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Old 27th June 2018, 11:23   #241
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https://www.livemint.com/Auto/7OOIIW...-Mahindra.html

Poor performance of Mahindra and Tata electric cars supplied to government. Shocking that they could not even run 80 km on a single charge. Government a laboratory for Tata and Mahindra cars?
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Poor performance of Mahindra and Tata electric cars supplied to government. Shocking that they could not even run 80 km on a single charge. Government a laboratory for Tata and Mahindra cars?
I expect vehicles in India to have a short power cycle. Why: Just think

1. Poor driving conditions with a lot of start stop stuff.

2. Heavy use of Air-conditioning.

Good that it is caught out. Better safe than sorry.
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Hyundai is planning to launch an electric SUV (mostly Kona) in the second half of 2019 in India. Initially it will be through CKD route and will be available in 15 cities. Long term plan is to produce EVs in Chennai plant.

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BYD launched a new battery factory with a capacity of 24 GWh which will be completed by next year. Once the new factory completed, total capacity of BYD batteries will be 60 GWh. With 60 GWh capacity can produce 1.85 lakh 40 feet buses per year (each with 324 KWh with range of more than 250 KMs) or 1 million cars with 60 KWh batteries.

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BEV's in EU ( Jan - May-18),

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1 in 4 of the cars registered in Norway is an ElectricVehicle. While European average is 1% market share, they are even less popular in other key markets like Germany, the UK and Italy. Electrics are still far from becoming a real alternative
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This might be a stupid question but such is how the mind wanders during Mumbai monsoons. Are there any unique risks or issues if an EV car gets adversely affected in flooding. Both from an immediate safety standpoint and an extraordinary cost of damage to vehicle perspective.

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This might be a stupid question but such is how the mind wanders during Mumbai monsoons. Are there any unique risks or issues if an EV car gets adversely affected in flooding. Both from an immediate safety standpoint and an extraordinary cost of damage to vehicle perspective.
The motor controller and battery controllers will be tossed and will need replacement. Batteries are generally sealed units but the seals are designed for occasional water splashes. If your vehicle is submerged under water for a few hours, expect water inside batteries too and will need to be replaced/refurbished. Motor is again a sealed unit that could be salvaged but the motor controllers will definitely need replacement.
In short, if the flood reaches your bonnet height and stays at that level for few hours, expect very high repair costs and your insurance will most probably write it off as Total loss.
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Battery(with BMS), electronic speed control, motor can all be made water proof, it totally depends on the design as to how long it can stay submerged. How to do you think submersible pumps works.
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Here are the best sellers (HEV) in Europe,(Jan - May)

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This might be a stupid question but such is how the mind wanders during Mumbai monsoons. Are there any unique risks or issues if an EV car gets adversely affected in flooding. Both from an immediate safety standpoint and an extraordinary cost of damage to vehicle perspective.
One guy got a Flood damaged Tesla for cheap and kind of got it refurbished by himself.

Watch the video.

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Tesla signed an agreement with Shanghai govt (China) to setup Gigafactory 3 with the capacity to produce 5 lakh vehicles per year.
http://https://www.scmp.com/business...ce-500000-cars

China recently scrapped the 50 percent cap of foreign ownership requirements for electric vehicles. This enables the Tesla to build factory in China with 100% ownership.
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European brands will soon overtake Tesla in EV Sales, will be led by Germans!

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Tesla will remain No. 1 in 2019, according to the forecast by PA Consulting Group. But by 2021, when traditional rivals flood the road with a variety of models, Elon Musk’s company will fall to seventh place. By then, Daimler will be in the lead, followed by BMW, the Renault Nissan Mitsubishi alliance and VW.

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volkman10 writes "HYBRID is the way to go and the best solution in transitioning to EV"

Smaller engines running at closer-to-optimum power settings (with boost from an electric motor when quick acceleration is needed), switched off in heavy traffic, no need for battery charging, indefinite range, 50%+ fuel savings - all these will reduce fuel imports and cut pollution (India's main goals), without expensive infrastructure all over the country.

That will be perfect.
If Hybrids are encouraged they should be plug in type. I'd always prefer a diesel hybrid in a Hexa / Innova size, smaller E cars today are of a size suitable for commuters morning office evening return, a category that should be weaned away from personalized transport.

On an average 4 to 5 days a week I'm in city and travel 40 to 100 km only.
But one or two days it is a 400 to 700 km day, this is the time when the diesel engine should start.


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Anand Mahindra, smart as always:
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It will be exiting to see how things will evolve over the next few years for EV vs ICE battle.

On one hand we have new start ups like Ather which are bringing good products with support charging infrastructure. On the other hand, we have experienced automakers like Mahindra who complains about lack of charging infrastructure. Its same outside India, except that only players change (Tesla Vs Mercedes, Toyota). These are the same people who talk morals and share inspiring thoughts on social media while Indian cities increasingly suffer from severe pollution.

It may take few years for India to be part of EV revolution but it will definitely happen much sooner than what many of these traditional manufacturers are hoping for. In US it will happen because of rapid technology development, in China because of govt regulations and subsidies and in Europe it will happen because of combination of technology and govt regulations. In India it will happen as and when it becomes cheaper just like solar power. But once it starts the economics will take care of the growth.
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