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| ![]() The number one argument of people critical about electric vehicles is about Coal. Is Coal going to be a permanent source of producing electricity ? There is still a vast potential of tapping hydel power in India. I know that in Karnataka there a lots of smaller hydel plants even now being installed. Solar and Wind plants are also on the rise. Going electric for mobility might give a fillip to renewable energy production and should take of pollution. There are no alternatives for both. |
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| ![]() I think the idea of setting 2030 as a milestone is to think fast. I am sure the government must have considered all the pros and cons of having an infrastructure for electrical cars in place so quickly, but some of these can be understood only with trials and this is where the government is currently doing a better job by asking Tata and Mahindra to provide electric cars without first pushing it on the customers. I think 2030 is a good enough target. It will cumulatively change the way India thinks about power generation, pollution and environment. Think about it, we might not achieve 100% electric cars on roads by 2030, but if small city cars and public transport buses get electrified, it is always a better environment to live in compared to the current situation. I wont argue much on how an electric car is equally polluting than IC engined ones. The thing is these electric cars dont pollute the environment where humans live. To give an example, think what would happen if all Mumbai local trains were to run on diesel engines instead of electric multiple units. As it is commuters suffocate in the crowded trains, they would probably stop breathing at CST or Dadar ![]() |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Even if coal power plants have a lion's share of power generation, the pollution is localized and can be improved upon. Question: What pollution is easier to manage? Pollution from 10 million automobiles or pollution for 4 coal power plants? Pour enough money into coal R&D power plants and it will probably start belching out oxygen, instead of CO2. Example 1: This power plant in Canada absorbs 90% of CO2 produced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounda..._Power_Station ![]() Example 2: This coal power plant has near zero emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwar..._power_station ![]() There are many such examples. Yes, technology is not perfect and it is currently economically unviable. But as I said, pour enough money into this technology and you will have both clean transportation in the city (thanks to electric vehicles) and no pollution in the country side. From what I understand, we have the technology to drastically reduce pollution even from EXISTING coal fired power plants Last edited by SmartCat : 20th November 2017 at 19:08. |
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I'm sure you're aware of the smog situation happening in and around India (specifically Delhi NCR) ... do you still feel shift from ICE to EV is a bad step. Talking about battery disposal, Prof.Jhunjhunwala in various forums (including the ACMA meeting held in Aug 2017) clearly stated about the recycling of Li-Ion batteries. Primarily (after vehicle use but with 80% life) the batteries are put to use to store energy from Solar Panels/ grids etc and beyond which they're declared dead. We've all seen what happened in the name of Hybrid, not to mention technologies with simple start - stop and regenerative braking and meagre Fuel improvement by 7% (ARAI claimed). Such technologies led the Govt. to believe that they're being eye-washed in the name of Hybrid. Lastly the purpose of reducing oil import and emissions will fail if Hybrids are allowed. Until the industry was pushed to BS6 from BS4, no one was willing, however once it was decided OEMs are actually working their way towards it. So it is inevitable for the Govt. to seek industry opinion before it has to take such stringent actions. We are fretting over an issue of which we don't even know (100% EV) Had it been the case OEMs (Toyota & Suzuki) wouldn't have jumped the band wagon. Instead worked towards Hybrids or FCEV | |
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The government was hoodwinked and defrauded by one single manufacturer abusing the word Hybrid. The government should have tweaked the term hybrid to a vehicle capable of running on battery power alone at least for 500 metres. You can't run without first learning to walk The government is trying to do exactly that. Who is the minister in charge of the hybrid policy? The same one with high IQ who thinks urea fertilizer can be manufactured cheaply by collecting urine Last edited by Ragavsr : 20th November 2017 at 21:00. | |
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While the FAME was there amounting to nearly a Lakh along with zero VAT and registration charges for strong hybrids.. why didn’t OEM take advantage and utilise it to introduce models in India ?? Again what’s not answered is how would the emissions be reduced by hybrids ? You’re right that Hybrids could be a stepping stone, however look at it from OEM perspective. Even if the Govt would allow hybrids for 5 - 7 years (assume ) Do you think as an OEM you would invest for such a short duration ? Ultimately the future is electric We need to Accept it or get ICED | |
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On the other hand, though I don't agree, can't one say pour enough money into internal combustion engines and they'll be clean enough? | |
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By 2020, every Chinese coal plant will be more efficient than every US coal plant https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envir...a-coal-cleaner Since Indian cities are polluted too, India won't be far behind China in adopting cleaner Coal technologies. India announces mission on clean coal utilisation http://www.business-standard.com/art...0801417_1.html Last edited by SmartCat : 21st November 2017 at 00:45. | ||
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| ![]() We need to get this number almost as high or higher than our coal plants. For a country that sees the sun for most part of the year, we need to harness this source much more than we do today. I don't have any math to support my claim. I just find it hard to believe that some professionals in the industry claim that we are probably better off with IC than electric. Let us say our cities had only electric vehicles plying and we use a mix of renewable energy and all forms of fossil fuel to charge these electric runabouts. I bet the air will be cleaner than 20 million vehicles pumping harmful gasses into the atmosphere. |
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https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...actionplan.pdf But as that meant the death knell for the US located, coal fired, thermal power plants plus some other drastic action, the present leadership in the US has shelved it. Last edited by anjan_c2007 : 21st November 2017 at 23:47. | |
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| ![]() India's quest for cleaner coal based power moves forward. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1DL1FL |
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| ![]() Then there is this advice not to buy new cars now. To buy or not to buy is the question. ![]() Quote:
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However, from the perspective of use for daily commuting to office, I think electric cars are an unbeatable proposition. The other day, I commuted nearly 85 kms on a weekday going from home to office, then to wife's office to pick her up, then to attend a wedding and finally return home late in the night. I don't think I will ever do more kms in a working day. And nearly every electric vehicle today can do this on a single charge. | |
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