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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() A little known fact is that the e20 costs a whopping 7.0 - 8.5 lakhs outside of Delhi (i.e. cities where it doesn't receive the same subsidy). Link to Full News Article Quote:
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| ![]() There goes Mr. Anand Mahindra's dream down the drain! With this pricing, M&M should be happy if they are able to sell even 50 units a month outside of Delhi. |
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I hope M&M would disclose the sales figures for E2O from April and we can see it in the monthly Sales Thread. | |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...w/19040907.cms Ha, I thought the 5.96L on road itself was expensive, and now I see this complete picture. ![]() Quote:
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| ![]() Just went down to VVC motors to check out the e2o. They had a couple of cars being washed and cleaned. The sales rep could not offer a test drive today since they were preparing for a "formal" launch in Hyderabad, but we did sit in the car, moved to the rear seat and did a visual check. Overall impression, it looks like a well-built car, especially compared to the Reva. Then came the question of price !!! It comes to Rs.787,849 (T0) and Rs.828,003 (T2). I could not but burst out laughing. The sales guy went in and got someone who looked like his manager and I asked him how many did he honestly hope to sell? He shuffled, smiled and offered me a test drive at my convenience. And on that "happy" note, we parted. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Unlike a laptop, both temperature and SOC of an Electric Vehicle battery are monitored & managed and this enables it to have a much longer life. Same for NiMH...10 y.o Priuses are still running with the same pack. Check this bhpian's review http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...0-000-kms.html Quote:
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| ![]() I just fail to understand why they price these cars so high. Does it really cost so much to manufacture them, compared to a conventional car? They just spent years to develop this one, and position it in a way where it is killed on day 1! At the end of the day, they are selling a mode of personal transport and need to compete with similar products. Not many will pay the premium to be environment friendly. |
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| ![]() Mahindra has launched another white elephant! First spend s 7-8 lacs and then find uninterrupted electricity supply for 5 hours (IIRC if you charge battery for short durations, it affects battery life) Replace battery after a few years by paying Rs 1.5 lacs (Which if you put in a FD would buy you more than 25 litr diesel,i.e 400-450 kms every month for free on interest alone without touching the principal). You can't go more than a claimed 100 km at one go and then wait for 5 hrs to get it fully charged. It's more like a toy for the rich. The initial high cost could be justified only if the running cost was genuinely low without riders like high battery replacement cost. Why should it cost more than a petrol hatch of similar size? I don't think electric vehicles pay as many duties as a regular car does. Mahindra is looking at another Reva as far as sales go! Last edited by rock75 : 20th March 2013 at 10:20. |
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I agree with you only on the last point. In fact, I wondered why none of the EV manufacturers have built in a solar panel on top. Surely parked in a sunny area, it can keep charging itself, instead of getting all hot! The chance of lithium-ion battery prices going up (inflation) is almost NIL. In past 3 years, the Lion battery prices have been coming down, while lead acid has been going up. The reason is simple - Lion didn't have scale, as the manufacturing scales prices will go down. It also had extraction bottlenecks that is being addressed. Worldwide prices are anticipated to go down by half in 5 years. Lithium-Ion is no more harmful than many other chemical substances that we use on everyday basis - plastic, soap, pesticides etc. Lead acid is equally harmful, but that hasn't stopped you from having a battery in your car, instead of cranking it to switch on? These elements can be recycled. If one wants to make a case for something is bad, it can be made of Food too! EVs will succeed not just because it is environmentally better, but that's the only viable technology for next century. You can't keep burning fuel that'll run out in near future<period>. | |
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| ![]() EVs have a different TCO than regular cars. They are not white elephants, they end up costing same (or less) than regular cars if you take 6-10yr ownership cycle. Sadly this is quite possible. Not many people would plonk down large money for a longer term benefit. Most folks do not realize the pleasure of driving a EV is entirely different than a IC engine car. EVs by nature are highly suited for start-go city traffic ; not so much for highway rides. If one needs to compare E2O, it shouldn't be with other regular hatchbacks, it should be with Automatics. You can't have Diesel Automatic, and the petrol consumption of an AT will always be higher, making it an elephant too! The biggest disadvantage of an EV is - it is an unknown quantity and people won't want to plonk down a large amount unless it is proven. So, initially it is folks who don't mind low resale value who'd buy these. I for one would buy this gladly - except I hate the quality of Indian made cars. I wish a good EV is offered by Toyota or Nissan in India. |
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http://sufiy.blogspot.in/2011/01/lit...-deutsche.html http://www.ilsr.org/wp-content/uploa...cted-costs.png Current costs of Lithium-Ion cells range between US$400-600 for Kwh. But, it is expected to crash by almost half within next 5-6yrs. Even if the US$/Rs rates go up a bit, it won't go up as much as double (i.e. Rs.110/$). Most likely scenario is about Rs.70/$ in 5yrs, if our economy doesn't grow at 8-10%. So, effectively Lithium-Ion prices will still come down by 30% of what it is today. Which means Mahindra should be able to offer the battery pack 5 years from now at about Rs. 1,10,000 (considering it is offering it at Rs.1,50,000 now). | |
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Exactly how will they provide the additional electricity required to keep this technology viable? Especially when some states are even proposing to start penalising a/c users by way of an additional cess on the bill because they simply cannot meet the power demands during summer when these a/cs are used. One may argue that the power requirements of an a/c and an electric car are very different, and so it may be. However the moot point remains that in order for this technology to be viable on any scale, the additional volumes of energy required to be available on the grid will be huge. It is difficult to see that happening when we are unable to provide electricity for our existing requirements. That too in cities - if you go to villages, most of them still do not have electricity most of the time. EVs therefore only have a reason to exist if: (1) There is adequate amount of surplus energy on the grid after meeting current requirements, or at least the capacity to produce more such energy. AND (2) If such energy is produced from renewable sources - if you're going to burn fossil fuels in a central location to produce power, it beats the purpose entirely. | |
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If oil is running out so will coal, what will happen to thermal power stations? For any technology to be sustainable, it has to be cheap to produce and sell, convenient to use and easily available everywhere. EVs fail at all these counts and they cannot replace the fuel run vehicles. Whatever vehicle takes hours to refill (Recharge)and then runs for only 100 kms at one go, requires access to a scarce resource with an uncertain supply (electricity)and costs Rs 8 lacs is destined to be a failure. | |
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Having said that, does anyone have any news of Prius prices getting rationalized anytime in the foreseeable future. That, IMO, is a wonderful car for India and the World. Last edited by roy_libran : 20th March 2013 at 14:35. | |
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