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| ![]() I am expecting a drastic change here once Maruti, Hyundai and Mahindra launch Electric cars within Rs. 10 lakhs with running range of 200kms. These charging stations will come like mushrooms on Fuel pumps, Dhabhas, Hotels along highways. In todays world, technology is changing so rapidly that anything can happen within a small span of time. Don't be a Nokia, be a Samsung. |
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| ![]() The Home Alone Boys In the early ’90s, the ‘Bombay Club’ came together to stall liberalisation. Quote:
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| ![]() Quote: ![]() There is a significant difference between the industrialists stalling economic liberalisation in the 1990s vs Rahul Bajajs objection to the proposed govt policy today. The former is a bunch of private businessmen being afraid of competition from outside India lobbying the government to continue its protectionist chokehold over the economy for their own private gains. They are thus embracing heavy government intervention on the market for their own benefit. The latter is a Businessman objecting to government intervention in the market to favour one business (EV) over the other(ICE n hybrid). The two scenarios are completely different. Also the government doesn’t deserve any praise for the economic liberalisation in the 90s. That’s what they should have done all along the moment British left. And the fact that they did eventually do it was primarily due to the fact that the Indian economy and the government was on the verge of going broke. It was on the verge of a balance of payment crisis and had no other options on the table other than liberalisation, else it would have been Weimar Republic 2.0. | |
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| ![]() After reading this thread, it seems that the single most important factor people are worried about are - charging infrastructure (as it takes care of range anxiety). The upfront capex / price of the car is a lot bigger problem to be solved. Now, considering how improvising & entrepreneurial people here generally are, I think charging infra is kind of easy to take care of. For e.g. if there is enough demand, every dhaba, pan walla, even grocery store, will have an additional socket outside their store with a separate meter where you can pay based on your consumption. Of course, these would not be fancy superchargers, etc. but nobody will be stranded for want of electricity to charge their vehicles. To give a few examples - In Goa as petrol pumps are far, you can buy petrol in water litre bottles practically everywhere. Whenever a new office complex / building opens, you will find many vendors selling tea, snacks, etc. mushrooming around in no time. |
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| ![]() Wow, People have strong feelings against Bajaj. I appreciate him for speaking out when the others don't dare. He's given us some of the best and most affordable two wheelers ever. ICE engines need to go eventually but the Government needs to provide a solution and a road map and not ad hoc decisions and deadlines. Bajaj's claim that EVs are being rejected by the populace is true, due to the reasons of affordability, charging practicality. Once these are resolved people will embrace EVs. All the Government needs to do is create an environment for them. Like a lot of members have already mentioned, we can start by making all the public transport EV based at the earliest. That will also give real world experience and difficulties in having to support mass EVs. I am pretty sure that if they plan to ban ICE manufacturing after six years, existing cars would be next in line to be banned. All this when the EVs cost a bomb and without a proper(Atleast not disclosed) plan of power production VS distribution ? I for one think Bajaj is bang on (he might have his agenda) but there needs a lot of home work done by the government before announcing these rule changes, a la demonetization. I liked and agree the following quote from Bajaj, I think it sums up the decision of banning ICE vehicles in six years aptly. Quote:
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| ![]() While I was convinced that Mr Bajaj had vested interests in going against the Gov move, a few days of thinking has given me a different perspective. I see some members here comparing it to the Mobile Phone transformation from feature to smart. What we fail to realise is that the chargers came with the phone and the charging infrastructure was already in place in our homes. The same cannot be said for a car and a forced transition in this case can be disastrous. What if I forget to charge my EV overnight or if there is a power outage or some kid in my building decides to play with the cord and disconnects the cord. Charging a car is not as simple as refueling and thats where the concern is. Today, if a pump near my house is not functioning, I can go to another pump 2-3 kms down the lane, refuel in 2 mins and move on. What if there is a power outage in my block? Do I drive 3-4 kms to a charging point and stand 60-90 mins for a 50% recharge in a city where parking space is as rare as pot hole free road? I am all for EVs and I am of the firm opinion that 2 wheelers need to be the first to be transitioned simply because of the sheer volume of two wheelers on our roads. But this cannot be done without a concrete plan in place. If the Gov has a plan to put at least 70% of the Infra in place before the deadline then brilliant. Go for it! |
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What is needed is huge incentives for employers to add chargers to every parking lot. Incentives for every apartment parking lot to have chargers. Every home to have chargers. The government, or small time merchants cannot make up for this task. Considering the amount of charge, and the size of the battery, it would be foolhardy for juggad - it would be down right dangerous to use inexpensive cables, switches and such. I have known of fires in my city when they get budget electricians to install charging outlets for EVs at home. Quote:
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| ![]() Better articulation of their position & good suggestions. https://www.businesstoday.in/top-sto...ry/354926.html |
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| ![]() Why impose BSVI in 2020 just to make it obsolete in another 5 years (2025) by EVs? Transition from current BSIV to BSVI itself would take huge investment from the manufacturer's end and also push the prices up in terms of switching from Carb to Fi... and it would definitely impact sales and affect business .. and then when things might finally steamline in next 5 years, those BSVI engines stands a chance to be Banned and replaced by EVs...!! If I were a businessman in the Auto business, I might start looking at diversification of business. Better would have been a Govt. directive to switch straight to EVs, rather than implementing BSVI just for 6 years. Quote:
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I can't imagine a crowded country like India waiting in lines behind other vehicles to be charged, no-matter how many charging stations there might be in the country. Unless of course its a Charge "Top-Up' in less than a Minute kind of tech. Last edited by moralfibre : 16th July 2019 at 10:17. Reason: Back to back posts. | ||
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| ![]() The need to shift to EV is from emissions point of view. Right now both petrol and LPG/CNG are used as bifuel in IC engines. The engine is designed to operate on a compression ratio that is specific to petrol only. Note that LPG has a higher octane rating compared to petrol and can operate at higher compression ratios. That being the case why the manufacturers are not looking at making engines that run on LPG/CNG only. |
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Then why does an engine running on lpg produce lower power and torque as compared to while running on petrol? | |
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| ![]() As the EV charging time is hours compared to the minutes used for fossil-fuels, this will create a lot of traffic and congestion in the charging points. Other than overnight home charging, the only solution may be, customers have to come to an agreement with the "charging providers" for a battery swap at their charging points. That means, wherever I drive in India, I should be able to swap my car's drained battery with a "full charged" battery from these charging points. Last edited by romeomidhun : 16th July 2019 at 10:49. |
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My thought is to design and build an engine that operates on LPG/CNG only. By this we can achieve higher compression ratios, more power and less emissions. Recently TVS launched a 2 wheeler that is meant to run on Ethanol only. | |
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| ![]() I dont see a E-Bike from Bajaj that is in pipeline for near future. I am not sure how aggressive or well entrenched they are in making one. There might be some issues with the govt's push. But for manufacturers, they need to have products in the market and let the market decide how much they can consume. There will not be a day when there will be only e-vehicles and no electricity to charge them. Lots of solutions are expected to come by vehicle manufacturers and new enterprises. Its not completely the govt that will enable this. |
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To address your first point, Bajaj are expected to launch an Electric scooter soon. (Bajaj Urbanite) Article is from May 2019. https://auto.ndtv.com/news/bajaj-urb...esting-2042584 The ICE industry supports millions of jobs, directly or indirectly in India, another reason why the Government should be careful before banning the tech completely. - Slick | |
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