TATA Motors Ace Truck-Signs of the future?

Mpower · 16th October 2005, 04:02

OmniLPG makes peak torque of 5.8 kgm at 2250 rpm and Ace of 3.8 mkg at 2000 rpm. The numbers I previously quoted were from M800 which has the same engine. That should be plenty of torque at low enough rpm to match the ace if not out-haul it.

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Mpower · 16th October 2005, 04:20

Another contender that could shake up things.

16th October 2005, 06:57

Two cylinder inline is amongst the worst layout possible for an engine from vibrations perspective. Could affect long term reliability.

Three cylinder balancer shaft unit would have been better.

ananthkamath · 16th October 2005, 09:39

Has anyone seen or heard of the Arjun- it looks a lot like that Minifour thingy....Dolphin suspension front and rear; single cylinder water-cooled diesel engine, and Jeep gearbox; its built by a sister concern of Sipani Automobiles.

Mpower · 16th October 2005, 09:57

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Originally Posted by SuperSyn

Two cylinder inline is amongst the worst layout possible for an engine from vibrations perspective. Could affect long term reliability.

Three cylinder balancer shaft unit would have been better.

Next time you see a Piaggio Ape idling, look under the tailgate and you'll see that thumper shaking away to glory. Twins are much better.

Mpower · 16th October 2005, 10:24

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Originally Posted by ananthkamath

Don't you think the Ace front suspension is too antediluvian for a Omni-like van?

Havent found any info on the front susp, except that its a leaf spring. is the cab of the ace mounted on rubber bushes?

Steeroid · 16th October 2005, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Mpower

Another contender that could shake up things.

It looks like Force took their existing 3-wheeler and just added a 4th wheel to it...that driver's cabin looks pathetic. I suppose they will be able to offer it at a lower cost because they've done a very basic job...this is what happens when there are no guidelines for basic requirements for such goods (and people) carriers - even roadside mechanics can put together a contraption like this...shouldnt there be minimum safety requirements at least? Or is it that life is cheaper lower down the economic order?

ananthkamath · 16th October 2005, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Mpower

Havent found any info on the front susp, except that its a leaf spring. is the cab of the ace mounted on rubber bushes?

I think so....but I am not a 100% on that.

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Or is it that life is cheaper lower down the economic order?

You betcha! And this is not an isolated case peculiar to India, the world over you find that safety norms (if any) are not as stringent as those for passenger vehicles.

jkdas · 17th October 2005, 00:37

tata brought daewoo's truck divison at s.korea right? so maybe this ace is actually a korean one

and its 2 cylinder one??? and bhp? damn, i thought it was some 4 cylinder one

RX135 · 17th October 2005, 01:00

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

It looks like Force took their existing 3-wheeler and just added a 4th wheel to it...<snip>.....Or is it that life is cheaper lower down the economic order?

Minidor, that they(Force) already have in market as 3 wheeler, is a rickety-ricket on 3 wheels. The whole damn thing shakes like sitting right on epicenter of 8.0 scale earthquake. After going through this thread, I happened to see a Minidor and Ace standing side by side. While Ace is by no means great shake, it was clearly far superior to Minidor in every sense. I always have it against Tempo and Bajaj for giving us sub-standard vehicles year after year. Motorcyles is the only place they have done something better, I guess, due to fierce competition post licence raj.

17th October 2005, 07:53

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Originally Posted by Mpower

Next time you see a Piaggio Ape idling, look under the tailgate and you'll see that thumper shaking away to glory. Twins are much better.

I am talking about inline twins, not V or horizontally opposed. Please educate me how inline twin layout is 'better'.

ananthkamath · 17th October 2005, 09:35

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Originally Posted by SuperSyn

I am talking about inline twins, not V or horizontally opposed. Please educate me how inline twin layout is 'better'.

Theoretically what you are saying may be right, but in practice the converse is true: the Ace engine is much less coarse and unrefined than the single-cylinder Ape and GC1000 engines....of course, this may also have to do with the fact that the latter are air-cooled and the former is liquid cooled....

ajmat · 21st February 2006, 15:56

6 months on, I like these vehicles, not too slow like those painful Apes, Minidor's, Mahindra 3 wheeler thingees to slow us down yet not too fast like the matadors etc to drive us off road

A good product and well positioned

amitoj · 21st February 2006, 16:08

... But awfully rash though.

tifosikrishna · 21st February 2006, 16:09

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Originally Posted by ajmat

6 months on, I like these vehicles, not too slow like those painful Apes, Minidor's, Mahindra 3 wheeler thingees to slow us down yet not too fast like the matadors etc to drive us off road

A good product and well positioned

Thats very true ajmat. Ace has been very well positioned in the market. I once had a chance to sit in the driver seat, and it was pretty decent. It even has headlight adjustment (to change angle of the beam) thingy in it....

i heard around 15 new vehicles are registered every day in a small city like trichy.

16th October 2005, 04:02	#31
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	OmniLPG makes peak torque of 5.8 kgm at 2250 rpm and Ace of 3.8 mkg at 2000 rpm. The numbers I previously quoted were from M800 which has the same engine. That should be plenty of torque at low enough rpm to match the ace if not out-haul it. http://yahoo.indiacar.com/index2.asp...RUTI+UDYOG+LTD Last edited by Mpower : 16th October 2005 at 04:21.
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16th October 2005, 04:20	#32
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	Presenting the Minifour by Force Motors Another contender that could shake up things.
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16th October 2005, 06:57	#33
SuperSyn Posts: n/a	Two cylinder inline is amongst the worst layout possible for an engine from vibrations perspective. Could affect long term reliability. Three cylinder balancer shaft unit would have been better.
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16th October 2005, 09:39	#34
ananthkamath Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mangalore Posts: 1,209 Thanked: 80 Times View My Garage	Has anyone seen or heard of the Arjun- it looks a lot like that Minifour thingy....Dolphin suspension front and rear; single cylinder water-cooled diesel engine, and Jeep gearbox; its built by a sister concern of Sipani Automobiles.
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17th October 2005, 00:37	#39
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	tata brought daewoo's truck divison at s.korea right? so maybe this ace is actually a korean one and its 2 cylinder one??? and bhp? damn, i thought it was some 4 cylinder one
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21st February 2006, 15:56	#43
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,864 Thanked: 27,973 Times View My Garage	6 months on, I like these vehicles, not too slow like those painful Apes, Minidor's, Mahindra 3 wheeler thingees to slow us down yet not too fast like the matadors etc to drive us off road A good product and well positioned
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21st February 2006, 16:08	#44
amitoj Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Windham, NH USA Posts: 3,348 Thanked: 3,105 Times View My Garage	... But awfully rash though.
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