[sgiitk]

@Ragavsr; UP is also headed for over Rs.6 per kwH. Add to it fixed charges. Basically a quick charge will have to be an outside affair. Hyundai hints that the car price can drop once EVs are accepted.

[yajaman99]

Originally Posted by Ragavsr

Isn't it 50 paise per km. Please check your post.
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Ragavsr, this is what the person at the showroom told me.
if it is truly 0.5Rs per KM then it is just amazing. We need to wait for some real test reports on the Kona.

[Sebring]

This car ticks most of the boxes for me, especially range. Yesterday I received a call from Advaith Hyundai asking me to see the car in person, but Test Drives will start only by this weekend. Once the car is bought, will the Hyundai engineers visit your facility and provide a charging unit like how Ather is doing for their 1 lakh scooter? Or will they just hand a cable to the customer? See the pic of the home unit Ather gives (for reference purpose)

[yajaman99]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Once the car is bought, will the Hyundai engineers visit your facility and provide a charging unit like how Ather is doing for their 1 lakh scooter? Or will they just hand a cable to the customer? See the pic of the home unit Ather gives (for reference purpose)

At the Trident showroom they had the fast charger, the person mentioned it was around Rs 70K.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Once the car is bought, will the Hyundai engineers visit your facility and provide a charging unit like how Ather is doing for their 1 lakh scooter? Or will they just hand a cable to the customer? See the pic of the home unit Ather gives (for reference purpose)

These are the charging options for Hyundai Kona:


1. Wallbox charger (7.2 KW): This will come free with vehicle. Hyundai will install at your home. Will be similar to what Ather is providing. It will take 6 hours 10 mins for fully charging with this.



2. Portable charger (2.8 KW): This also comes free with vehicle. It can be plugged into any normal 3 pin plug point. It will take 19 hours to fully charge the car.



3. DC fast charger (50 KW): Hyundai will install these at their dealerships (15 dealers in 11 cities) and select IOCL petrol stations (Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Bangalore only). It can charge the vehicle to 80% in 57 minutes. Most likely they will charge per unit (kWh) basis.



In addition, if customers want additional wallbox charger, it'll cost them about Rs 80,000.

[SpideyBoy]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Once the car is bought, will the Hyundai engineers visit your facility and provide a charging unit like how Ather is doing for their 1 lakh scooter? Or will they just hand a cable to the customer?

Yes, they will provide 2 chargers, one is a portable one which can be plugged to a 3 pin point. This is for emergencies and would take quite some time for a complete charge. Also, they will install a AC charging unit from Mass Tech at your home which takes about 6 hours for complete charge from 0-100%.

[mayjay]

Wait! No frunk?

Great looking car, could have done though with a proper grill. And a few lakhs off, given the size.

Kudos to ARAI for converting WLTP range of 289 kms to 452 kms in India!

[Sebring]

Thank you. Regarding the normal 3 Pin plug, is it 15 Amps or 5 Amps? A 5 Amp plug is great to have, while on the move as it's widespread. If they're doing home installation a lot of cables is required to pull a point from the meter, to your designated area (so probably that's charged). Also, the unit should be all-weather. These points, I'll discuss with the Hyundai team during TD. My friend tell me that a lot of people were checking out the display vehicles. But no TD right now!

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

It can be plugged into any normal 3 pin plug point. It will take 19 hours to fully charge the car.

[superbad]

2. Portable charger (2.8 KW): This also comes free with vehicle. It can be plugged into any normal 3 pin plug point. It will take 19 hours to fully charge the car.

Regarding the normal 3 Pin plug, is it 15 Amps or 5 Amps?

It will be a 15 Amp switch, air conditioner type.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Thank you. Regarding the normal 3 Pin plug, is it 15 Amps or 5 Amps?

As per Autocar review, its 15 Amps.

"The portable charger that’ll fit into any 15 ampere 3-pin socket would take 19 hours to charge the battery completely."


https://www.autocarindia.com/car-rev...-review-413427

[jailbird_fynix]

The Kona EV is about 195 mm longer, 66 mm wider and 65 mm taller than the Elite i20 and on the wheelbase side, the latter is only 30 mm shorter. The Kona has a ground clearance of 172 mm and the Elite i20 has it at 170 mm. The Kona offers 334 litres of bootspace in comparison to the Elite i20’s capacity of 285 litres.



Gaadiwaadi

[tj123]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

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1. Wallbox charger (7.2 KW): This will come free with vehicle. Hyundai will install at your home.

I am trying to imagine the load on the electrical system in my apartment complex if just 10-20% shift to EV's. Soon we will have to upgrade the entire electrical distribution system, we can do it within our apartment/ homes but is our DISCOM companies ready for this change ??

[NTO]

Since the time Kona was being spied in India, I was thinking about the practicality of using a electric car for our day to day activities. So, I made a simple math to understand what it would be like to own and run a Kona electric in comparison to a i20 Active, both petrol and diesel.

I took i20 Active for comparison because, the size, the interior space and feature list are comparable to that of an i20 Active. I am sure no one with the budget of an i20 active will buy a Kona and Vice versa. But, this calculation was made with just the cost in mind to arrive at a total cost of ownership at the end of 5 years.

Assumptions made are the following:

1. Price of the cars in comparison (On Road Chennai)

Kona: 28,00,000
i20 Active Petrol (SX option): 10,70,000
i20 Active Diesel (SX option): 11,70,000

2. Cost per kilometer

Kona: Rs. 1.05
i20 Active Petrol: 6.5
i20 Active Diesel: 5

This was calculated at Diesel price at Rs. 70/ litre, Petrol price at Rs. 75 per litre and cost per unit of electricity a Rs. 6/ KWh and also from statistics around the internet on electricity required to charge a 40 KWh battery from complete dead state to full charge.

Also, the range for Kona on a full charge was assumed to be 300 Km.

3. Service cost

Kona: Rs. 5000/ service/ 30000 Km
i20 Petrol: Rs. 8000/ service/ 10000 Km
i20 Diesel: Rs. 10000/ service/ 10000 Km

Service cost was calculated for a period of 5 years with 15000 Km of annual running. That leaves us with 75000 km on the odo at the end of 5 years.

4. Opportunity cost

It was assumed that all the cars will be bought with 100% upfront payment. Interest rate was considered to be 7%, assuming a safe deposit for 5 years like a government FD.

5. Resale value:

Kona: 1000000
i20 petrol: 500000
i20 diesel: 600000

With the above calculation, this was the math I arrived at.



Does it still make sense to buy a car like Kona electric in India? Even if the comparison is made against cars of a segment or two higher, I guess still, Kona electric will not make economical sense to buy and own. And for petrol heads and enthusiasts, I am sure an electric car can never satisfy us.

Do we have a long way to go with Electric cars? Do you think conventional IC engines can be supplemented by electric cars. Please share your thoughts.

[serious_maniac]

Originally Posted by NTO

Since the time Kona was being spied in India, I was thinking about the practicality of using a electric car for our day to day activities. So, I made a simple math to understand what it would be like to own and run a Kona electric in comparison to a i20 Active, both petrol and diesel.


Do we have a long way to go with Electric cars? Do you think conventional IC engines can be supplemented by electric cars. Please share your thoughts.

In five years the resale of Kona may be much lower if cost of EVs come down (lower battery cost, more economies of scale) etc. So purely on cost based on size of car, no one will choose EVs. This car is not aimed at an i20 buyer or a C1/C2 sedan buyer. This pricing comparison is unfair.

Kona is aimed at the luxury car buyer. 30,000 people in India buy luxury cars (MB, BMW, Audi, Volvo) every year. They don't buy the car for size of car or luxury features alone. If that was the case Octavia / Superb will sell more than Merc/BMW sedans.

At this price Kona is looking at a discerning buyer as EVs bring a brand value and aspirational value to the buyer - albeit at lower price point. As GTO pointed Kona has sold out 300 bookings they had for India. I think they can safely sell 3000-4000 cars per year - equivalent to a luxury marque's product line.

~m

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by NTO

i20 petrol: 500000
i20 diesel: 600000

Comparison with something that does 0-100 in less than 10 seconds would have been better! Even Compass petrol auto would have been a good candidate.

Let's not forget that 30L Rupee car would always be a 30L Rupee car in terms of status symbol. Being a import, I am sure very few Desi cars can match this car in terms of quality/safety and feel good factor