Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant

srishiva · 15th July 2019, 12:11

I see related threads show up along with this thread. Not sure if there has been any advancement in the proposed plans as shown below. Atleast the govt should provide tax cuts for batteries used in the packs initially.

Who is Tata working with for the technology ? I think LG and panasonic are leaders.

aniketi · 15th July 2019, 13:03

Great news! Hope Tata will launch commercial version of Tiago Electric car soon. With this plant hopefully they will be able to price it at reasonable rate which is the need of the moment. Currently 99% people run away once they hear the price of the electric car

Sometime back there was news about Suzuki having Hybrid technology ready for cars like Swift. It has the engine of around 650 cc and in addition it will have Li-ion battery. It was reported that car will return FE of around 48 with this Hybrid engine. Not sure what happened to that development, nothing heard in last 1-2 years. I think India needs such vehicles at the moment for next 5-7 years as we are still far away from fully electric cars due to cost and infrastructure issues. It will gives some breathing time to get infra ready which is very much required for electric cars.

airbender · 15th July 2019, 20:20

Looks like someone is betting big on EV future instead of just cribbing.

https://auto.economictimes.indiatime...plant/70185163

binoybnair · 15th July 2019, 22:04

Apologies for being slightly off-topic here, but as these Li-Ion battery powered EVs become more common, some of them are bound to crash into things and catch fire. These fires are extremely difficult to put out (one main reason being the thermal runaway of the Li-Ion cells) with conventional fire extinguishers or with the amount of water carried by most fire tenders. If the Indian market is going to be flooded by EVs in near future, this is something that our first responders need to be ready for.

Aravind_M92 · 16th July 2019, 07:13

I have my doubts regarding Li ion batteries. It is a well established fact that all electrical equipment work to their maximum efficiency at a set 'operating temperature'. Indian being a tropical country, I wonder how efficiently the battery technology would work! We definitely need a breakthrough in battery technology or technology in general where in electrical equipment give their best performance at higher temperatures. Also considering the fact that the batteries are quite sensitive to vibrations and jerks, how well would they perform on Indian roads? And we Indians are known for a fact, use a product till cries for help. I wonder how the maintenance scene would be. We hold on to bulged phone batteries, wonder what it would be with those huge car batteries!
Hopefully there is a technological breakthrough soon.

K_Drive · 16th July 2019, 08:24

Very interesting talk by Tata Motors CEO & MD, Mr. Guenter Butschek at the Oxford EV summit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzy5cbJtAgo

shortbread · 13th June 2022, 23:37

Tata/JLR planning battery gigafactory in the UK.

Tata has reportedly earmarked two UK sites for a new EV battery factory for it's JLR entity. The reports say the company is currently pushing the UK government to provide financial incentives and if no agreement is reached, Tata has threatened to shift EV battery production to Slovakia. But this threat has been downplayed by ministers, who have called it a “negotiating tactic”.

The two sites on Tata’s shortlist are the Teesworks site in Redcar, Yorkshire, and the soon-to-be-built Gravity Business Park in Bridgwater, Somerset - which in 2020 was tipped as a potential location for Tesla to build a European battery production facility. The Johnson governments' previous efforts to attracts investments from Tesla and Rivian have proved unsuccessful so far.

A final decision from JLR is expected at the end of June, as the firm progresses with plans to launch electric versions of the new Range Rover and Range Rover Sport in 2024 and reinvent Jaguar as an all-electric luxury brand the following year.

Tata had earlier started talks with chinese battery maker Envision AESC about producing power sources for its Land Rover and Range Rover models, which sparked rumours of a UK site. Envision currently has battery supply deals with Nissan, Mercedes... including batteries for the current Leaf. At the time, it remained tight-lipped over any potential agreement.

Envision will start mass producing it's denser batteries in 2024 that will give an electric vehicle a driving range of at least 1,000 kilometres. The company will pack the cells closely together and improve storage efficiency, which will shorten charging time by around 30% to under 20 minutes. In addition Envision also aims to start marketing its all-solid-state battery by 2025.

In the meantime Tata Steel has announced that it is investing in a new slitting line at its Hartlepool Tube Mill. The steel tubes will be used for cylindrical battery cells. Hartlepool site to process coils of steel delivered from Tata's Port Talbot steel making site in South Wales. All of the steel products made at the site, where al .almost 300 people work producing up to 200,000 tonnes of steel tubes a year, are 100 per cent recyclable.

It's unclear if any of this will have an impact on Tata Motor's Indian battery manufacturing/sourcing plans. Albeit it is interesting to note who Tata is collaborating with for it's UK battery plans.

aditya79india · 14th June 2022, 13:02

But there has literally been no news in public domain about how they are going to harness the tech transfer from ISRO. Tehre was some news about Tata Chem putting up a plant for Li-Ion Cells at Dholera circa 2019 but no followup since.

maint1234 · 16th June 2022, 10:29

Kind of bugging that TATA is investing so much in the uk while hedging on manufacturing in India . And this after burning its fingers with the 12 b usd acquisition of Corus steel in 2008 , worth nothing now, and the Jaguar 2.3 b usd buy also in 2008. Has Jaguar given any financial returns to Tata, with billions in capital investments after the acquisition ?
Both India and uk have no experience in li ion cells manufacturing and companies in the west do source the cells from a few manufacturers in korea and china. So the transportation advantage does not add up. And easily offset by the manpower cost .
For the nexon ev, tata imports the battery cells, motors, AC DC converters, sunroof , components of the BMS, etc.
Lots of scope for manufacturing in India.

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srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	Re: Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant I see related threads show up along with this thread. Not sure if there has been any advancement in the proposed plans as shown below. Atleast the govt should provide tax cuts for batteries used in the packs initially. Who is Tata working with for the technology ? I think LG and panasonic are leaders. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by srishiva : 15th July 2019 at 12:12.
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aniketi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 2,001 Thanked: 2,778 Times	Re: Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant Great news! Hope Tata will launch commercial version of Tiago Electric car soon. With this plant hopefully they will be able to price it at reasonable rate which is the need of the moment. Currently 99% people run away once they hear the price of the electric car Sometime back there was news about Suzuki having Hybrid technology ready for cars like Swift. It has the engine of around 650 cc and in addition it will have Li-ion battery. It was reported that car will return FE of around 48 with this Hybrid engine. Not sure what happened to that development, nothing heard in last 1-2 years. I think India needs such vehicles at the moment for next 5-7 years as we are still far away from fully electric cars due to cost and infrastructure issues. It will gives some breathing time to get infra ready which is very much required for electric cars. Last edited by aniketi : 15th July 2019 at 13:06.
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airbender BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: miami. fl Posts: 452 Thanked: 205 Times	Re: Rajiv Bajaj's blistering attack on the Government's "shift to EV" plan Looks like someone is betting big on EV future instead of just cribbing. https://auto.economictimes.indiatime...plant/70185163
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binoybnair Newbie Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 14 Thanked: 92 Times	Re: Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant Apologies for being slightly off-topic here, but as these Li-Ion battery powered EVs become more common, some of them are bound to crash into things and catch fire. These fires are extremely difficult to put out (one main reason being the thermal runaway of the Li-Ion cells) with conventional fire extinguishers or with the amount of water carried by most fire tenders. If the Indian market is going to be flooded by EVs in near future, this is something that our first responders need to be ready for.
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Aravind_M92 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: MAA-BOM-DEL-THN Posts: 196 Thanked: 577 Times	Re: Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant I have my doubts regarding Li ion batteries. It is a well established fact that all electrical equipment work to their maximum efficiency at a set 'operating temperature'. Indian being a tropical country, I wonder how efficiently the battery technology would work! We definitely need a breakthrough in battery technology or technology in general where in electrical equipment give their best performance at higher temperatures. Also considering the fact that the batteries are quite sensitive to vibrations and jerks, how well would they perform on Indian roads? And we Indians are known for a fact, use a product till cries for help. I wonder how the maintenance scene would be. We hold on to bulged phone batteries, wonder what it would be with those huge car batteries! Hopefully there is a technological breakthrough soon.
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shortbread Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KL 7 Posts: 2,393 Thanked: 6,297 Times	Tata/JLR planning battery gigafactory in the UK. Tata/JLR planning battery gigafactory in the UK. Tata has reportedly earmarked two UK sites for a new EV battery factory for it's JLR entity. The reports say the company is currently pushing the UK government to provide financial incentives and if no agreement is reached, Tata has threatened to shift EV battery production to Slovakia. But this threat has been downplayed by ministers, who have called it a “negotiating tactic”. The two sites on Tata’s shortlist are the Teesworks site in Redcar, Yorkshire, and the soon-to-be-built Gravity Business Park in Bridgwater, Somerset - which in 2020 was tipped as a potential location for Tesla to build a European battery production facility. The Johnson governments' previous efforts to attracts investments from Tesla and Rivian have proved unsuccessful so far. A final decision from JLR is expected at the end of June, as the firm progresses with plans to launch electric versions of the new Range Rover and Range Rover Sport in 2024 and reinvent Jaguar as an all-electric luxury brand the following year. Tata had earlier started talks with chinese battery maker Envision AESC about producing power sources for its Land Rover and Range Rover models, which sparked rumours of a UK site. Envision currently has battery supply deals with Nissan, Mercedes... including batteries for the current Leaf. At the time, it remained tight-lipped over any potential agreement. Envision will start mass producing it's denser batteries in 2024 that will give an electric vehicle a driving range of at least 1,000 kilometres. The company will pack the cells closely together and improve storage efficiency, which will shorten charging time by around 30% to under 20 minutes. In addition Envision also aims to start marketing its all-solid-state battery by 2025. In the meantime Tata Steel has announced that it is investing in a new slitting line at its Hartlepool Tube Mill. The steel tubes will be used for cylindrical battery cells. Hartlepool site to process coils of steel delivered from Tata's Port Talbot steel making site in South Wales. All of the steel products made at the site, where al .almost 300 people work producing up to 200,000 tonnes of steel tubes a year, are 100 per cent recyclable. It's unclear if any of this will have an impact on Tata Motor's Indian battery manufacturing/sourcing plans. Albeit it is interesting to note who Tata is collaborating with for it's UK battery plans.
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aditya79india BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: DELHI Posts: 370 Thanked: 515 Times	Re: Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant But there has literally been no news in public domain about how they are going to harness the tech transfer from ISRO. Tehre was some news about Tata Chem putting up a plant for Li-Ion Cells at Dholera circa 2019 but no followup since.
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maint1234 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: chandigarh Posts: 20 Thanked: 38 Times	Re: Tata Group to invest Rs. 4,000 Cr in a lithium-ion battery plant Kind of bugging that TATA is investing so much in the uk while hedging on manufacturing in India . And this after burning its fingers with the 12 b usd acquisition of Corus steel in 2008 , worth nothing now, and the Jaguar 2.3 b usd buy also in 2008. Has Jaguar given any financial returns to Tata, with billions in capital investments after the acquisition ? Both India and uk have no experience in li ion cells manufacturing and companies in the west do source the cells from a few manufacturers in korea and china. So the transportation advantage does not add up. And easily offset by the manpower cost . For the nexon ev, tata imports the battery cells, motors, AC DC converters, sunroof , components of the BMS, etc. Lots of scope for manufacturing in India.
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