re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev Contradiction alert. Others will figure out at the expense of Tesla. |
What will they figure out? The patents are already there for everyone to use and re-use and there is no contradiction. The only figuring out that everyone needs to do is how to make them at scale and at a profit compared to the competition, in this case Tesla. Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev Toyota too had it's cool iPhone moment with Prius. |
You are kidding right. It doesn't bring Toyota more than 70% of their profits. Heck its not even the largest selling Toyota model. Its the opposite of cool if ever there was. Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev I have actually visited Toyota factories and studied their hybrid tech in person (worked with a potential supplier to localise certain things in India), their tech may not blow the minds of automobile-forums and create Elon Musk level PR buzz but if you are an engineer you will bet your money on Toyota.
Their level of perfection is jaw dropping and their pursuit to perfection on parameters like efficiency, reliability, profit, etc. is relentless. |
Irrelevant to this discussion. Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev Tesla can create all the buzz they want for the fastest EV, maliciously named 'auto pilot', etc. but as and when Toyota gets into EV, they will be extremely dominant. I am very certain of that. Tesla will have it's place, it's a big market but I am very certain they will not be the global market leaders in EV - it will be Toyota. |
Buzz? A family saloon with four doors which can out accelerate a Buggatti Veyron, has a range of 500 kms, is more practical than any other car in its class and has the running costs both fuel and maintenance better than any other IC powered car is just a buzz. I would say it is a well deserved buzz. Tesla still remains the only credible purely electric car maker in the world. How else do you explain half a million orders by people without even having seen the car in person? They were the first company who made living with electric cars feasible in everyday life, first company to have created an electric car with a decent range, first company who made electric cars not look like an electric car and the first company who made electric cars cool and now everyone is a follower just like Apple and touchscreen phones. Now every big car maker is thinking of going electric or already have atleast one decent electric car in their portfolio. I am not saying Tesla will be the only electric car maker out there I am saying they will be the largest when electric cars become commonplace because they started it. Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev Right now Tesla can brag about everything they are doing because no other credible player is working in that space. If not anything, it has helped the brand immensely and they deserve it for their pioneering work in this space. But soon, it will be boring Toyota that will be churning out the equivalents of Prius and Corollas all over the world. |
Oh so its Tesla's fault that there is no other credible player. The world is not going to electric suddenly but when it does Tesla is best placed to take advantage because they saw it before anyone else could. Turning your argument over, what if Tesla was a new automobile manufacturer in the current space like everyone else and had great technology. Would you then say that Toyota will be pushed over by this new player? Incumbency is a great advantage but only when it is their space. Tesla cannot beat Toyota at their game in the same way they can't Tesla in their electric car game and we shall see. Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev I like Tesla and Elon Must just like most of us for their pioneering work but business is not always pursuit of the buzz. Elon Must has a tendency to do everything out of box and doesn't show interest if there is no buzz. Other established companies might be able to take the best of what Tesla does, combine it with their boring-but-works stuff and come out winners. |
Pure speculation on your part. You do not need a business head to run a technology company (If you havent realised, Tesla is as much a technology company as it is a car company). Remember Apple before Steve Jobs with a business head at the helm and Steve came in and the rest as they is history. Quote:
Originally Posted by androdev Yes Nokia failed. But who succeeded? Apple and Samsung, two well established giants. And now you have a bunch of Chinese companies. I don't see a role model for Tesla in the Nokia example. |
Apple was a well established giant without a single mobile phone in their product portfolio? How does that work mate? I cannot say "oh here is $10 billion and make me a success story like an iPhone" which is why you have companies which are good at what they do. Apple was an outsider which beat the giant Nokia at their own game. Do you think Apple would be a success story if they brought out Nokia like phones with a few extra features. The role model is for the traditional automobile companies because electric cars are not their bread and butter.
There is a VW or a Ford for every Toyota in this world and same will be the case in the electric car business. I dont think even Elon is wanting to be the only electric car maker in the world and is the position your argument seems to be taking. |