

[SnakemanJohny]

Well, most Mahindra vehicles built for the armed forces are wussies in tiger's clothings. MM550 was one such -- was to replace the Nissan Jonga -- but quite unsuccessful.

What caught my attention is that this will be our first multi-fuel vehicle after the Shaktimaan. That 4WD truck, in its original MAN avatar had a variable compression engine, which meant it could run on petrol, diesel, kerosene (or as some users joked, even rum). That feature was later discontinued at Jabbalpur.

Another thing I noticed is the LHD/RHD option. Means Mahindra is targeting export markets.

And yes, portal axles would be better, for more ground clearance and better protection of the underbelly.

[Sutripta]

Originally Posted by SnakemanJohny

That 4WD truck, in its original MAN avatar had a variable compression engine, which meant it could run on petrol, diesel, kerosene (or as some users joked, even rum).

Multifuel - yes. Variable compression - no.

Sutripta

[Zapper]

On a similar note, Mahindra's MPV (Mine protected vehicles) in UN ops

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Originally Posted by Zapper

On a similar note, Mahindra's MPV (Mine protected vehicles) in UN ops

Thanks for these, nice to see them in the crisp white paint scheme. Looks though from the first and last photo that they aren't MPV's but rather up armoured light personnel carriers, sort of in the Oshkosh JLTV or Renault Sherpa vein. Was a bit amused to see the prominent red Mahindra stickers but then I reminded myself that it's simply the name of the game now. LockMart never passes up an opportunity to squeeze in their logo on any platform for eg, so why should Mahindra be any different.

The one thing I found particular is the articulated arm mounting point. Looking at it, looks like it has the ability to have spinning flail attachments at the end to trigger mine blasts ahead of the vehicle. What I find peculiar is how all of that seems to be mounted on one end of the front fender so to speak. I wager that it's mounted much more robustly than it looks, given that the vehicle is essentially made of two separate parts, that being the frame and the body (in this case the shell containing the personnel). Just looks a bit precarious to me is all.

This leads me to question though. What sort of kit does the IA send on UN peacekeeping missions? Do they end up sending tried and tested kit or is this an opportunity to perhaps field test slightly newer products or indigenously produced kit?

[Zapper]

Originally Posted by ads11

Thanks for these, nice to see them in the crisp white paint scheme. Looks though from the first and last photo that they aren't MPV's but rather up armoured light personnel carriers, sort of in the Oshkosh JLTV or Renault Sherpa vein. Was a bit amused to see the prominent red Mahindra stickers but then I reminded myself that it's simply the name of the game now. LockMart never passes up an opportunity to squeeze in their logo on any platform for eg, so why should Mahindra be any different.

The one thing I found particular is the articulated arm mounting point. Looking at it, looks like it has the ability to have spinning flail attachments at the end to trigger mine blasts ahead of the vehicle. What I find peculiar is how all of that seems to be mounted on one end of the front fender so to speak. I wager that it's mounted much more robustly than it looks, given that the vehicle is essentially made of two separate parts, that being the frame and the body (in this case the shell containing the personnel). Just looks a bit precarious to me is all.

This leads me to question though. What sort of kit does the IA send on UN peacekeeping missions? Do they end up sending tried and tested kit or is this an opportunity to perhaps field test slightly newer products or indigenously produced kit?

My bad, I should've mentioned the models for the pictures posted.

The first and last pictures are of Mahindra's Armored Light Specialist Vehicle while the others are based on Mahindra's MPV including the ambulance variant

Regarding IA's kits in UN mission, the basic personal assault rifle and gear is the same as what's been assigned to them in India except for the blue helmets. Vehicles are independent and at times procured directly by the UN and given to UN troops on peacekeeping missions. There is no evidence of IA ever procuring Mahindra's APCs nor MPVs. I believe UN must've procured these Mahindra vehicles directly instead of IA. Even in Kashmir where troops are more prone to IED attacks, IA uses DRDO/OFB's Aditya MPV while JKP-SOG uses Tata's MPV


Here you can see JKP-SOG's Tata MPV, IA's OFB Aditya MPV and Takshak APC

[stewie]

Whoa!

1300 LSV's ordered by Indian Army from Mahindra.

Source: https://twitter.com/livefist/status/...789890565?s=20

[Rigid Rotor]

Good News indeed!

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1706618

That's a substantial order for 1,300 Light Specialist Vehicles to the Indian Army, at a cost of INR 1,056 crore to be supplied over a period of four years.

The vehicle looks its part - mean and functional! I am sure it would have done well during the field trials with the Army.

The ALSV has claimed ballistic protection up to B7, STANAG Level II. Carries 4 crew members and an additional 400 kg payload.

I believe its an excellent overdue induction - moves towards the 'Atmanirbarbharat' objective.

Some forum members were dissing it as a HUMVEE design ripoff, etc. Take a look at designs of LSVs worldwide - they tend to have a family likeness - its more of form following function, unlike designs of passenger vehicles, which are dictated by consumer preferences or design philosophies of manufacturers.

An LSV is expected to have high ground clearance, good approach, break-over and departure angles, have standard mil sized run-flat tyres, vee-shaped hull, armour protection , etc. Put all those together and designs will tend to look alike!

Re- use of portal axles (or its absence in Mahindra's LSV - as pointed out by a member) - there are pluses and minuses of its use - the HUMVEE had a reputation of breaking its axle(s) breaks in the field. Its replacement today - the Oshkosh L-ATV does not appear to have portal axles.

[Reinhard]

Great news - for Mahindra, for the servicemen & all of us in general! And also - off late its good to see that the procurement approvals are for significantly larger unit numbers compared to the numbers I grew up reading in news.

Such a strong (at least in looks for that matter) looking vehicles in thousands - is what is certainly needed when projecting power to adversaries on a regular basis in visual distances on the frontline. Helps the psychological side of things quite a bit IMO. In quite a few leaked videos during the Ladakh stand-offs it was visible that the Chinese side came right upto the fight-sites with pretty strong ATVs / armored infantry vehicles, while our brave men were on foot or with Gypsies and Safaris. Of course this vehicle has been in tests since quite a while now. Have been seeing it here and there in news / exhibitions etc. Must have been in user trials for a significant time also.

Its fantastic that at least as a reaction - such strong orders are being fast tracked. Good luck to Mahindra & hopefully this vehicles will pack a punch.