Tata Motors introduces Magic and Winger

ranc · 9th July 2007, 14:55

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Originally Posted by speedzak

I'm going for a TD of the winger. It looks very appealing to me.

Speedzak any luck on the TD, can you also get the pricing of the different variants when you go for the TD.

weejai · 9th July 2007, 15:40

In the last month, I had been to a remote village in the interiors of Kranatka and saw 100s of Force Toofan and no Tavera, Qualis or Sumo. While I started talking to the drivers, I was shoked to know the following creteria that a vehicle must meet to be purchased:

1. If the vehicle is a 12 to 15 seater, it must be capable of running even with about 25 people pushed into it.

2. Almost 90% of vehicles have atleast 2 people sitting on the top

3. The area has a little up-hill and down-hill travelling and the vehicle must pull this load without much issues

4. Repair must be simple, quick and cheap. Nobody is willing to leave the vehicles in the garage for days

5. The body should eventually rust out (it rains regularly) but not dent, or break

Keeping such requirements in mind, I am not sure how will this Magic create magic or winger won't be shown a 'finger'? Well, we will know in due course of time...

directinjection · 9th July 2007, 16:36

Could somebody please explain exactly what is the positioning of the Magic?

If it's pitted against the Minidors and Vikrams, then it is too expensive. If it's pitted against the Omni, then it doesn't have matching features like all-steel body and independent front suspension.

Or am I missing something here?

Yes I know Magic is diesel powered.

spadival · 9th July 2007, 20:06

Dunno about the production version, but the ground clearance of the test vehicle of Winger is soo low near the rear bumper, that it would literally need to grow "wings" to prevent scraping the ground, in inclines, extra large humps etc.

But I guess its fully loaded, because I could see black cans (water filled?) inside.

prashanthyr · 12th July 2007, 18:21

I think Tata should restrict the Magic to rural/semi urban markets....it's way too rudimentary for urban markets

ranc · 14th July 2007, 18:59

Guys

ANy luck with the TD, all you puneites can you help us with the TD and the pricing.

hellspawn · 15th July 2007, 00:24

sorry for going

but i almost read the thread title as "zinger" instead of winger....that reminds me..im hungry

kvish · 18th July 2007, 13:03

Just saw a Tata Magic on my way to work.

The real plus point seemed to be the performance which I was really doubtful until I saw it. It was doing really decent speeds and that too with 4 passengers including the driver. He could easily drive with the other cars doing 50kmph.
I think OMNI fleet has some serious competition. Already the ACE pickups are doing really well.

ranc · 18th July 2007, 15:27

The website of the winger is partially up, one can download the brochure which gives the specs.

TATA Winger

maxbhp · 27th July 2007, 09:08

For more details log on to TATA Motors

Hellcat · 27th July 2007, 09:41

Good for Ambulance and cargo IMHO.

Hellcat.

dadu · 27th July 2007, 09:48

I would say that the high roof one is ideal for ambulance.

prasadee · 27th July 2007, 10:41

I think the Magic will be much safer than the 3 wheeled Bajaj Autos. All auto drivers carrying more than 3 people need to be fined/arrested on the spot. I have seen way too many autos toppling as a result of carrying way too many people or cargo.

ramzsys · 27th July 2007, 10:54

narrow roads+call centre cabs+tata magic+ tata 1L car=???

madan80 · 27th July 2007, 11:15

wow -tata's entering another market segment - with the ACE they managed to pull a trump card - i think this is going to be another of those. The Mahindra voyager came out a while back - a CKD of a mitsubishi - it bombed. I hope tata's got its service in place. It looks ideal for delivery -esp white goods- going where the 407 cant go and taking a load that the auto cannot take.

ACtually coming to think of its - this is going to hit Tempo traveller BIG time. Not as large - but a configuration. Its going to be come the taxi operators fav instead of the travera / innova.

9th July 2007, 15:40	#47
weejai BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore/Mumbai Posts: 89 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	In the last month, I had been to a remote village in the interiors of Kranatka and saw 100s of Force Toofan and no Tavera, Qualis or Sumo. While I started talking to the drivers, I was shoked to know the following creteria that a vehicle must meet to be purchased: 1. If the vehicle is a 12 to 15 seater, it must be capable of running even with about 25 people pushed into it. 2. Almost 90% of vehicles have atleast 2 people sitting on the top 3. The area has a little up-hill and down-hill travelling and the vehicle must pull this load without much issues 4. Repair must be simple, quick and cheap. Nobody is willing to leave the vehicles in the garage for days 5. The body should eventually rust out (it rains regularly) but not dent, or break Keeping such requirements in mind, I am not sure how will this Magic create magic or winger won't be shown a 'finger'? Well, we will know in due course of time...
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9th July 2007, 16:36	#48
directinjection Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Faridabad/Delhi Posts: 1,703 Thanked: 780 Times	Could somebody please explain exactly what is the positioning of the Magic? If it's pitted against the Minidors and Vikrams, then it is too expensive. If it's pitted against the Omni, then it doesn't have matching features like all-steel body and independent front suspension. Or am I missing something here? Yes I know Magic is diesel powered. Last edited by directinjection : 9th July 2007 at 16:37.
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9th July 2007, 20:06	#49
spadival Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 1,773 Thanked: 26 Times View My Garage	Dunno about the production version, but the ground clearance of the test vehicle of Winger is soo low near the rear bumper, that it would literally need to grow "wings" to prevent scraping the ground, in inclines, extra large humps etc. But I guess its fully loaded, because I could see black cans (water filled?) inside.
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12th July 2007, 18:21	#50
prashanthyr BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 546 Thanked: 249 Times	I think Tata should restrict the Magic to rural/semi urban markets....it's way too rudimentary for urban markets
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14th July 2007, 18:59	#51
ranc BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lost somewhere on the Leh Manali hway Posts: 516 Thanked: 14 Times	Guys ANy luck with the TD, all you puneites can you help us with the TD and the pricing.
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15th July 2007, 00:24	#52
hellspawn Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: noida Posts: 1,686 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	sorry for going but i almost read the thread title as "zinger" instead of winger....that reminds me..im hungry
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18th July 2007, 13:03	#53
kvish BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 627 Thanked: 195 Times	Just saw a Tata Magic on my way to work. The real plus point seemed to be the performance which I was really doubtful until I saw it. It was doing really decent speeds and that too with 4 passengers including the driver. He could easily drive with the other cars doing 50kmph. I think OMNI fleet has some serious competition. Already the ACE pickups are doing really well.
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18th July 2007, 15:27	#54
ranc BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lost somewhere on the Leh Manali hway Posts: 516 Thanked: 14 Times	The website of the winger is partially up, one can download the brochure which gives the specs. TATA Winger
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27th July 2007, 09:08	#55
maxbhp Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: C C K Posts: 1,382 Thanked: 89 Times View My Garage	Tata Winger Launched !!! For more details log on to TATA Motors
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27th July 2007, 09:41	#56
Hellcat BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 222 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	Good for Ambulance and cargo IMHO. Hellcat.
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27th July 2007, 09:48	#57
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,803 Thanked: 462 Times View My Garage	I would say that the high roof one is ideal for ambulance.
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27th July 2007, 10:41	#58
prasadee BANNED Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 569 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	I think the Magic will be much safer than the 3 wheeled Bajaj Autos. All auto drivers carrying more than 3 people need to be fined/arrested on the spot. I have seen way too many autos toppling as a result of carrying way too many people or cargo.
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27th July 2007, 10:54	#59
ramzsys Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NH209 Posts: 1,775 Thanked: 1,462 Times	narrow roads+call centre cabs+tata magic+ tata 1L car=???
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27th July 2007, 11:15	#60
madan80 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,360 Thanked: 80 Times View My Garage	wow -tata's entering another market segment - with the ACE they managed to pull a trump card - i think this is going to be another of those. The Mahindra voyager came out a while back - a CKD of a mitsubishi - it bombed. I hope tata's got its service in place. It looks ideal for delivery -esp white goods- going where the 407 cant go and taking a load that the auto cannot take. ACtually coming to think of its - this is going to hit Tempo traveller BIG time. Not as large - but a configuration. Its going to be come the taxi operators fav instead of the travera / innova. Last edited by madan80 : 27th July 2007 at 11:18.
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