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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kits imported from China - I guess it was only a matter of time. Expect many more to offer such conversions once EVs gain a bit of popularity. Just be warned. Like LPG & CNG kits: 1. You'll get what you pay for. 2. Installation & part quality will be key to safety & reliability. 3. Factory fit is factory fit and will always be worth the premium. I wish these guys the best, but am always wary of fresh new companies that make tall claims (e.g. 1000 cars / month, "already in discussions with many Japanese and Thai carmakers", name-dropping Stanford etc.). |
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| ![]() I appreciate the spirit of innovation that these guys have displayed. It is always great to see young people trying to innovate and invent. However I am skeptical on the effective impact that this innovation will bring in. Lets say I have a mid-life Alto. It has a small gasoline engine, fairly frugal and reliable. Now shall I spend some money(anything beyond 20K would be a considerable percentage of the car's market value) to convert it to an EV and lose the following: 1. Maruti Service centre support 2. Ability to drive any distance more than 150 km. Nowadays in the big Indian metros, 150km can be easily covered in a day if you want to pick up your friend from the airport and then go around town for shopping and hopping. 3. Ability to drive beyond 80-90 kmph. Nowadays the roads in the cities has become better and sometimes if makes sense to cruise along in 90-100 kmph safely with in town. And the what do I gain? 1. Very cheap running cost. However, I need to break even the cost of conversion in order to get any financial advantage. I should also add the reduced resale value (modified/converted EV still has a lower resale/public faith) to the conversion cost. 2. The 'green' feeling. Though the 'green'-ness is questionable when you factor in the battery generation CO2 footprint and charging station CO2 footprint. Also, even if this custom-ev conversion tech is refined by these guys in the coming future, there is very slim chance of this making any real sense because: 1. The real EVs will be more affordable. So folks will buy a new EV than to retrofit their IC engine cars. 2. The real EVs will have more range/power than what this custom-ev conversion will be able to achieve. This is because the real EVs are designed to be EVs from grounds up and thus out perform a custom made eV from a IC engined car. Thus, I do not see much impact in this innovation. |
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| ![]() Neither do I see this making any impact. More over their website screams juggad. More of a DIY using cheap Chinese components. No technical info about batteries, motor, mounting options. But this will become main stream once our Courts/Govts starts banning ICE cars for various reasons. It would work out much cheaper to convert your ICE car to electric than to scrap your old car and be forced to buy an Electric vehicle. OEMs will start supplying retrofit kits to convert your vehicle. Bosch is already working on such systems. |
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Check this: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKCN1N00ZX First let us move out of conventional powered power stations to renewable energy, and then we can think of electric cars. I think ICE cars are here to stay for good. | |
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| ![]() “We buy old cars, refurbish them, remove all the petrol or diesel related components and install electric kits. That’s at the essence of it. The process itself is quite complex, especially integrating the electric components. Nonetheless, over a period of more than two years, we have mastered the process,” says Sathya Yalamanchalli, the 32-year-old Founder of E-Trio, speaking to The Better India. "After charging it for a full five hours, your car can run for 150 km. " "For the time being, e-Trio is looking at business-to-business (B2B) sales" "e-Trio will charge their clients a little under $10,000 (Rs 7.18 lakh) for the entire process of retrofitting one vehicle" Some very telling information quoted from this article. Its bound to be dead on arrival at that price point. Seriously 7.2 Lakhs to resurrect a 7 year old Alto ![]() Atleast the e2o gives you a brand new (and fairly hi-tech) car for similar money - why in their right mind would anyone prefer this retrofit over the e2o... Not even getting into why you would want to consider such basic EV's at these price points to begin with. Last edited by adisag : 19th November 2018 at 14:56. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I am doing some research on the subject of EVs in general, and I just stumbled on this thread. I agree with previous posts: The price point @ 7.2L is reminiscent of ME's E2O and eVerito. The comparison does not pale there. The range @ 150 km is similar to that of the E2O (100km/140km). Further , as others have pointed out - a car with a new set of batteries will probably deliver a range such as claimed, so forgive me for asking:
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| ![]() This is crude but interesting as well. More true for B2B conversion. Since these guys have ARAI approval, i will trust them with the kit. I do have a few questions though: a) Is the 3-5 lacs price inclusive of the battery? b) What is the battery replacement cost? c) How will the regular maintenance happen? d) What happens to the drive-train of the donor vehicle? Is the kit price in exchange of the engine/gearbox? e) Is the 150/180 km range as per ARAI test cycle or are these real world numbers? f) Wont this conversion affect the vehicle stability? More true for cars like wagon-r with high COG? |
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Senior - BHPian | ![]() What is not evident from the article . Is the existing engine and gear box taken out and replaced with an electric motor? . Is there a provision for fitting extra batteries? . How if at all does an AC work. If there how much battery will it consume per hour? |
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| ![]() The main part of the cost are the Lithium batteries, where the Lithium almost always comes from the Land of the Bamboo Curtain. So this is but logical. that the Chinese will play a major role (direct or indirect) in these developments. In any case not too many EV conversions will get rid of the 'dead weight' of the conventional drive train. So this is worth watching. |
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It's a start, and I am sure people who have more than 2 vehicles and having an old Alto/Omini/Gypsy lying around will be interested. Imagine the market it created, they can attract Chevy customers, discontinued model customers like Matiz/Ritz/A-Star/Sumo/Santro/Accent/Ikon and maybe an Ambassador. The scope is limitless. Commercial vehicle owners, like maybe a factory owner who does regular deliveries of their goods within city will be potential targets. Flood affected vehicles can be converted, accident cars and also the scrap cars can be converted. I think this will be a huge success, but again this is my personal opinion. Only the customers who got their vehicles retrofitted can comment on pain areas and practical issues. | ||
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| ![]() Can someone do the math as to in which conditions this thing is going to make economic sense? I can't make sense out of this. |
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| ![]() What price does one put on the refinement, the zero engine noise, the no gear drive, the instant torque and the not having to worry about regular service? |
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