|
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
Search this Thread | 55,615 views |
14th June 2018, 20:52 | #76 | |
BHPian Join Date: May 2017 Location: Dallas
Posts: 67
Thanked: 103 Times
| Re: Tesla to lay off 9% of its global workforce Quote:
I think the way Elon is projecting by 2020 the manufacturing process will be revolutionized.( though I personally dont believe his timelines ). Automation is the future whether people like it ot not. Doing manual work in car manufacturing is not the future! | |
(1) Thanks |
The following BHPian Thanks AccordSport for this useful post: | extreme_torque |
|
14th June 2018, 21:12 | #77 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | Quote:
Nobody forces you to use Facebook, google or use an Apple device, let alone forces you to buy an upgrade. There are plenty alternatives for each. The fact that so many people use their services and products probably says something about how much they like it. If privacy is a concern, you are free to dump them. No penalty, no cost, none whatsoever. With all the commotion on privacy; I don't see it impacting the use of their services. Mostly it seems to be impacting legislation rather then customers dumping these companies. I have checked what Facebook has on me. It is a service they offer. I'm fine with it. So feel free to rant and rave, but I don't get your point. I like Facebook and Google so I use them. You seem to dislike them. So don't use them, plenty of alternatieve. VUT nobody is holding a knife to your throat and is making you use or buy these services and or products. Jeroen I would think they are actually innovative and to some extend disruptive. Although both Facebook and Google are more part of the establishment compared to Tesla. | |
(3) Thanks |
The following 3 BHPians Thank Jeroen for this useful post: | extreme_torque, SandyX, Surprise |
14th June 2018, 22:24 | #78 |
Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: bangalore
Posts: 3,096
Thanked: 22,318 Times
| Re: Tesla to lay off 9% of its global workforce I quoted your "I hope Tesla pulls through" point and offered my view on Silicon Valley companies of their greed for profit powered by enormous capital. In my opinion it is dangerous to the society to have humongous corporations like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, etc. and silicon valley is obsessed with producing such companies by sheer capital play. Don't kid yourself that it is due to innovation and not capital. With sufficient capital, everything can be reimagined - that is the secret sauce of these companies and innovation is limited to PR. It is not as simple as "don't use if you don't like it", everything is interlinked. Amazon will decide the food I will have access to soon. So should I grow my own food? In India you can't do essential things like banking, tax payments without having a mobile phone with SMS. There is no single phone with decent call quality that is not a smartphone. Garmin/Tomtom never made it to India thanks to Google maps that wants to know everything about me. I need navigation and I am willing to pay good money for it. "Don't use it if you don't like it" is being insensitive to say the least. |
(4) Thanks |
The following 4 BHPians Thank androdev for this useful post: | ach1lles, alpha1, srishiva, The Brutailer |
15th June 2018, 12:12 | #79 | |
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A
Posts: 7,046
Thanked: 2,751 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
Deutsche Accumotive - a Diamler Company They just don't make as much noise. The Mitsubishi eFuso trucks are one of their earliest EV success stories - Mitsubishi Fuso is 90% Daimler owned. http://www.efuso.jp In addition to pure electric, Mercedes have kept their hands in the fuel cell game. | |
(2) Thanks |
The following 2 BHPians Thank Steeroid for this useful post: | Rehaan, rrsteer |
15th June 2018, 16:32 | #80 | ||||||||||||
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne
Posts: 4,376
Thanked: 5,105 Times
| Quote:
Throwing money at a problem is never a solution else there are many companies in this world who could say "Oh take my $20b and make me a success story like an iPhone". Do not take first advantage lightly. If one of the largest, wealthiest and most sophisticated software company, Microsoft, could not crack the mobile os, their own game, do you think it is going to be easy for any of the traditional car makers to no just compete but defeat Tesla at their own game? Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Yes Mercedes (Or anyone else for that matter) can buy batteries in bulk. Can they make a car which is as capable as Tesla 3 at the same cost today. The answer to this question is that they could, they would have. How many years they will take to reach where Tesla is today? And do you think Tesla is going to sit still while they do that? Again, throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem else there would be no Apple, no IBM, no Tesla. Quote:
Quote:
https://insideevs.com/the-tesla-self...al-world-data/ Quote:
Quote:
Quote: The toughest competition to Tesla I think will come from China primarily because of their huge investments in building batteries. See a pattern here? Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Of course it is. You speak of them as being devil and yet you want to sleep with the devil and then complain. Its not as if there arent alternatives or workarounds. Last edited by GTO : 16th June 2018 at 10:58. Reason: Merging back to back posts | ||||||||||||
() Thanks |
15th June 2018, 22:48 | #81 | |
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A
Posts: 7,046
Thanked: 2,751 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
I do not own shares in Mercedes. Nor do I own shares in Tesla. I do have a related interest in the EV space, and therefore have the need to stay updated on the market. Hence my interest in these topics. As such I have no interest in whether x wins or y does - my list of posts were statements of fact as they are today, beginning with a considered opinion on the future by a third party. It is a point of view - you don't have to agree, nor do you have to disagree violently. I am in no competition with you, hence not interested in the "we will talk when" part. As of now we are both onlookers with no real skin in the game (I do, but in a space not related to the PV market) - the market will do the talking, somebody will win and its not going to make a difference to either of our lives. Therefore, please save your breath. However, for the record the #1 Electric Car manufacturer in the world today is not Tesla, its Renault-Nissan. Tesla is Number 2, but is in very real danger of being overtaken by BAIC, BYD and a few other chinese manufacturers. Last edited by Steeroid : 15th June 2018 at 23:14. | |
(3) Thanks |
The following 3 BHPians Thank Steeroid for this useful post: | rrsteer, The Brutailer, V.Narayan |
16th June 2018, 06:23 | #82 | ||
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne
Posts: 4,376
Thanked: 5,105 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
Quote:
It a nascent market still and I would not read too much into it. You can either be a Samsung and sell most number of phone or you could be an Apple and sell 18% in unit sales and rake in 87% of the profit. Depends on which direction the company wants to take. In anycase not all battery vehicles are built equal else Maini Reva would be the pioneer not Tesla. | ||
() Thanks |
16th June 2018, 08:29 | #83 |
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru
Posts: 4,375
Thanked: 2,256 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Jaguar's iPace is favoured over Tesla's comparable SUV by people from what I have read. Why ? I am not sure Tesla would make the premium cars that are made by Germans or others. When you compare Porshe, Mercedes, BMW, Ferraris etc, is it just the powertrain ? Its more than that. Its the drive, the features and more. Will Tesla be able to do all this ? I am not sure. Others have caught up with Tesla in drivetrain. They haven't been making much of noise about it though. Now will Tesla catch up with others when it comes to other things ? (including manufacturing) Last edited by srishiva : 16th June 2018 at 08:31. |
(1) Thanks |
The following BHPian Thanks srishiva for this useful post: | The Brutailer |
16th June 2018, 13:14 | #84 | |
BHPian Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Worldwide
Posts: 148
Thanked: 239 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
I test drove a model x last week so I have no doubt iPace is more favored over model x. Model X seems like an assemblage. The car undoubtedly accelerates like no tomorrow and autopilot is a cool gimmick but when It comes to a total car it is not well built. The switches and gear lever are a straight lift from mercedes Benz. I hoped better than this from someone who is into groundbreaking technology to not lift something from a competitor. The switches dont seem like built for the car neither does the gear lever. The car interface is not intuitive to use while driving. The SUV itself is claustrophobic where they have spaces in the roof sonar head fits in. Everything is controlled from the front screen. Why do the rear passengers have to trouble the driver so set their own climate control. The whole car is controlled from the screen and its gets confusing to guess where is what especially when you are driving. Ergonomics are not that good. Tesla in my opinion is more of a technology company than a car company unless it gets in some executives from the other car companies which can bring with them experience of car makinh . It is soon going to be a loser at it's own game. VW brands are ready with level 4 autonomy and EV. Jaguar is already in with their iPace. These bigger car companies have been in the trade for way too long perfecting their products along the way and possess the experience and trade secrets that give them an upper hand. | |
(3) Thanks |
The following 3 BHPians Thank V12Doc for this useful post: | myavu, The Brutailer, Turbanator |
17th June 2018, 01:08 | #85 | |
BHPian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Madras
Posts: 461
Thanked: 263 Times
| Re: Tesla to lay off 9% of its global workforce Quote:
| |
() Thanks |
17th June 2018, 04:19 | #86 | |
Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: AU
Posts: 2,322
Thanked: 7,189 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
Of all things different and unique about the Model X, you had to nitpick the control stalks? Come on man. Cut Tesla some slack. It's not the next best big thing after the invention of the wheel. Their focus is on technology and it is on display all over the car. Anyways, I thought I'd better pen down my test experience of the Model S P100D in this thread. Just an online request for a Test Drive. I got the call the next day for scheduling the appointment. Told them I'm not going to buy one any soon and just want to experience the car's performance. That didn't lower their enthusiasm or commitment a bit. They offered the top of the line S P100D for a proper test drive! 5 Star rated test drive experience. Acceleration in the ludicrous mode is mindblowing. Tried the Auto Pilot. It was unreal to see the steering wheel move by itself But in Australia, it's restricted (or the system itself is restricted I supposed). It can't read traffic signals. It was able to steer, accelerate and brake in reference to the cars around and the lane markings. I don't know much about saving the earth or Tesla's profit/loss. All I know as an enthusiast is, I'd definitely consider a Tesla if I ever am pushed to ditch petrol power. Of course, in the future, there'll be more exciting choices from the competition as well. I'm also excited to know about the Jaguar iPace. But don't really look forward to experiencing it. Why? I asked the Jaguar dealer for a test drive of the XF because a friend couldn't get one in Melbourne. The Salesperson makes a couple of calls to his boss and said sorry if you aren't going to buy one from us then my boss wouldn't want me to offer the test drive. The XF isn't a sales rockstar in any way. But that's their call. But I detest such attitude. I found Tesla's product experience approach to be more like Apple (Outside of India). Just walk into an Apple Store or Tesla Showroom and experience their products and services without feeling little because you can't afford one. I appreciate that. So if you have a Tesla showroom in your city, try it out and see if the hype is worth it or not as an enthusiast. I don't know much about saving the earth, profit/loss etc. so I'd leave that for the experts to discuss. My brother has cancelled his Model 3 booking in the states after the recent Consumer Reports concerns about quality. So I guess Tesla's quality is a cause for concern especially with the Model 3. As an automobile enthusiast, I hope Tesla survives and continues to improve so that I get better products from them and the competition. P.S: I don't know if Ford India has made a single $ of profit but I've owned 3 of their cars. I didn't really care about their profitability as long as the cars were good for me. Last edited by kiku007 : 17th June 2018 at 04:39. | |
(2) Thanks |
The following 2 BHPians Thank kiku007 for this useful post: | neerajdan, samaspire |
|
17th June 2018, 04:56 | #87 | |
BHPian Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Worldwide
Posts: 148
Thanked: 239 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Quote:
I am not nitpicking the stalks or the switches. I am nitpicking the overall experience in general. It is not a well built car compared to the old car companies. It is just a showcase of ground breaking technology. Only reason I would buy the tesla would be saving on fuel costs. I hoped for finding a reason better than that! I hope you get what I am saying. I love what Elon musk is doing and I follow him closely. His ideas and implementation is out of the world but he needs better executives and product people on his team to integrate his vision! | |
() Thanks |
17th June 2018, 22:54 | #88 |
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Delhi - Kochi
Posts: 1,502
Thanked: 1,686 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! One side I admit that Tesla had did an Apple to Car industry, but other side with zero competition. Let us see how that is going to change in 2019/2020 Mercedes EQ Series and Jaguar I - Pace is going to be a game changer for sure. Please watch the following video. They are talking about how EQ can be accommodated into existing IC Models production line on demand and about the battery production/tie-ups. As per my belief Tesla's journey will not be that easy moving forward. Tesla definitely have to watch for the built quality of these cars closely when pricing starts to fall in same brackets. At least Jaguar and Mercedes are continuing with conventional car design/sophistication philosophy. Hope Audi will also join the group asap. Interesting space to watch for. Cheers! Vinu |
(2) Thanks |
The following 2 BHPians Thank myavu for this useful post: | androdev, rrsteer |
19th June 2018, 09:37 | #89 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Elon Musk fears sabotage at Tesla - names its probable enemies including obvious mention of top Auto companies! Quote:
- oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industries in the world – they don’t love the idea of Tesla advancing the progress of solar power & electric cars - multitude of big gas/diesel car company competitors. If they’re willing to cheat so much about emissions, maybe they’re willing to cheat in other ways? Link Last edited by volkman10 : 19th June 2018 at 09:38. | |
() Thanks |
20th June 2018, 11:42 | #90 |
BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram
Posts: 7,969
Thanked: 4,788 Times
| re: Tesla incurs loss of £523 million. EDIT: Now posts a profit! Musk claims sabotage by an employee In a recent post Musk claims sabotage and data theft by an employee on a grand scale. Let is see it this a red herring or something is up. |
() Thanks |