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Old 27th July 2019, 13:06   #451
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GST on EVs reduced from 12% to 5%. GST on EV chargers reduced from 18% to 5%. GST Council also approved exemption from GST on hiring of Electric Buses by local authorities.

New rates will be effective from August 1st, 2019.

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@sri_tesla; this could not have been much earlier. First meeting the the GST council after the budget. Now let us see the speed of the infrastructure roll out.
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I think there are two or three connectors going round. I hop no more emerge. You need two separate connectors to cater for AC and DC. I think right now two are for AC and one DC.
Just now I saw in the Autocar
Four connectors in all.
Type 1 : for 110V countries. (5 pin)
Type 2: for 230V countries, rated for 240V (7 pin).
CCS: Likely for Europe 230kW to be upgraded to 900kW. (9 pin)
CHAdeMO: 4(?) pin

then there is an Bharat DC 001: coming up

Tesla have their own Supercharger.120-250kW

so this is what I picked up.
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The latest Global survey shows consumers not fully sold on future of AVs, EVs - Consumers are low in confidence considering BEV's.

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The majority of consumers, 64 percent, viewed charging station availability as the biggest disadvantage of EVs, followed by driving range, at 59 percent. Price was a concern to 54 percent of consumers, though 78 percent said that tax subsidies or credits would factor into their purchase decision of a battery-electric vehicle.
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The study found experts forecast it will be at least five years until EVs achieve a market share of 10 percent.
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I am not familiar with what is being promoted in India on the utility side (for homes). For the US, there are many NEMA connectors. All houses have NEMA 14-30 for clothes dryer. This can draw 30A. For RVs, electric cooking range have always been using NEMA 14-50. This can draw 50A. This is the outlet being used by EVs these days. EVs come with a cable for such an outlet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_14
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NEMA is north american standard for 240V AC.
It has 4 Pins with line 1 and line 2 ( 120V each) and neutral and ground.

Since in India we already have 240V AC as normal household supply there is no reason a normal 3 pin similar to Type M plug with 50 Amp rating can not be used in fact a single phase household connection should be sufficient here.

I think government must enforce standard by not allowing multiple foreign plug points
else it will be a mess just like people have to keep extension strips for computer peripherals due to proliferation of all sorts of plugs through import.

As apartments ( and many homes too) have 3 phase connection a standardized DC charger from 3 phase input can become standard amenity feature in apartments.

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This article in the Mint might be timely, given the govt's incessant and perhaps, premature push for EVs.
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http://overdrive.in/news-cars-auto/o...switch-to-evs/

I was reading this 2 part piece by Bob Rupani critiquing the government's EV push. Now I am the first to mention across repeated posts how I believe the government has got its EV strategy wrong but reading Bob's article here - most (not all) of his thoughts are utterly ridiculous. Hardly the kind of journalistic insight I would have expected from a magazine like Overdrive.
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I was reading this 2 part piece by Bob Rupani critiquing the government's EV push. Now I am the first to mention across repeated posts how I believe the government has got its EV strategy wrong but reading Bob's article here - most (not all) of his thoughts are utterly ridiculous. Hardly the kind of journalistic insight I would have expected from a magazine like Overdrive.
Could you explain more on why you think his article is ridiculous?
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Lyft suspends e-bikes after battery fires

Lyft said it was suspending use of its shared electric bikes in San Francisco after reports of two battery fires.

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Tata Motors in partnership Tata power to install 300 charging stations by end of FY2020 across 5 major cities -- Mumbai, Delhi, Pune, Bengaluru and Hyderabad. The first 7 fast chargers have been set up in Pune, while the company has announced that 45 more will come up across all five cities in the next two months. To attract more customers, as an introductory offer, the company will provide Tata EV customers free charging for 3 months, effective from today.

First 50 chargers will have capacity of 15KW and adhere to Bharat Standard, but remaining chargers will be of 30-50 KW DC CCS2 standard. These chargers can be accessed by any EV user which have cars compatible to the above charging standards. Tata vehicles will get attractive tariff from these chargers.

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IEC is the organisation that decides types of plugs and sockets as per Voltage, maximum current etc.
https://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/
In India we use type C. https://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeC.htm



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I think government must enforce standard by not allowing multiple foreign plug points
else it will be a mess just like people have to keep extension strips for computer peripherals due to proliferation of all sorts of plugs through import.

The world already has 6 types of charging protocols, and the Maruti Toyota unholy nexus will introduce the 7th.



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As apartments ( and many homes too) have 3 phase connection a standardized DC charger from 3 phase input can become standard amenity feature in apartments.

This is only for input for the charging cable, public DC charging protocols will be different. You need at least 5.
1. Single phase slow charging for smaller batteries upto 20kwh,
2. DC and 3 Ph fast charging for smaller batteries upto 20kwh,
3. Single phase slow charging for medium batteries 20kwh-65kwh
4. DC and 3 Ph fast charging for medium batteries 20kwh-65kwh
5. DC and 3 Ph fast charging for larger batteries 65kwh to 2X90kwh
that electric buses use.


Now most companies also want to add another port in public charging points to download vehicle health, and mail it to the manufacturer.
EV makers worry that as periodic change like oil, air cleaner etc is not needed, people may drive vehicles till breakdown, and dangerous vehicles with worn brakes etc may remain in use.


Another company called Voltia is coming up with battery swapping for commercial vehicles.
Electric trucks and buses only have to book a battery at a station on their route about 250km away. Here they swap batteries with a fully charged battery that will take them to another station about 250 km away. https://neulogy.vc/voltia If they do succeed in India they will change the transport sector completely.


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One Metal Worrying EV Battery Suppliers and Tesla!

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Battery producers and electric automakers, including Tesla Inc., are concerned over longer-term supplies of nickel, a key material in their supply chain that’s forecast to fall into deficit
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The need for the high-purity material used in batteries, known as class-one nickel, is likely to outstrip supply within five years, fueled mainly by rising consumption in the EV industry
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The big question everyone will be asking in a year’s time is where does the nickel come from to satisfy the demands for nickel in stainless steel, as well as the increasing demand for nickel into electric vehicle batteries

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India looking at newer EV battery technologies for strategic reasons

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As part of India’s energy security plan, the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government is exploring newer battery technologies such as polymer-based solid state batteries that may allow India to avoid dependence on lithium or cobalt imports.

This comes in the backdrop of Chinese state-owned firms securing lithium mine concessions in countries such as Bolivia, Argentina and Chile, which forms the so-called lithium triangle. The idea is to not allow India to fall in a vulnerable position with a likely threat of supply squeeze as has happened in the case of crude oil, with India being the world’s third largest oil importer.

“Why should we substitute one energy import source with another and become hostage to external conditions. That’s the reason why this approach is being explored. Once enough investments happen in a particular technology, we won’t be able to do much," said a senior Indian government official associated with India’s electric vehicle push.

“The technology is evolving every day. Some of the advanced chemistry cells that offer an alternative to lithium storage batteries are metal hydride, zinc air, sodium air and nickel zinc among others," added the government official.

Given the changing global energy landscape, India has set up a National Mission on Transformative Mobility and Battery Storage. An inter-ministerial steering committee has also been set up which is chaired by NITI Aayog CEO Amitabh Kant.

This strategic push comes in the backdrop of India putting the final shape on a plan to build at least four Tesla-style giga factories to manufacture batteries with an investment of around $4 billion. The plan to set up these factories of 10 gigawatt hours each to accomplish what Tesla has done at its Gigafactory in Nevada, US, also involves a nearly $1 billion concessional loan facility to be drawn from multilateral lenders such as the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, European Investment Bank, New Development Bank and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

“In addition to currently available Lithium-ion chemistries, future developments in battery chemistry may yield a new generation of batteries which will include ‘solid state’ batteries that promise a storage capacity of about 1000 Wh/kg and 80 percent charge in about 10 minutes. These batteries, however, are still at laboratory scale and would take time to be commercially available," a NITI Aayog report said.
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Mahindra's EV roadmap updates:
M&M will launch electric KUV by end of the year. S210 (EV version XUV300) will be launched an year later (end of 2020?) and E-Aspire (with Ford partnership) 6 months after that. M&M also plans to expand 3-wheeler EV portfolio and small commercial vehicles as well. They also wants to work on an all new grounds up electric vehicle architecture for the Indian market.

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Mahindra's EV roadmap updates:
M&M will launch electric KUV by end of the year. S210 (EV version XUV300) will be launched an year later (end of 2020?) and E-Aspire-----
More specific dates are as below:


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