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| Re: Tata Curvv EV Review I saw curvv today first time. My first impression of seeing it in flesh was, that this is to Nexon, what Dzire is to Swift. I believe the Coupe segment is an encore of the notchbacks, albeit on mini crossovers, rather than hatchbacks, like in 2010s. I am already imagining Venue and Seltos coupes! |
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| Re: Tata Curvv EV Review Tata Curvv EV Comparision :- 1. Tata Curvv EV - Accomplished+ S 55kWh LR - 20.80L on road New Delhi 2. MG ZS EV - Excite Pro 50kWh - 20.80L on road New Delhi What Tata Curvv EV Accomplished+ LR offers MORE OVER MG ZS EV Excite Pro - 1. V2L 2. V2V 3. Fog Lamps With Cornering Function 4. Electric Foldable ORVMs 5. 360 Degree Camera System 6. Blind Spot Monitoring System 7. Navigation View In The Intrument Cluster 8. Front & Rear 45W Charging Ports 9. Leatherette Seat Upholstery 10. Wireless Charging 11. Arcade EV - MG now has some serious catching to do up with Curvv EV - Tata Curvv 55 LR will give a real life range of above 390 km minimum in any driving condition Some Shortcomings Of Tata Curvv EV :- 1. The charging port is still flimsy and the existing problems will still persist with the Curvv also - Tata has not upgraded the casing of the port 2. The front seats will be uncomfortable for people with height more than 6 feet because the back support is very low below shoulder line 3. The hands free tailgate opening sensor is not well caliberated for field of view angle of swiping 4. The utility spaces inside the cabin are the worst in the segment Overall rating for the 55kWh variant - 8/10 PS :- Still would not trust the range stability of the 45kWh variant for cylindrical cells battery pack Last edited by Humane India : 1st September 2024 at 14:52. |
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Recently, I sat in the rear seat of my friend's Vento and noticed that the thigh support was similar to, if not poorer than, my hatchback. However, since I’ll mostly be driving and only occasionally taking long trips with family, I don’t see this as a dealbreaker. | |
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- In my keen observation, not more than 60% of Nexon EV LR users are getting more than 250 km real life range tbh - The sudden range drop issue is a serious concern that Tata is trying to actively ignore, whereas such a breach of performance must be investigated by government authorities across the nation - We will find n number of families of Nexon EV owners where they have been stranded on a highway due to sudden range drops - a scary nightmare - The HV Critical Error is purely due to a bad marriage of fragile BMS and cheap cylindrical cells in the battery pack - The failure actuators of the charging port components is not a thing to be overlooked - It is basics-101 if the car does not charge, god save EV users - If we visit a Tata service centre, we will see a heap of EV stranded month long for repairs due to lack of parts availability - the post ownership experience is pathetic for more than 40% of the EV customers There are many more reason why Tata is failing and will continue to fail unless there is a change is leadership as the current people at the helm of affairs at Tata Motor are taking the QC issues for granted I wonder that is why Indian OEMs cannot compete globally but I look forward to a day where the people around the world will know Tata cars for their quality NOT just safety Last edited by Humane India : 1st September 2024 at 18:21. | |
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1st September 2024, 18:20 | #142 | |
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Curvv 55, Tiago, and Nexon get battery packs made by Giotion. Tiago & Nexon batteries are cylindrical while Curvv 55 has prismatic battery cells. Curvv 45 gets battery pack made by Octillion. Last edited by anb : 1st September 2024 at 18:25. | |
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The major qc issue I have encountered is the infotainment. It has a mind of its own. CarPlay if works consider yourself lucky for my system. Sometimes fm also does not work. On restart it forgets all channels and phones added sometimes. Other than this I have not faced any qc issues. And it has been rock solid in some minor accidents. One bike scraped, one toto hit from back, one scooter hit from back at speed, nothing happened. However I will not probably buy another Tata as they have requirements of AC charging after every few dc charges. With a larger battery pack it is difficult and it defeats the whole purpose. Kind of okay with Nexon as it has a smaller battery pack. Not everywhere you get AC fast charging and in most cases the hotels where you have ac fast charging are expensive. A byd or something where AC fast charging is not needed will be a good buy for an electric. Last edited by sumannandy : 1st September 2024 at 21:58. | |
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By the way, here are a few points from my test drives, earlier one as well as another one that I took along with wife today. Both were short though, not so extensive, but covered patches of good and bad roads. 1. Motor performance is excellent, like I was expecting. Accelerator pedal response is smooth, differences between 3 drive modes are very much noticeable as they change the response a lot. 2. Regen braking also works smoothly, but brake pedal response is not smooth it feels too aggressive. The integration between regen and conventional brakes is not good. It is much better in Innova Hycross (hybrid) which I have been using for an year. In that car, you will find it really hard to even notice the transition. 3. Ride quality and handling are both good, though ride is on the harder side and I will prefer to replace wheels/tires with 16/17 inchers with higher profile tires just like I did it for Hycross too. I am not pretending to be an expert in the field, but my limited experience/knowledge from the past along with gut feeling makes me believe that tires with sufficient width (~200mm+), sufficient sidewall height (~5"+) and aspect ratio around 65+/-5 should work best for poor Indian road conditions and my preferences. Earlier, Indian cars used to be shod with puny tires prompting people to upgrade to wider ones. Now a days it seems like there is a different trend towards another direction, to offer lower profile tires (more so in higher models), presumably for better high speed dynamics and/or perceived "good look" with larger alloys while trading off on ride quality in the process. 4. Steering is quite nice, similar to hycross. Pretty light and easy at low speeds, weighs up to a good extent with speed. In one of the reviews, it was mentioned that the steering wheel has a tendency to tilt towards one side over time, while the car moves strait without any alignment issue or car getting pulled sideways as such. Some reviews also mentioned loud thud noises from suspension on bad roads. Seems strange and concerning, putting a question mark on their QC and reliability (which is a common notion anyway). 5. Interiors do feel nice, above average but not really "premium" unlike what Tata has been projecting this car to be. I was expecting a lot more with all the hype and new EV specific platform, not an upgraded Nexon EV. Though my hopes were dashed to some extent when a sales person had told me (a week or so before launch) that pricing would be hardly a lakh or two above Nexon EV. 6. Front look being so similar to Punch and Nexon is a downer, though I do find it attractive. Side and rear looks are much better than Nexon though in my books. I had mixed feelings about piano black side moldings, it generally feels nice but an eye sore at times. My wife and daughter hated it without a second thought. So called "coupe" body style is mostly a marketing gimmick in my opinion. It doesn't actually look like a proper coupe to me, it is more like a sedan with raised boot and a little bit of coupe. I liked it overall though , and I will be happy to buy something fresh and trendy like this (it seems to be going well with most people, going by reviews and opinions so far). 7. Generous set of features is a big plus in comparison to Nexon EV or other competition in it's segment/price bracket. Some of them are gimmicky or less than expected though. For example only 2 parking sensors in both rear and front, should be 4. I had kind of taken it for granted that powered driver seat would almost essentially mean "with memory settings", but it is not! It is still much better than manual controls though, which is better than not having height adjustment at all. Rear wiper, rear seat pockets, rear sun screen will be missed. Powered boot has only open/close buttons, no close-and-lock option which is quite handy. Gesture control is a nice addition. Infotainment, audio system, dashboard display, 360 camera feel premium. Comparing Curvv and Hycross cameras, both have a couple of pluses and minuses. Some of the reviews mention that it has a "dual zone" AC, but that is misleading. Leve alone dual zone, it doesn't even have a separate blower for 2nd zone. It only has a couple of vents for rear which circulate air from the same blower which is used for front vents. The quality of rear vents is bad too in comparison to front vents. 8. Regarding space and comfort, I did not see any issue at all with driver's seat when height was adjusted to the maximum position. Due to all the negative commentary, I have checked ergonomics very carefully including size/length of seats, shoulder and head support etc.! In Hycross, both me and my wife prefer driving position at the highest position with a major difference in back-forth position. I tried a similar position in Curvv and it made floor height a non-issue for driver seat and presumably in co-passenger seat because it has height adjustment too (manual). It gives a similar commanding position comparable to Hycross. For reference, I am 5'-7", and have become overweight of late at 80kg. In rear seat, it does lack thigh support when I seat in normal position, and the posture does feel noticeably knees-up. However, there is ample knee room and space to stretch my legs which improves thigh support quite a bit, with driver seat adjusted to my comfort. When I spread my knees in a relaxed manner, this problem becomes non-existent regardless of whether my feet are in normal position or stretched. I don't have any issues with rear head room either. Two step rear seat recline angle is a nice touch, the difference is small but noticeable. Rear arm rest seemed flimsy because it doesn't stay firmly in it's position when pulled out, though the support it provides is ok. Quality of leather is nice, the foam is firm and comfortable. I felt like front seat holds me snugly with more than enough support for shoulders and head. In summary, I have no complaints at all with front seats. Rear seat may be a bit of problem for me if I have to take a long journey with 3 people in the back seat. If it is 2 people, I don't think I should have any issues even with long journeys. For taller people, the rear seat comfort and head room may be an issue and I guess the trouble may start as you get taller than about 8'-10" to 6'. Even front seats may be an issue for such people or those who have a very broad/heavy body because the height of back rest as well as seat width along with floor to roof height available are on lower side (due to battery + sunroof). It is strongly recommended to check it yourself if space and seat comfort seems like a concern to you or your family. It should not be much of a concern though for a majority of people who won't fall under above category. Similarly, it should be lesser of a concern to ladies in general given considerably lower average height/weight than men. Ingress/egress is not good because you need to lift your feet a lot and they tend to foul, though you may probably learn and get used to avoiding it over time. 9. Battery issues along with general quality, reliability and services issues with Tata remains a gamble. 10. Range, lack of charging infrastructure and battery issues are not that important for me because it is intended as a secondary city car. But if you are buying it as the primary or only car with intentions to use it for long drives, then those may be bigger issues. 11. V2L/V2V need some accessories which are expensive, costs of the order of 40-50k. Keep that in mind if that matters to you. My conclusion as of now- just like Hycross, it has a lot of drawbacks and misses, but it is still one of the best options in it's it's price range (EV below 25L on road). I am tempted to consider soon to be launched MG Windsor as a worthy alternative before finalizing, especially after getting to know that the Indian version will have physical AC controls. Curious to know full specs/features because teasers so far look promising. PS: An interesting trivia about Curvv EV and Hycross costs- ex-factory price of top models of both these cars are close to each other, around 21L. You pay only 1-1.5L of GST+Cess and zero road tax on Curvv, but mighty 9L of GST+Cess and 6-7L of road tax for Hycross in most states! | |||||
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Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Tata Curvv EV Review Curvv it like Tata!Got a chance to check out the Curvv EV & the Curvv Diesel. My impression - Let me start with the EV first. I was skeptical about the looks from the pics, but in person, the car looks good. From the Indica days, Tata has come a long way. This car looks futuristic! The color options chosen by Tata are also gorgeous and tasteful. One can choose right from the jazzy flame red color to the subtle pure grey. The virtual sunrise shade looks good too. The Exterior Virtual Sunrise Pure grey Flame red (It's a diesel MT). I loved the alloys! Be careful while opening the boot lid if the parking slot has a low roof! The charging port This is how the rear looks at night! The Interior - I was not impressed with the interior space. Considering the size of the car, I expected better leg space in both the front & the rear. The panoramic sunroof will surely attract a lot of customers. The dashboard looks modern & classy. Tata has not overdone anything with the screen size or jazz factor. The flat bottom steering was nice to hold. A dead pedal has been given. The driver's footwell has enough space and feels comfortable. The rear ingress/egress space is cramped for a tall person. The boot space is huge, and so is the parcel tray. The spare wheel is a space-saver. The tires provided are low-resistance tires from GoodYear. The rear visibility is poor through the IRVM. Police in 'Naka Checking' will take some time to figure out this storage place! The engine bay looks neat and even the EV gets an under-hood insulation. The underbelly is well protected. Driving the EV I drove it for only 8 kilometers. Few observations -
Coming to the diesel MT - A red car with red interiors looks cool! We can expect a great fuel economy from the Curvv diesel! It is already showing an average fuel economy of 20+ kmpl! The MT gets a dead pedal as well. The footwell is quite spacious and comfortable. The pedal placements are nice too. The gap between the A, B & C pedals seemed perfect. The time-tested 1.5L diesel engine. The diesels get an under-hood insulation. Driving the diesel MT Drove it for a very short distance. It reminds me of the Nexon diesel. The clutch pedal is super light. Nice low-end torque. After driving the EV it felt like the NVH is higher in the diesel. But the cabin is well insulated from the engine noise. From outside the diesel clatter can be heard. The gear shift is smooth, but not as slick as the Japanese cars. Checked this car in the evening, and the white LED headlamps provided good visibility. The QC issues in the new cars - In one car the one touch-up/down on the driver's side power window was not working. In the EV, the TD car's steering was off-center towards the left. Panel gap? Could have been more neat! The rear left door window channel has this bulge on the rubber. Due to the faulty window channel rubber, this glass is getting marks like this. Overall how do I like the car? It's a good effort from Tata. I enjoyed driving the EV & the diesel both. Honestly, I loved the EV more than the diesel! It was fun pushing the EV. I do hope if any sort of niggle comes up, Tata service center guys will be knowledgeable enough to sort them out without giving nightmares to the owners! Last edited by Samba : 2nd September 2024 at 22:45. |
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Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Tata Curvv EV Review In continuation of my last postThe front profile in daylight. The front profile at night with the DRLs & the headlights on. A color comparison. The EVs get alloys that will have lesser drag to increase their range efficiency. The limited leg space I got to accommodate a person whose height is the same as mine. I am 5 feet 9 inches. The white seats can get soiled very easily. The door pads look good. The plastic felt hard but nothing to complain about its quality. The rear parcel tray is huge! During the night, the brightness of the Tata logo felt distracting. I would have loved a smaller gear knob for the manual. This size is fine for the ATs. Few other points- The AC is powerful. Rear AC vents are present. The stock music system provides very good sound. The ventilated seats were comfortable. The seats have good body contours and provide good support and comfort for long drives. The panoramic sunroof is a must-have feature to add premiumness to the car. Last but not least, wishing Tata Motors success through the roof with this one! Last edited by Samba : 3rd September 2024 at 12:55. |
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Net net, a bigger battery = more weight and also more time to charge. The Punch in my view is the best city car, and the Curvv will be better if you are a highway user - a position held by the Nexon LR, until the Curvv came along. | |
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Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Tata Curvv EV Review Tata Curvv EV, Nexon EV range revised due to new MIDC test cycles. Earlier, MIDC range figures were only based on a city (Urban) driving cycle, but the Ministry has mandated all carmakers to test and declare range values that include Urban and Extra urban cycles. Quote:
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