[wheelguy]

Decision to introduce Nexon EV based on cost factor: Tata Motors

• Shailesh Chandra, president, electric mobility business and corporate strategy, Tata Motors said the current positive mood on SUVs and the less price-sensitive nature of the buyer base in the segment were also behind the decision of launching Nexon electric vehicle (EV)

• Chandra said the company does not have a production number in mind for the Nexon EV but it can ramp it up very quickly, given that it is already doing the ICE version of the Nexon at its factories.

• Tata Motors’ decision to introduce the electric version of Nexon SUV was based on several calculations, including the cost factor, Shailesh Chandra, president, electric mobility business and corporate strategy, Tata Motors, said on Friday.

• “When you talk about a segment above Rs 10 lakh, the consumers are not very price sensitive. They look for technology and new features. So, I said this is the segment, where we have more opportunity,” Chandra said.

• Tata Motors is also hoping that it will have an edge over its competitors due to the price range of the Nexon EV.

• “The price of EVs available in the market now is 2-2.5 times of the comparable ICE cars. Research showed us that if the EV price is within 25% premium of the ICE car, there is a higher chance of customers buying it. We have tried to optimize and strike the balance between price, range, performance and aspirational features,” Chandra said.

• He said that logically a “sustainable” EV version on an entry level car (equivalent of the Tiago) is still some 2-3 years away till the price of the batteries come down.

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[SoumenD]

Walkaround videos started pouring in. But since there's the embargo, no opinions as of now. The front definitely looks mature now.

https://youtu.be/LwTgqPQl5A0

Source: Motoroctane

[shawshank]

Originally Posted by discoverwild

I'm not sure if ARAI certified the Kona to deliver 451 kms or whether it was Hyundai's claim. Tata claimed 300+ kms and ARAI certified it to be 312 kms.

Googled and got these:
https://www.rushlane.com/hyundai-kon...-12316094.html


https://www.cardekho.com/car-faqs/hy...ectric-12.html


Interview in this link reflects rather poorly on ARAI
https://www.financialexpress.com/ind...group/1644037/

[Sabyasworld]

App demo

https://youtu.be/otzcrNHV7mI

[Vmv]

Few pictures from TML FB page. The car look more matured from the front. Love it already

Like others the turn indicators are integrated in DRLs.

[knaveen]

Wow. Just wow. Acceleration from stand still looks great. May be TC is essential? These are 215 section tyres!

https://twitter.com/BunnyPunia/statu...233366528?s=08

[Raghuwire]

Originally Posted by knaveen

Wow. Just wow. Acceleration from stand still looks great. May be TC is essential? These are 215 section tyres!

https://twitter.com/BunnyPunia/statu...233366528?s=08

Wowwww. That 0 to 60 acceleration is just insane. It just took off!

[damodar]

With this sort of acceleration available Nexon EV seems to be quite a package for city users. In crawling traffic where an IC engine struggles to perform efficiently, this one is in its element. Can't wait for the Altroz EV now.

https://youtu.be/BmeFaaJ4g_M

[wheelguy]

1. https://twitter.com/BunnyPunia/statu...233366528?s=08

2. https://youtu.be/BmeFaaJ4g_M

This is what the media cars undergo and that too multiple times. Those range figures are instantaneous/real-time calculations based on the driving styles. Judging the range based on the screenshots of such media cars isn't right.

The manufacturer claims are based on ARAI tests which were quite off from the real world conditions. Manufacturer had every right to claim the the range based on ARAI tests, it is testing agency who needs to be blamed. Infact Hyundai claimed 452 km range for Kona which is quite off from its claims in other markets, all thanks to ARAI. Quoting from Kona's official review:

The ARAI-approved range for the 39.2 kWh Kona is 452 km. Being the official figure, this is the range that is being touted in all marketing material, as well as most reviews. However, let’s be clear that this is very far from the realistic range you can expect the Kona to return. For the ARAI test, the car is run at a constant speed of 40-45 km/h on a flat road and there is no wind resistance. Unrealistic.

In real-world conditions, international reviews as well as a few Indian owners have reported figures ranging between 250-350 km.

In our road-test, we managed to get:

• 288 km on a city + highway trip (223 km traveled + 54 km range remaining + 10 km calculated adjustment for starting at 98%).

• 258 km in Mumbai city traffic + 3 hrs of AC when parked (164 km traveled + 94 km range remaining)

Mind you, in neither of these cases were we trying to prolong the range in any way. In fact, we were pushing the car a lot harder than most people would in normal driving.

Consistently getting above 250 km of range is excellent for an EV in today's times.

Simply put, if you’re using the Kona as a purely city car, range should not be a concern whatsoever. However, if you regularly approach 250 km/day, managing range will require some planning.

Can't see people who did the analysis here on this thread on the Kona's thread which came way before Nexon EV! Positive or negative comments are okay but not the bias.

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Would not be ideal to compare with a single screenshot, unless we know how exactly the car was driven till that point. Media drives usually involve spirited driving, acceleration runs, a lot of idling with a/c on during shooting, very slow speed tracking runs to get the moving shots etc.

These aren't 'real world' conditions.

+1 to that.

[XRoader_001]

I think ARAI testing should be done keeping in mind that the maximum range declared by the manufacturer is subject to varied conditions.The certified ARAI range for Hyundai Kona is 452 km. However ,when it comes to real world experience the figures are different. Two of my friends owning ekona get a range of 370-390 kms at an average speed of 80-90 km/hour in Comfort Mode with regenerative braking at level two (of course on highway). Keeping in view the facts and figures ARAI should either alter the testing system of Evs or specify that the range at specific conditions, the range figure of 452 km for Kona, 312 km for Nexon ev and 340 km for Zs Ev should be the maximum these evs can manage this making sense.(excluding hyper milling etc )

Tata motors has pointed out that customers are willing to pay 25% more on an Ev versus ICE cars.Tata seems to have a mind towards pricing the Evs they would offer. The Tata Ev team pointed 25% more price above the Nexon Amt that’s really smart of Tata Motors. Any economically sound person would definitely make comparisons. Especially early Ev adopters ,I mean 340 km for Zs ev at price of ₹ 20-25 lakh and 312 km Nexon ev at price of ₹ 15-17 Lakh.For mere 28 kms a customer would rethink to spend ₹ 4-6 lakh. I think MG needs to rethink the price in the competitive market. While for me personally looking forward for eAltroz and Tata is smart launching an ICE car to an Ev variant makes economic sense along with easy adaptability in market.

[Aditya]

Thanks to the Team-BHP fan (he prefers to remain anonymous) who sent these images in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing it with other enthusiasts via this page!

Here is the sales presentation for the Nexon EV.

[sri_tesla]

Does this mean, Nexon EV has only 25 KW fast charging capability? If true, that would be a big drawback IMO. Hopefully, it has at least 50 KW fast charging capability.

[wheelguy]

Wonder what is the approach they used to keep battery pack temperature in the ideal range when temperatures are sub-zero or say below 10 °C. If they use the car's HVAC system to heat up the battery, then that would consume a lot of energy from the battery. What's the approach used in other EVs like Kona, ZS EV, Leaf, and Tesla etc?

[ohaak]

Originally Posted by wheelguy

Wonder what is the approach they used to keep battery pack temperature in the ideal range when temperatures are sub-zero or say below 10 °C. If they use the car's HVAC system to heat up the battery, then that would consume a lot of energy from the battery. What's the approach used in other EVs like Kona, ZS EV, Leaf, and Tesla etc?

The good mainstream products are liquid cooled. https://www.comsol.com/blogs/analyzi...-battery-pack/

[mohanphadnis]

Originally Posted by wheelguy

Wonder what is the approach they used to keep battery pack temperature in the ideal range when temperatures are sub-zero or say below 10 °C. If they use the car's HVAC system to heat up the battery, then that would consume a lot of energy from the battery. What's the approach used in other EVs like Kona, ZS EV, Leaf, and Tesla etc?

They generally have a heat pump to heat up the batteries, that is the reason the range of EVs can drop as much as 50% in cold weather. The hit dues to hot climate is actually way lesser at only 18-20%. There is a nice article in verge explaining the effects of extreme weather on EVs.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/10/1...r-polar-vortex

They are quoting AAA figures in the article, so I consider it more reliable than manufacturer's