[CCRider]

Originally Posted by nitish13

Hello everyone
I have booked the atto 3 just 2 days. The dealer here was reluctant to share any details officially. Just said that currently they are taking pre launch booking of 25 vehicles only. In terms of pricing he said mostly it will be in the range of 25-30 lakhs ex-showroom.

Good for you. Did the dealer mention any rough delivery time lines (unofficially) ?
I am hoping there would be a variant priced around 25L so it will fall within my budget.

[bionics]

Originally Posted by CCRider

Good for you. Did the dealer mention any rough delivery time lines (unofficially) ?
I am hoping there would be a variant priced around 25L so it will fall within my budget.

I too did an "unofficial" booking. Was told of approx delivery in Jan or Feb 2023. The estimated OTR was said to be 30 to 35 lakhs. Will get more details once launched in October. Attaching a brochure sent by them. Interesting to see that it offers only heated seats and not cooled ones. Otherwise, it's a impressive feature list.

[Vrrooommm]

That hideous AC vent alone can take some of the sales away from Atto 3. Otherwise decent spec if it is priced right. Hope the 50 KW model will be priced on par with MG ZS EV.

[das_ren_auto]

Originally Posted by bionics

Attaching a brochure sent by them. Interesting to see that it offers only heated seats and not cooled ones. Otherwise, it's a impressive feature list.

Attachment 2358130

The brochure seems to be lifted from BYD Australia website

https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3

[bordeaux]

Originally Posted by Vrrooommm

That hideous AC vent alone can take some of the sales away from Atto 3. Otherwise decent spec if it is priced right. Hope the 50 KW model will be priced on par with MG ZS EV.

Agreed with that but in the current scenario, I guess anyone/anything that sets our EV scene on fire is welcome to our shores. It'll at least keep the local players engaged and they'll be forced to push the limits.

[nitish13]

Originally Posted by CCRider

Good for you. Did the dealer mention any rough delivery time lines (unofficially) ?
I am hoping there would be a variant priced around 25L so it will fall within my budget.

They gave a tentative delivery timeline of Jan-Feb 2023. Also regarding variant I was told by that executive that most probably only a single long range fully loaded variant will be launched. Though from most of my research, the expectations is of 2 range variants.

[Humane India]

The specifications of the India bound BYD Atto 3 seem to be impressive overall.

I would like to weigh in with few of my observations considering the spec sheets above :-

1. BYD Atto 3 v Tata Nexon EV Max -

(a) Comparing to the first & most successful rival right now - Tata Nexon EV max has an unladen ground clearance of 190mm compared to 175mm of BYD Atto 3, which is less considering Indian road conditions for taking care of battery pack and potential damage to it on very bad roads and badly designed speed breakers.

(b) The Nexon EV Max has a battery pack of 40.5 kWh and certified range of 437 KM as per "MIDC" cycle whereas the BYD Atto 3 has a battery pack 49.92 kWh in its lower variant with a range of 345 KM as per WLTP cycle. Knowing that "Blade" batteries are known for their accurate estimates of range, still is less than that of Nexon EV Max considering a deficit of almost 9 kWh in absolute terms, where on 40.5 kWh battery pack Nexon EV Max is not giving less than 300 KM for most users in worst of driving styles, as in a general observation.

(c) As per the above post's pricing, considering median of 27 Lakh on Road Price for the 49.92 kWh battery pack of Atto 3, a prospective buyer would have to shell out almost 7 lakhs more for - ADAS - 360 Degree Camera - Panoramic Sunroof - Electric Tailgate - Powered Front Seats - 12.8'' Infotainment Screen, which is steep for a reasonable Indian buyer.

(d) As for the typicial mindset of "MOST" prospective buyers, BYD does not, yet, have a justifyable dealership/service network, which would be a negative for the company initially.

2. BYD Atto 3 v MG ZS EV -

(a) The BYD Atto 3 is both long and wider than the MG ZS EV. Also the Atto 3 has a longer wheelbase than the Chinese counterpart. MG does not specify boot capacity but the Atto 3 must have considerably larger boot space at 440 Litres.

(b) There is not much of a difference in terms of battery pack with Atto 3 at 49.92 kWh and MG ZS EV at 50.3 kWh but the claimed range of MG is at 461 (ICAT) whereas Atto 3 offers only 410 (NEDC). Its a point of discussion as to why such high efficient & technologically advanced BLADE battery pack of BYD falls short of its Chinese competitor !!

(c) Both the cars are match for match in terms of features and pricing (almost) but BYD offers a bigger infotainment screen at 12.8" but there is nowhere mention of connected car features being offered on the BYD expressly.

*SUMMARY*
(a) The Nexon EV Max would still be a VALUE FOR MONEY BUY compared to the new entrant in the market.
(b) MG ZS EV will give a tough time for the newbie as MG now is almost well established player in the automotive market of India and India is a market where people mostly do not put trust on a new brand unless they can see their dealerships/service centres at least in the vicinity of 200-300 KM (Worst Case Scenario) of the place they live at.
(c) The BYD Atto 3 looks to be a great product for open minded & early adopters in the EV space of the Indian market, who do not mind to STAND OUT AMONGST THE CROWD !!

[ng565]

One thing we need to keep in mind is that ADAS features actually take a great toll on the battery capacity and most of the functionalities are being offered on Atto 3 are not being offered on E6 which is already priced at 29.15L hence it is bargain in my view since I got the E6 instead of waiting for the Atto 3 to launch

[ng565]

Adding teaser video that I received from dealer Mody BYD here in Hyderabad apart from full video of RHD version from a different country posted YouTube.

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https://youtu.be/vIX21-F0xf4

Mody BYD has started accepting pre launch booking for Atto 3 starting today.

[anti21]

Originally Posted by Humane India

Its a point of discussion as to why such high efficient & technologically advanced BLADE battery pack of BYD falls short of its Chinese competitor !!

Blade battery's superiority isn't in range. The battery is less dense than Li Ion. Its USP is in its life and number of charging cycles, it last 4-5x longer than Li Ion Batteries. Even after that many cycles, it can still retain 70% of their charge. Also, they are much much much safer. It is hard to ignite one. BYD has also decided to give Atto 3 more power rather than longer range. It has much 203 BHP power with 310 NM torque. ZS EV has a 173 BHP power and 230 NM torque. Atto 3 can do 0-100 in 7.3 sec.

Also, they can be charged to 100% using fast charge frequently without affecting the battery life. You'd definitely want this as EV Charging stations become common in India in next 5 years. It is also better for the environment.

Due to above reasons the batteries themselves are much more expensive than Li Ion. And therefore Atto 3 is also more expensive. It also has more equipped tech in ADAS and better Dirac HD music system.

[qaqa]

The Atto3 has a classy and understated exterior. Loved the looks! Just can't digest the interior though. The muscle / sinew / gym themed interior feels so out of place inside such a classy exterior! Hope the interior looks less ghastly than it appears in pictures.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by Humane India

(b) The Nexon EV Max has a battery pack of 40.5 kWh and certified range of 437 KM as per "MIDC" cycle whereas the BYD Atto 3 has a battery pack 49.92 kWh in its lower variant with a range of 345 KM as per WLTP cycle. Knowing that "Blade" batteries are known for their accurate estimates of range, still is less than that of Nexon EV Max considering a deficit of almost 9 kWh in absolute terms, where on 40.5 kWh battery pack Nexon EV Max is not giving less than 300 KM for most users in worst of driving styles, as in a general observation.

Range assumptions based on completely different standards are wrong. MIDC/ARAI range estimates are way more optimistic than the WLTP system. Blade battery is just a format/shape. All the BYD batteries (blade or not) are LFP chemistry. Also, a blade battery does not mean an accurate range or higher range. Hyundai Kona uses an NMC battery and has a higher range per kWh than MG ZS which uses the latest LFP battery from CATL.

Hyundai Kona (39.2 kWh) range:
WLTP = 305 km
ARAI = 452 km

MG ZS (49 kWh) range:
WLTP = 320 km
ARAI/MIDC = 461 km

The best way to compare range is to actually test both vehicles in similar riding conditions, and speeds. Maybe team-bhp will do something in that regard in the future. It takes a lot of time and effort though.

The best thing is, we are going to have a variety of options for EVs in the next 2-3 years and it will be much more exciting than the last 2-3 years. It will be interesting to see if BYD tries to compete with the MG ZS base variant or if they want to price themselves as a premium brand. If MG and BYD want to play the cautious game due to external factors, that leaves an opening for Indian brands like Tata and Mahindra. I hope Hyundai and Kia start taking seriously about Indian EV market. Hyundai was the first brand to introduce the Kona at a good price before anyone else but it's just a branding exercise for them. If they don't wake up and underestimate the huge demand for good EV models then they will start losing market share and mind share in India soon. It's already happening to some extent in the ICE market with the resurgence of Tata and Mahindra.

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by Humane India

BYD Atto 3 has a range of 345 KM as per WLTP cycle.
49.92 kWh battery pack

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

Hyundai Kona (39.2 kWh) range:
WLTP = 305 km
ARAI = 452 km

MG ZS (49 kWh) range:
WLTP = 320 km
ARAI/MIDC = 461 km

ARAI range seems to be approx 44-48% more than WLTP.

So approximately:
Nexon EV
WLTP ~ 214km

Nexon EV Max
WLTP ~ 300km

XUV400
WLTP ~ 312km

Quoting sources over the internet,
BYD E6 range
WLPT = 415km

Volvo XC40 Recharge range
WLTP = 418KM


BYD E6 is a seriously good option for a practical no-frills A-B EV. A True Innova competitor for 5 seater usage. Airport Cabs in NCR can gladly make the switch. Almost matches the 60 lakh Volvo for half the price.

Gathering from this thread, amongst the non luxury Pseudo SUVs for personal use, the BYD Atto 3 has the range advantage as per the WLTP cycle.

[aim120]

Blade batteries are LFP but thats not the reason why its sought by many car manufacturers, since there are many other companies that make LFP.

The Blade battery advantage is the capacity and shape, the battery cell also dispates heat better and the cells itself give strength to the pack.

Blade battery have high Ah capacity, unlike other smaller Ah LFP cells or NMC cells which need hundreds of cells to make battery module. These battery modules are then wired in series to make a battery pack.

So since each module as lot of battery cells in parallel, its not possible to balance each and every cell. The entire row or column of cells connected in parallel is balanced or treated as one cell, in other words the BMS will not know if one or more of the cell is undercharged or overcharged during charging.

So in the case of NMC cells, they never charge it to full 100% of the battery capacity, (100% cell voltage is 4.2v) so they charge it 4v. This way there is headroom for the underperforming cells to be within 4.2v cut off voltage.

Remember a underperforming cell will be the first to report 100% charged (4.2v) because its capacity is lower. So when this underperforming cell is paralleled with a normal cell and when the BMS is balancing, this underperforming cell will be the first to reach cut off voltage for charge and discharge, so the BMS will be programmed with voltage headroom in both HIGH and LOW voltage cut OFF.

In LFP cell because of its flat voltage curve, the BMS will find it even harder to know whether the battery remaining capacity. The advantage of LFP is that it doesn't catch fire in the event of overcharging.

But in a Blade battery because the capacity of each cell in its 2nd Gen version is around 200Ah each, they just need the cells to be connected in series. Making BMS, cooling simpler and battery casing for structural strength redundant.

NCA18650 cells in tesla model S are 3Ah to 3.5Ah, Model 3 21700 are 5Ah to 6Ah. The battery pack has around 6000 to 8000 cells in them, so imagine the complexity in wiring, balancing, cooling etc.

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

MG ZS which uses the latest LFP battery from CATL.

Small correction, MG ZS 50kwh pack is from SAIC subsidiary company shanghai advanced traction battery system co.
MG ZS uses CATL battery in 40kwh and 72kwh which are NMC.

CATL is yet to start producing LFP battery, its also the reason why Tesla is buying LFP batteries from BYD.

[volkman10]

Bengaluru gets first BYD India passenger EV dealership, sixth in the Country.

It arrives ahead of BYD’s second offering for India due to launch in October

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