Scoop!! Tata Ace Van..Killer Of Omni.

harimakesh · 22nd November 2009, 18:58

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Originally Posted by *VT*

This was in news earlier as welll....
Is this one same ? -

Some what looks like "Toyota Hiace" Van in the side profile.

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Originally Posted by benbsb29

The interiors are way better than that on the Omni, and the diesel engine is a definite advantage. Coming to the safety factor, is this any more safer than the Omni if involved in a frontal collision?

Frontal safety questionable. Ace load truck front panel is not metal but moulded fiber glass. Tata added any steel beam re-inforcement in passeger van version?

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

tata must love that particular door handle. Its on pretty much every car tata has designed recently

Cost cutting by using Common parts. High volume (by consumption of common parts ) can also get better quality hoefully!

gshanky · 22nd November 2009, 19:49

Awesome product. Just price all the variants between 2-3 lakhs and it is a given this can sell around 6000 cars per month. I also think electric versions of these are supposed to be sold to USPS through Chrysler america. Now FIAT owns chrysler and so they can market it globally if TATA pull it through.

.anshuman · 22nd November 2009, 20:20

So finally Omni after selling for decades without competition will have some company, Maruti should be worried. Diesel engine would be an advantage to rural customers who do not have access to CNG and LPG.

shortbread · 22nd November 2009, 20:30

From the little thats visible of the headlights/grill I think the front will be similar to the 1ton Ace revealed at the last Expo.
A big disadvantage of the Omini was that the 800cc engine was too weak to power an AC, this should be sorted in the 'Tata Pelican' with the 70 bhp TDI engine.
Since the Omini is soon to be discontinued once the new crash test regulations are introduced and the Versa almost dead, this van will the segment all to itself.

Great work Tushky and thanks for the additional inputs Sidindica.

safari_lover · 22nd November 2009, 20:31

A couple of questions.

Will this vehicle be under 4 meters?
Will the engine be BS 4 compliant?

And, will it be sold from their passenger or the commercial vehicles showroom?

harishnair · 22nd November 2009, 20:37

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Originally Posted by safari_lover

Will this vehicle be under 4 meters?

I guess it should be about the same size as the Tata Ace (3800 mm)

As far as the competition goes there is the Premier Sigma with the TUD-5 diesel engine.

beejay · 22nd November 2009, 20:55

IMO, this can never be a competition for the Omni. At least I think so.

deepclutch · 22nd November 2009, 21:01

TDi Diesel will pass BSIV ? and CRDi are costly engines.

ananth_iy · 22nd November 2009, 21:32

Friends,

TATA already has a van version of the Ace called the Magic (shown below). All this seems to be a version without the tarpaulin and plastic that it comes with today and replaced with metal. Don't you think so?

Or is this an upgraded version of the Magic?

harishnair · 22nd November 2009, 22:07

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Originally Posted by ananth_iy

Friends,

TATA already has a van version of the Ace called the Magic (shown below). All this seems to be a version without the tarpaulin and plastic that it comes with today and replaced with metal. Don't you think so?

Or is this an upgraded version of the Magic?

I guess the new van is based on the Tata Super Ace.
Is the 70bhp Tdi diesel engine the same as in the Super Ace???

Sidindica, does the front view of the van look like this??

Scoop!! Tata Ace Van..Killer Of Omni.-114881.jpg

anekho · 22nd November 2009, 22:07

If it comes in at under 4L with all creature comforts (AC, PS etc) it'll be fantastic. Perfect for the family. Omni, be scared

akhilesh51 · 22nd November 2009, 22:34

So the smoke is visible, fire must be very close

I would reserve my opinion about the picture posted. There may be some surprise when the black covers are removed.

Comrade · 22nd November 2009, 22:42

The interiors and engine are same as ACE 1T(on). Looks like

(ace):(magic)::(ace-1T):(project pelican/microbus).

This is going to be one superhit formula with cabs.

cross posting interior pic of ACE-1T from an old thread.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/114882.jpg

arin_12 · 22nd November 2009, 23:08

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Originally Posted by ananth_iy

Friends,

TATA already has a van version of the Ace called the Magic (shown below). All this seems to be a version without the tarpaulin and plastic that it comes with today and replaced with metal. Don't you think so?

Or is this an upgraded version of the Magic?

I too believe that this is an updated version of the Magic. One of my uncle owns this. Very spacious. The body can be build on Magic too.

VEA · 22nd November 2009, 23:33

the ace currently retails at 3.2 lakhs i guess. that is just engine and metal. considering this, the van will cost above 4.5 lakhs with seats, a/c, p/s etc?

22nd November 2009, 19:49	#17
gshanky BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coimbatore / Bangalore / New York Posts: 717 Thanked: 13 Times	Awesome product. Just price all the variants between 2-3 lakhs and it is a given this can sell around 6000 cars per month. I also think electric versions of these are supposed to be sold to USPS through Chrysler america. Now FIAT owns chrysler and so they can market it globally if TATA pull it through.
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22nd November 2009, 20:20	#18
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	So finally Omni after selling for decades without competition will have some company, Maruti should be worried. Diesel engine would be an advantage to rural customers who do not have access to CNG and LPG.
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22nd November 2009, 20:30	#19
shortbread Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KL 7 Posts: 2,394 Thanked: 6,311 Times	From the little thats visible of the headlights/grill I think the front will be similar to the 1ton Ace revealed at the last Expo. A big disadvantage of the Omini was that the 800cc engine was too weak to power an AC, this should be sorted in the 'Tata Pelican' with the 70 bhp TDI engine. Since the Omini is soon to be discontinued once the new crash test regulations are introduced and the Versa almost dead, this van will the segment all to itself. Great work Tushky and thanks for the additional inputs Sidindica. Last edited by shortbread : 22nd November 2009 at 20:34. Reason: Image did not work
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22nd November 2009, 20:31	#20
safari_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bengaluru / Bagdal Posts: 1,135 Thanked: 685 Times	A couple of questions. Will this vehicle be under 4 meters? Will the engine be BS 4 compliant? And, will it be sold from their passenger or the commercial vehicles showroom? Last edited by safari_lover : 22nd November 2009 at 20:42.
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22nd November 2009, 20:55	#22
beejay Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Nilgiris Posts: 1,963 Thanked: 204 Times View My Garage	IMO, this can never be a competition for the Omni. At least I think so.
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22nd November 2009, 21:01	#23
deepclutch Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Muvattupuzha Posts: 1,165 Thanked: 162 Times	TDi Diesel will pass BSIV ? and CRDi are costly engines.
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22nd November 2009, 21:32	#24
ananth_iy BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 244 Thanked: 22 Times	Friends, TATA already has a van version of the Ace called the Magic (shown below). All this seems to be a version without the tarpaulin and plastic that it comes with today and replaced with metal. Don't you think so? Or is this an upgraded version of the Magic? Attached Images
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22nd November 2009, 22:07	#26
anekho Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: . Posts: 1,995 Thanked: 684 Times	If it comes in at under 4L with all creature comforts (AC, PS etc) it'll be fantastic. Perfect for the family. Omni, be scared
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22nd November 2009, 22:34	#27
akhilesh51 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jaipur, RAJ Posts: 631 Thanked: 339 Times	So the smoke is visible, fire must be very close I would reserve my opinion about the picture posted. There may be some surprise when the black covers are removed.
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22nd November 2009, 22:42	#28
Comrade BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: HYD Posts: 543 Thanked: 1,203 Times	The interiors and engine are same as ACE 1T(on). Looks like (ace):(magic)::(ace-1T):(project pelican/microbus). This is going to be one superhit formula with cabs. cross posting interior pic of ACE-1T from an old thread. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/114882.jpg Last edited by Comrade : 22nd November 2009 at 22:44.
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22nd November 2009, 23:33	#30
VEA BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cochin Posts: 208 Thanked: 151 Times	the ace currently retails at 3.2 lakhs i guess. that is just engine and metal. considering this, the van will cost above 4.5 lakhs with seats, a/c, p/s etc?
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