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Old 6th November 2019, 11:24   #496
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A new battery has been invented by a Brit, Trevor Jackson, with a possible range of 1500 miles


The secret ingredient is a special electrolyte which is environment friendly and so safe that Jackson drinks it during his demonstrations.

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Thanks for sharing. There is startup in Bengaluru also doing the same and similar work is being done across the world. Aluminium air batteries are not new.

Unless they put one in a actual vehicle and sell it and show the working for months, no one will be very excited ! Hope Aluminium can be recycled completely.
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https://qz.com/1737145/the-economics...million-miles/

Few have driven a Tesla to the point at which the vehicle really starts to show its age. But Tesloop, a shuttle service in Southern California comprised solely of Teslas, was ticking the odometers of its cars well past 300,000 miles with no signs of slowing.
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Now the Tata EVTron changes the equation. Decent range and conditioned for our weather. Water cooled battery and motor. I wish it all success.
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Yes of course the hotel will charge you for it. Why ever would they give it free. Why should we even expect that it might be free. When you book a hotel room the tariff includes the cost of electricity a guest consumes on an average - same with this.

HRA-W the association of hotel owners from western India which has about 14000 member hotels in Western Maharashtra, Goa, Gujarat and North Karnataka has conditionally offered to put up charging points in their member hotel's parking lots. About 25% of the hotels are on highways.

Their main condition is that both minimum and maximum charges should be controlled, so that investment of chargers can be recovered in a reasonable time period.
They are clear that if there is profit people invest, and if freebies being doled out are controlled, almost every one will invest.



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Hi all,

Here is what I think of the whole Electric Car madness by Govt. According to me, the Electric Cars are no cleaner than the ICE cars. Following are my points:

1. There is no Battery Disposal Plan in place,
2. There is no "Green" production method on Battery .
3. Over dependence on other countries for Lithium, hence from "Imported Oil" trap to "Imported Lithium".
4. The current charges being installed are only upto 50Kw/H and not even the old 150Kw/H used in US and forget the 350kw/h being installed in Europe.
5. Obviously, we all are aware of the charging times and the issues related to it.

I think, this is a missed opportunity, it is a typical knee jerk reaction by the Govt to implement anything available to appease the green lobby.

Since we are anyway starting from scratch, we should promote Hydrogen fuel rather than batteries. This simply takes care of all the above problems associated with Batteries, their manufacturing, disposal and charging issues.

All the manufacturers are anway starting afresh, so investing in a "cleaner" or a better long term solution makes more sense. Also, I think, likes of Toyota, Honda, Merc etc. already have Hydrogen vehicles.

In 20 years time, we will be again staring at "What to do with Battery" problem!

Just my 2 cents on the whole issue and my personal opinion.
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Chinese are skeptical about Pure EV's, but embrace Hybrids.

Japanese automakers Toyota and Honda are Beating the Slump in China’s Car Market with Hybrids.

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Iconic car companies like Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. are increasing sales in a market that has fallen almost every month since June 2018. They’re doing it by targeting what’s proven to be a sweet spot in the faltering market -- demand for hybrid gasoline-electric cars. Japanese automakers are leaders in the technology, which appeals to Chinese consumers keen to heed the government push toward new-energy vehicles, but aren’t ready to shift to pure-electric autos just yet.
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Sales of Japanese brands’ hybrids have risen about 30% this year in China to more than 220,000, making the vehicles one of the fastest-growing market segment, according to the association. Japanese carmakers control about 99% of the traditional hybrid market in China,
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Among the reasons shoppers are going for hybrids is range anxiety -- the fear that an electric car’s battery runs out and leaves the driver stranded. China’s charging infrastructure is in early stages, though manufacturers and the government are trying to hasten a build out.
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Chinese are skeptical about Pure EV's, but embrace Hybrids.
IMHO, we need to look at the overall Chinese market which is going through a slump because of sudden drop of subsidies. It seems like the overall chinese hybrid market is crashing bigtime.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/29...ceding-market/

It is true that japs have superior hybrid tech, and they are desperately trying to keep that going, with despicable attempts to rebrand gas burning cars as EVs with unlimited range. In that hybrid market japs are doing better. It is not a reflection of entire Chinese marketplace.
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Old 10th December 2019, 23:32   #503
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Toyota is up to no good again. They were taking pride as an environmentally conscious company, now they are trying to kill EVs as they have no EV ramps planned, no investments, and their "we also have an EV" product roadmap, will never be able to compete against mass produced EV.

They continue with their mis-information campaign. Hope the Govt. takes note and stays firm with their current EV plan.
https://www.financialexpress.com/aut...range/1788621/
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This is one of the ways Volvo has found out to reuse batteries for domestic purpose. https://www.volvobuses.com/en-en/new...ouseholds.html
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A course on NPTEL (it's free to watch) regarding electric vehicles, while taking an exam might not be necessary , the lectures should help learn and understand EVs considering they seem to be the future.

https://swayam.gov.in/nd1_noc20_ee18/preview
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Not sure if all aspects in this attached document are true but it is worth a read.
EV the Chinese Trap.pdf
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BMW R&D chief sees no market for BEVs in most of US.
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...al-powertrains

They do not have the supply chain secured for BEVs, and they want to keep pushing hybrids - ICE, with a puny battery to call it an EV. With this mindset, if we are waiting for top class BEVs, they will not be coming from BMWs anytime soon.

Hearing Toyota, Honda, now BMW - these guys may kill the EVs again, or die a slow death themselves. Time will tell.
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China vehicle sales decline for second straight year; EV demand dips for first time.

Automakers are cautious with their predictions after cutting production, shutting factories and firing staff last year.
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Because of a steep cut in subsidies in late June, demand for electrified vehicles slumped the remainder of the year.
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the electrified-vehicle market in China contracted for the first time in 2019, with aggregate sales of battery-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids dropping 4 percent to roughly 1.2 million.

New EV deliveries slid 1.2 percent to around 972,000 in 2019 while new plug-in hybrid sales slipped 15 percent to some 232,000
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China vehicle sales decline for second straight year; EV demand dips for first time.
It is important to note both percentages. And considering the fall in overall vehicle sales, EV sales did relatively well.
Vehicle sales decline for 2019 is 8.2%
EV sales decline for 2019 is 1.2%

In other news...
Model 3 wreaks havoc in the US luxury segment
https://www.wheelsjoint.com/tesla-mo...-sedan-market/
Model Y will give them the 1 - 2 punch.

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Findings of Deloitte’s 2020 Global Automotive Consumer Study:

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The firm sampled around 35,000 respondents from 20 global markets. Around 3,000 of these were from India. These findings come at a time when the Indian auto industry has been under the worst ever industry slowdown

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- Globally, this preference for hybrid electric vehicles (HEV) is led by Japan at 47 per cent, followed by India

- 51 per cent Indian consumers prefer ICE vehicles (gas/diesel) for their next purchase while 25 per cent Indian consumers vouch for HEV and 15 per cent go for battery electric vehicles (BEV), 9 per cent for other options like ethanol, CNG and fuel cells.

- 81 per cent of the people very clearly articulated that they are much more likely to consider BEVs if gasoline prices reach more than Rs 152 per litre while only 31 per cent have an interest in battery EVs if fossil fuels rise upto Rs 95 per litre.

- 53 per cent of Indians agreed to pay up to Rs 1,00,000 more for EVs compared to a similar vehicle with ICE

-10 per cent respondents expressed reservation regarding paying anything extra

- 21 per cent said they would pay anything more between Rs 100,000 to Rs 300,000.

- 34 per cent also believe that it is the responsibility of the OEMs to setup a network of publicly accessible EV charging stations, while 31 per cent believe that the government is responsible for this.

- 30 per cent believe that the minimum driving range for BEVs should be at least 200 miles ( ~ 320 KM) while 14 per cent are expecting the minimum driving range to be at least 50 miles (~80 KM)

-35 per cent consumers are willing to wait for an average of 45 min for a BEV to be fully charged, while only 7 per cent are ready to wait for four hours or more.

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