Re: Kotak: Merely 5% of Indian cars will be electric by 2030 Quote:
Originally Posted by stanjohn123 How is pollution reducing if we are using same old fossil fuels to generate electricity that mainly power EV vehicles ?
We are just replacing Petrol/Diesel in ICE's with Coal to power the batteries in EV's. |
Not really sure if that is right since there is a lot of energy being spent on extraction, refining and transport of petroleum products for you to fill up the petrol/diesel in your car.
Think its much more efficient to transport electricity rather than petroleum products! Quote:
Originally Posted by stanjohn123 Coming close to year 2020 we have reached only 10% of renewable capacity plants which includes Solar and Wind to generate electricity.
If we are still going to depend on coal to generate majority of our electricity needs, it's really discouraging in the environment front. |
10%?
Below are the percentages from the Power Ministry. https://powermin.nic.in/en/content/p...ance-all-india
Coal - 54.3%
Lignite - 1.7%
Gas - 6.9%
Diesel -0.2%
Nuclear -1.9%
Hydro - 12.6%
RES - 22%
(Note: RES (Renewable Energy Sources) include Small Hydro Project, Biomass Gasifier, Biomass Power, Urban & Industrial Waste Power, Solar and Wind Energy.)
So the figures for renewables are 22 + 12.6 =33.6% Quote:
Originally Posted by stanjohn123 But there is a high % transmission and distribution loss with electricity already. Almost 20% of generation https://m.indiamacroadvisors.com/rep...n-transmission
When we add more EV's to the grid this is only going to worsen as we will be needing to import and burn more coal. The issue here is how badly we are adopting this tech in India as we have too many limitations which no one is addressing properly. |
The losses are usually of the range of 5 -10% (including transmission and distribution) the world over though in India it has got to do more with the distribution losses due to other reasons. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3
If we are to look at the complete picture, then it should include the entire gamut of energy required for operations for the current car industry as well. - The amount of energy required to manufacture a complete car - Assuming the drive train to be the major difference in the components between the ICE and the EV, the ICE would have 2000+ parts whereas the EV would have 20+.
- The efficiency of the car - ICE efficiency is like 15-20% at the max (fuel to the wheels) whereas most of the EVs its 65-70% (grid to the wheels).
- Efficiency depending up on the type of power used. (Efficiency of Power Plant * Efficiency of EV)
- Steam power plant would be (30% * 65% = 20%) which is on par with the ICE.
- Diesel Power plant (35% * 65% = 25%)
- Nuclear Power Plant (55%* 65% = 35%)
- Hydro Electric (85% * 65% = 55%)
- Distribution losses – The energy required for the transportation costs of electricity is nothing compared to the energy costs for transporting oil to petrol bunks. Also the losses (like 5%) during distribution are much lesser.
- Extraction energy costs – Energy used for Extracting crude oil and refining to produce vs Energy used for extracting Lithium and carbon
- Servicing energy costs over the life time of a car – EVs require very little servicing though how much is a question mark.
So the EV has a worst case efficiency which matches the best efficiency of ICE with lower distribution and servicing energy costs and offers recyclability. Extraction energy costs can be debatable till hard numbers come by. |