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| Ruby - My new Tata Punch.ev in Fearless Red ![]() New beginnings always start at someone's endQuote:
BackstoryEver since R3 left to make someone else happy, a year had elapsed. A year where everyone who I knew, recoiled in shocked disbelief,when they heard, I hadn't replaced R3 with something manlier, more powerful, and a worthy successor. For over a year, I cried myself hoarse, telling them ( yet never quite managing to quell the disbelief on their part) that the right 4x4 offroader for me, wasn't on the market, wasn't even born. And yes, that was true. I was holding out for a petrol 4x4 (not AWD) south of ₹ 25 lakhs, that also did not look like the latest evolution of a matchbox on wheels, and carried 4 passengers as well as 4 mid size suitcases with aplomb. Simple requirement. You may think? It just wasn't there. The Scorpio N petrol was firmly a RWD car - and was one of my first rejects. Next in line was Thar 3D Petrol—just no luggage space, and a back-ache as a gift. Jimny ... matchbox? (erm!) For a long time, I followed news on Toyota's mini LC, but there was no news about it making it to our shores. There was just a blip of excitement when Dacia 2024 was spied -and I thought , it just might come in a petrol AWD drivetrain - and I would live with it- yet alas! Thar Roxx - despite all the anticipation, turned out to be a dampener; the Petrol version turned out to be a RWD too, and 4WD was nowhere on the horizon, when launched. I even test drove the all-grip Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyryder - but for the money I wanted more than just AWD. Besides, it wasnt even a strong hybrid. A reluctant reject - but a reject nonetheless. Along the way, we test drove the Innova Hycross (no 4WD), the Toyota Hilux 4WD (no Petrol variant), Fortuner (no Petrol variant) and didn't like anything. Time passed, and our Toyota Glanza being the only car in the garage, became the natural workhorse. All good—except when you suddenly start clocking more than 15k km in a year, petrol bills do add up. Like many families in Delhi, our average running within the city itself was about 80% ~ 90% on any given month. We were okay with taking the Glanza out on the highway for the occasional road trip. The 10%~20% on roadtrips—Uttarakhand or Rajasthan were discretionary leisure trips. We've never done serious distances in the Glanza (ie > 1000 km)—that was always the domain of R3, or before that, the Milemuncher Innova. Did we want to do extended distances on the Glanza? Thats a digression. But I will address that too. We were a one-car family now. Yes, if the situation called for it, the Glanza would need to do that. But, we would prefer doing this on a capable 4x4 tourer. Were there opportunities in the near term to go touring long distances? The answer was a resounding "No". That is due to family circumstances. We knew we would never venture more than a couple of hundred kilometers in the next two years. The Glanza was perfectly adequate for this, and continuing the 4x4 dream with a worthy successor to R3 could wait. Yet we were not addressing how we get transport costs down - within the city. Glanza is a great city runabout, but with an average petrol bill of ₹ 1.2 lakhs a year (rough estimate) for city drives alone—and bound to increase more—with ever busier schedules of family members. The answer was clear: we needed a daily driver right now to stop the bleeding that would also deliver the most cost-efficient ₹/km. We needed to replace the Glanza as a city runabout before replacing it forever. That's how the idea of an EV was born. When I first mentioned it to my family: "You the macho 4x4 offroader!—will ply on an electric vehicle?" said my family in unison, and understandable shock. "What a scale back!" is what they meant. The math, however, had no rejoinders.
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| Your guide to a lazy (or hurried) read! Dear reader, I thought to compile a quick index to the first sections of my long term ownership review. I hope you find it useful, in case you want to quickly locate information of interest. Otherwise, you could just read it just as it's written, and be surprised by my trials and travails and my little joys and hopes. This index is current to the first 15 posts only, the remainder of the story will unfold , I'm sure , with plenty of surprises in the many months and years to follow! Index Quote: Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 14:26. Reason: Added TOC |
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| The Market Survey In December 2023, almost 1 in every 5 new vehicles bought in Delhi was an EV. Though a large percentage of that must have been two-wheelers, one cannot deny that one encounters more EVs amongst 4 wheelers than ever before. From humble beginnings of the e20 & eVerito cars, the current 4 wheeler EV "early majority" market has been largely shaped by Tata Motors (several offerings are available: Curvv, Nexon, Punch, Tiago, and Tigor). Other known brands I knew of were MG (Comet & ZS), and, more recently, Windsor. Then there was the one horse pony in Mahindra 's XUV 400. There were also the upscale Hyundai (ioniq) and Kia. There was news of an EV on a Creta platform, and the first EV from Suzuki around the corner. Then there was the unapologetic Chinese - BYD. There were also luxury EVs being offered by the Germans (but clearly I wouldn't be using those for carrying groceries home!!) The Phone a FriendThat's not a huge number of choices - compared to ICE. But, I still asked a friend. His advise: "Don't buy new; buy something that still has original warranty left." His premise was that - by buying new, I was effectively paying an early adopter premium. That's why if I bought a pre-owned car , a warranty on it, I would get equivalent benefits for 80% of the price of a new car. His other advice was : "Buy a MG ZS EV. Eyes closed". He'd recently bought a Skoda Kodiaq. So yes, a big believer in MG! Why not a used EV?For a moment , a depreciated car, still holding warranty , looks tasty. But, after a brief look at that segment of the market, I steered clear. No it wasn't about contracting dermatitis in it. A few key reasons (for me).
So, while I ignored my friend's advise to look at used cars, I could not quite ignore the advise about the brand. The Contenders!Morris Garages My take on the brand. It's positioned as a British brand, with an Indian partner. The Chinese owner: SAIC is super silent on sales brochures, but that's expected, I guess. Positioning is key, and MG does lend some flair to any product, perhaps due to deep roots in the automotive tradition. I called them for a TD, and quite counter intuitively , I asked them to bring along a Comet Exclusive (near top of line, feature wise, ) ESP : ₹ 9.36 lakhs—I'm guessing with taxes, extended warranties ,registration fees, insurance, etc - it would probably be ~ ₹ 11 lakh by the time it would reach home. That's serious money. My first impressions:
Would I like to drive one to work and back? Terrifying visions of being bullied on Dilli/Gurgaon streets filled my head, and I gave this a pass. However, it would be remiss of me not to point out—on the cuteness scale—that the Comet is a head turner. It does have some appeal for someone who would like to leave as little a footprint as possible—and surely that's something to aspire for. The next TD quite predictably was for the MG ZS EV. I asked the salesperson to explain its features , and I tuned off. At ESP, ranging from₹ 24.43 (Executive Plus) to ₹ 25.43L (essence dual tone), the spread of features available onthe 10.1" screen, the plush seats, carbon-fiber like dash - the list went on and on.... I was loving it, immersed as it were in the luxury this car offered. Everyone in the family loved it , and though the money was eye-watering , we thought maybe this was the car we wanted as a keeper. Something the Delhi Government would not snatch away due to dire NGT warnings, 10 years later. Besides, there was an 8 year battery warranty, and the informed salesman assured me that the battery was good to go for 12+ years. I will not bore you, dear reader, with a list of features , and a comparison between the variants. That is easily available. I was just blown away at the ease with which the Android Auto wirelessly connected to my phone, and wirelessly charged it too! Coming from a Glanza where I had been untangling annoying wires all these years—this was truly priceless. And then the 360° camera! The images were pixellated - but the joy of seeing all around without having to turn your head! There were two questions worth deliberating about, however:
On the first question: I asked the MG Salesman to come with an answer. I was curious as to how they positioned ZS EV : ![]() This comparison was for the Excite Pro variant, a couple of notches below the top variant - and it was a comparison to the top variants from Tata and M&M. Note that while factually correct, they left out the fact that M&M XUV400 EL Pro variant was actually ₹ 2 lakhs cheaper. Still not a deal-breaker for me. Though made a mental note to find out what M&M XUV400 and Tata Nexon EV were like. On the second question: I debated with family; the main bone of contention was: should we opt for level 2 ADAS for an additional ₹ 1 lakh in ESP? My better half said no, and my heart said yes. I have veto rights when it comes to decisions about cars in the family. But in this case, I demurred. The question about level 2 ADAS brought up an even more fundamental question: Would we really make this a primary car? Would this be a highway milemuncher and a daily beater? Sharp reality check A quick check on plugshare.com demonstrated that even with stated range , in order to avoid range anxiety on a typical Delhi-Kolkata drive, we would need 7 charging stops each of at least an hour (and perhaps more!), to stay off range anxiety. On a total run time of 24-30 hours adding 7-10 hours just for refuelling is a bit much. So the EV , would never be a highway milemuncher. It was destined to be the primary urban daily beater. A bit oversized (>4m) and eyewateringly expensive ₹ 27 lakhs for a daily beater - but then again - no power on earth would pry it loose from our clutching fingers after 10 years! Mahindra & Mahindra I know Mahindra. Quite well, in fact. I've lived with one for well over 7 years (LT ownership review (Raging Red Rover (R3) - My Mahindra Scorpio S10 4x4. EDIT: Sold!)) I am under no delusions when it comes to the brand. I know their products have little foibles, that gradually persist in annoying owners, till one erupts in frustration at M&M. Then M&M bends over backwards, and then some, to set matters right. And they usually do. So , knowing this, I stepped into the world of EVs and Mahindra. One quick digression though. M&M has been a hesitant entrant in India's EV marketplace. Despite world premiers of XUV700 & Thar on a born electric platform, the enthusiasm on display in South Africa hasn't really shown where it matters—here in India, M&M's biggest market. When it comes to EVs, people typically recall Tata, MG, Hyundai, and even Kia and rarely think of M&M. That's a real shame. M&M need to work on improving the recall factor. It's probably not without reason too. The XUV400 is offered in few variants , leaving very little choice. The test drive with EL Pro happened. We were suitably impressed with the substantial legroom the XUV400 offered, but beyond that, we began comparing with the superior MG ZS EV. I was willing to give this car points for being honest, so I asked the salesman - what he felt were its differentiators vis-a-vis the competition. I'm not one to judge, but I will leave you the answer: ![]() Towards the end of the test drive, I asked if I could subject the car to my "acid test"? The salesman was at first perturbed, thinking I would put the car to bodily harm. Nothing like that- I just wanted to see how wireless android auto worked. "No problem , saar" And then we spend 5 minutes fiddling with the controls—and no connection to show for our labours. He sheepishly grinned. "Saar, the car needs an update." There wasn't any 360° camera too—I pointed out—and he grinned some more. And just like that, the M&M product was out of the reckoning. My reasons: Poor execution. And not enough choice. Tata Motors Not wanting to forego the experience of the main contender in the market, I decided to give Tata Motors a call. I actually signed up on their website for a test drive, and mentioned that Treo Tata , Nehru place may please bring the top model Nexon EV TD vehicle around. Not only did Tata not acknowledge the request, the appointment time came and went. Annoyed at being stood up, I called the showroom and was assured by the sweet talking CRM that someone would be sent the next day (Sunday, 14 July). I said: "yes, and please also ask your salesman to bring the Tata version of a comparison between equivalent models of Nexon EV, XUV400 and ZS EV." 5 minutes before the appointment time, the assigned salesman calls to say he can't get a gate pass for the car , because he doesnt have a copy of my drivers license!!! Needless to say, he also did not have a comparo to share. I really lost it. I told the CRM of Treo Tata, they have some nerve asking me for proof of my driving skill before allowing me to test drive the car. I told her that neither MG nor M&M wanted it. Quote:
These two experiences with Tata and Mahindra pushed me inexorably towards MG. But, I did not want it to end this way... the smaller but significant things turned out to be a deal breaker with MG too! 1. Chinese roots Despite disclaimers that MG is a born UK brand, its ownership is Chinese. Aside from the Comet, and ZS EV, at that point in time (July '24) there were no other EV products on shelf. Jindals, as their JV partner, were not really visible to the public eye—or, should we say, did not receive as much media attention as the C-suite staff at Suzuki, M&M, Tata, Hyundai, etc. There was also news that BYD (another gargantuan EV maker) was facing a restrictive environment in India. Which brought me to question if I really wanted a long-term relationship, with a company, that belonged to an adversary country. Nothing political—just huge doses of pragmatism. 2. Greater than 4 m length. I was beginning to question the practicality of owning an urban beater that was greater than 4 meters in length. Granted, the 4 meters is a psychological barrier, and a Tata Punch EV at 3857 mm is just 10 cm shorter, and practically speaking, it's not much. But 4m+ cars do attract extra duty. However, this factor applied equally to XUV400 as well as Nexon EV -so it wasn't a MG ZS EV deal breaker alone. 3. Lack of Service network MG service network is noticeably smaller than Tata, Suzuki, Hyundai and M&M. For instance, in NCR region, MG portal shows 3 locations. Ordinarily, lack of service network should not matter, especially if the car isn't going to go often outside its home zone. However, a lack of service network also points to a potential lack of competition for customer's service business, which may translate to poor customer experience. 4. No fog lights!—and no way to have these installed as an accessory item!! The exchange with the MG salesman says it all: Quote:
No response came from the MG technical team. At one point, I was prepared to pay upto ₹ 27 lakhs for the top variant of this car. But no fog lights at ₹ 27 lakhs ! ![]() I did not pursue the matter. The date was 15 July, 2024. I had just spent over 2 weeks recceing the market, and all I was left with was a tinge of dissapointment. Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 15:15. | ||
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| Tiago.EV or Punch.EV? That is the question. Coming to terms with my requirement first.What followed the disappointment of no deal was a period of soul searching. It began with a question: What was it that I was really after? It's so important to articulate one's need accurately. Otherwise, one is likely to get carried away during the process of buying a car. If one doesn't really know what one wants, one invariably wants it all, and ends up buying something one doesn't really need. Case in point: I was about to sign on the dotted line for an MG ZS EV top-of-the line variant that had wowed me with wireless Android auto, swanky interiors, a dazzling dashboard, and a 360° camera—but it would cost me a pair of kidneys and a liver, and would likely end up being shelfware because it was impractically expensive. All I needed was a small EV car. With bells and whistles available in most cars that were a segment or two above it. I fell back on my friends advice to look out for a tasty pre-owned EV. For the next 3 weeks, I setup searches on the usual online portals, but nothing turned up. A base model comet (under 10000 km) was on sale for ₹ 6 lakhs. I enquired with the dealer - and he seemed unwilling to negotiate. So, I left it. A few more days passed by. I'd almost given up on my plans to acquire an EV. The Thar 5 door Roxx unveil was up next, and I thought maybe I should book that as a trustworthy replacement for my erstwhile R3. But insider sources revealed the petrol 4WD variant was still some ways away. And in any case, the Thar 5 door Roxx petrol 4WD would never really fit the role of a daily beater for the foreseeable future. So come the first week of August, I still really needed a small beater EV car. Comet was way too small to be practical. And both the XUV400 and the MG ZS EV were way too big. Citroen eC3 crossed my mind , but I quickly crossed it off, as it really wasn't a mainstream brand in India yet. BYD didn't have any offerings in this segment. Creta EV and Suzuki's EV6(?) were a long way off, and they were in the > 4m segment. Skoda was rumoured to be working on a release, but not much else was known at the time. I was still mad at Tata, for not bringing the Nexon around for a TD. But was that enough reason for me to diss the smaller EVs they were making? Would my ego ever make the climb down? An encounterSaturday the 10th August, 2024 was a fine day. I was walking home after a hike of almost 5 kms (counting to 10k steps). I recall I was attired quite casually: slippers , frayed jeans and a sweaty t-shirt. All that I was looking forward to was a nice shower followed by a sumptuous lunch. Walking into a car showroom was furthest from my mind. And yet, it happened. I was walking past Treo Tata, Nehru Place (the same guys that did not bring the Nexon EV). From a distance, I espied two smaller sized EVs on the showroom floor. I tarried. Thoughts raced through my head. Should I walk in? One part of me said no, the other said yes. And both were right. No: because of my less than casual attire, , might beget disdain. Yes: this wasnt a formal visit at all, I would just do a walkaround and leave. No questions asked and no answers given. And that moment (must have been around 12:15 PM), I walked in. As I expected, I was ignored by the staff. The Tata Punch EV caught my eye. I walked around, opened all the doors , looked inside, and stepped back. At this point, a salesman came around asking if he could help. I wanted to remain incognito, still wanted to give them a chance to do their job, so I just asked him to sit his 6" tall colleague on the rear bench. Once done, I measured how much headroom remained—not much I ascertained. That wasnt looking promising. Next, I carefully considered the boot space—would it be sufficient to handle big grocery bags—and yes, it would. Maybe it could even handle a couple of cabin bags on airport runs. Inside the cabin, leg space was good on the front row, and just average in the rear—maybe one might be able to squeeze four fingers in ahead of the knee - so the verdict: adequate. I stepped back some more and eyed the stance of the car. At that moment, if someone had asked me what adjective would describe the Punch EV, I would have said hungry(?) . It looked butch—like a junior prize fighter, aspirational, but not quite able to punch above its weight yet. I did not know it then, but it was kind of growing on me. It was crying out to be noticed—overshadowed as it were by its bigger cousin, the Nexon. I next walked over to the Tiago EV. This one appeared to be quite a bit shorter but was proportionately roomier inside (for its size). The tall guy had no problem with headroom at the rear—his head didn't hit the ceiling, but it still was mighty close to touching it. Luggage space was pitiably small. Groceries would do fine. But that's about it. Also, this one was all function over form. No bells and whistles on offer. And it looked like the Indica: reborn. I glanced at the watch. It was almost 1 PM. I had to leave, as folks were waiting for me at home. But, I called ahead and told my better half to be prepared for a quick test drive that same afternoon. Our plan was to just look. No commitments. No booking. Just look and see. Lunch done, we raced back to the showroom for a TD. This time I had to reveal who I was. Naturally, the story about the failed Nexon EV appointment tumbled out. I could discern no sign of regret. We only had an hour to complete the TD, to make the deadline for the next assignment for the day. We took the Tiago EV out first. I edged it out of the parking lot, and into chaotic Delhi traffic. After driving for a kilometer, I handed the wheel over to my better half for her practical perspective. She liked it's vibes, but "this car doesn't have hill-hold". We returned to the showroom in about 15 minutes. It was kind of a letdown after our last in-cabin experience with the MG ZS EV. Our verdict : The form factor was great for city drives, -though overall the in-cabin experience was a bit too practical. By not offering much by way of creature comforts or driving aids, and a smallish trunk, it meant it wasn't just right. Though it was a step up from the Comet, buying this would leave us with regrets later. Then we sat ourselves in the Punch EV. And it sang so well that both of us were floored ! Same circuit as the Tiago EV- and I stopped it in the middle of the flyover— voila auto hill hold in action. Plus the 360° camera outputs sharp pictures on screen—a step up from the pricier MG ZS, and all the other functions one might wish for. My wife and I rarely agree, but this one was a no-brainer. The only material agreement was which variant. This is where (as it turns out) we were misinformed by the salesman. On the TD, we said we wanted the highest variant, but no sunroof, and no AC fast charger. He said go for Empowered + LR. We were not to know it then, but Empowered + LR is different from Empowered "and" LR. And the salesman never bothered to clarify. You see, Tata Motors has created variants based on feature lists and battery range. So there were two different feature lists implied : Empowered versus Empowered Plus And two different battery ranges: Standard vs Long Range So these combinations meant a total of four variants. This was never explained to us. Partly my fault, this entire visit and TD were not planned, and I had not done my research. I was winging it The QuoteBack at the showroom, I asked for the price sheet. Without realizing it, I showed interest for Empowered "and" LR. I thought I was asking the price of the top most variant minus the sunroof. I could not be more wrong. Quote :₹ 14,20,000 covering ex-showroom price + Tax collected at source + registration charges (but no road tax) with fast tag and number plates + additional two-year warranty and including a ₹ 30,000 discount. I specifically told them their insurance quote won't work for me, because I need it customised for my NCB - so they left that out. I heard it and walked away. I told them I would come back next day, after a price check. As dealers are wont to do, they gave me the usual spiel of a one time only offer. We left and attended to our errand. While on the way, I texted Sab Motors in Lajpat Nagar for pricing. Quote:
To buy or not to buy? That is the question.I had to make a decision. Should I book the Punch EV—yes or no? The decision was really in two parts. It boiled down to : Did I trust 1) The brand? 2) and The product? 1) The Brand Tata Motors as a brand is not an unknown quantity to me. In fact, 30 years ago, I had started my career at their plant in Jamshedpur. They used to be known for locomotives, then trucks (and for a short while excavators), and later passenger vehicles. In fact, when I joined in '94, the Sierra was the preeminent SUV. Time passed, I moved on, and so had Tata Motors. I hadn't kept in touch with past colleagues, and in any case, there wasn't any guarantee they would be able to give me an honest opinion. My next encounter with Tata Motors had been at Vivek Automobiles, Mathura Road, New Delhi—a Fiat & Tata dealer , back in the days when these two brands ran a JV for service operations. Recalling those days, still gives me cold sweats. Visions of parts being stolen, and an unnecessary engine repair foisted on me still rankle after 16 years. So, I opted to ask advice from an old friend who had purchased a Nexon ICE a few years ago. His advice was that the brand was working hard to improve service; past challenges in service & parts availability were being turned around , and it seemed as if they cared enough about their reputation to claw back most of what was lost in the aftermath of Nano and Indica experiences. If Tata is concerned about reputation, then yes, there's a definite path for improvement. This was reassuring enough for me. 2) The product Youtube reviews indicated the car had been launched sometime early 2024 (Risk! coming from an Indian manufacturer) The TBHP review generally pointed to this being one of the better products from Tata—general disclaimers about Tata quality notwithstanding. And auto industry news indicated that the Punch's ICE variant had apparently beaten the mighty WagonR in sales. This was enough to tell me that the car I had booked looked okay—and save for being a one-off lemon, in general this product did have acceptability, as well as some fan following. I was clear in my mind to book the Punch.EV with Treo Tata the next day. Last edited by libranof1987 : 15th October 2024 at 17:39. Reason: As requested | |
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| Booking and Remorse. 12th August was a Monday. Ordinarily the first day of the week is full of activity at the office. Yet the chain of events of the past 48 hours, intruded, took primacy. Why a Red Tata Punch EV?Since we were planning to book, we needed to zero in on the color of the car. Available options were a nondescript white, a boring gray, an oxide color that looked off-white, a dirty green , and red. There wasn't any blue - which we would have loved. Treo Tata had indicated they had the white and the oxide in stock and ready to go. But they looked really unexciting in the flesh. So, we quite unimaginatively chose red. Oh yes, there was also another tiny reason for choosing red. Red isn't a popular color in India. We were essentially saying we wanted our car cooked fresh. It would also be the reason why we paid ₹ 1.45 lakhs more on possession. But that's for later. The call from Treo Tata's salesmanWe received a call as we were getting ready to leave office for the day. It was the salesman from Treo Tata - and had we decided yet? I told him, yes we had , and we were prepared to book the car for ₹ 14 lakhs (ESP+registration+2 year warranty + discounts) , which was ₹ 20k lower than what was quoted to us on Saturday. He said he needed to check with his seniors, as pricing may have changed, and indeed it had. He called back in 10 minutes with a revised offer of ₹ 14.5 lakhs—i.e., rescinded the ₹ 30k discount offered on Saturday. I asked him why - and he took refuge in the usual story : saar one time offer and all that bull. I told him no deal. Shopping aroundI did the next best thing. Reached home—quickly composed a WhatsApp message asking for best quote and used my alternate number to enquire about prices from 5 dealers. I did not want their sales teams to know I was the same person. In case the Tata dealers shared sales leads in their CRM. Quote:
Sab Auto repeated their earlier offer. Auto Vikas did not respond, and the other two essentially regurgitated MRP. The BookingAs luck would have it, the best bite came from Treo Tata's Sales GM , and the supervisor of the salesman I had been talking with. ![]() This was actually better than what I had asked for. I agreed, and asked him to send someone over to sign the deal sheet and book the vehicle. It turned out it was the same salesman. When I asked him later , why he did not offer me the car at ₹ 14 lakhs - he sheepishly said - the deal was cooked by GM sir - he did not have power. To me, that meant either he didn't read my intent to purchase correctly, or he just wasnt prepared to work hard to close the deal. In other words, one of the many cogs in the wheel , and eminently forgettable. Anyway, the deal sheet was signed ![]() and the order booked at home. ![]() It was 8:09 PM, 12th August 2024. While the booking formalities were in progress, I asked the salesman, about insurance formalities , and my need for a customized insurance quotation as I had NCB. He mentioned the only document they needed was an e-copy of the previous car's RC, and a hard copy of the NCB letter. Jinxed! I had the e-copy of R3s RC; I even had an e-copy of the NCB letter, but I did not have the hardcopy NCB letter. It hadn't reached me, even though I had asked for one more than a year ago! I knew I had to get that hard copy organized sooner than ever. But the story about the booking doesn't end here! Oh no! For what would a good story be without its plot doing contortions!! So more on that! I spent my free time in the next few days reading up about the Tata Punch EV. This amounted to less than 10 minutes a day. I was that busy! On the evening of 19th August, I re-read the Punch EV sales brochure, comparing the feature lists. And the penny dropped. RemorseI realized the mistake. I had implicitly misunderstood what the salesman had said , when I asked for the topmost variant without a sunroof. I had taken Empowered + LR to mean Empowered "and" LR. In fact the Empowered + variant had some additional creature comforts that I'd be a fool to turn away from : ventilated seats, a larger instrument cluster, a bigger infotainment screen, and wireless charging! A WhatsApp conversation ensued with the GM—it was 9:40 PM. Quote:
![]() I asked him to give me a round figure and we shook hands at ₹14.45 lakhs. The salesman came by; there was no money to be paid immediately, just a fresh signature on a revised deal sheet. The final deal was closed at 1 pm 20th August 2024. Or so I thought! ![]() Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 15:46. Reason: Added content! | ||
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| NCB letter woes Have you ever tried squeezing water from rocks?Dear reader In case you thought my troubles ended with signing the revised deal sheet, well, far from it. There was still the question of obtaining a hard copy NCB letter. I needed to shift the NCB to the new car. The salesman had been very particular—there was no way they would offer an insurance quote with an NCB bonus without the NCB letter in original. But that was easier said than done. I had sold R3 on 06th August, 2023 - over a year ago. At the time, I had requested Cholamandalam MS General Insurance Company India Limited (Chola MS) for a soft copy and hard copy of the No Claim Bonus letter (NCB). That had been on August 09,2023. ![]() After multiple followups both on phone and email, they finally reverted on August 26, 2023, with the soft copy, and said the hard copy was on the way. ![]() Though I had received the soft copy with this email (see below), ![]() I never did receive a hard copy. I sent the customer care a reminder on August 30, 2023, asking them to resend the hard copy - but they refused, asking me to check with my local post office. Which I did. Only that the post office had no clue about what happened to the speed post. 1 year ago, there wasn't any urgency, in securing the hard copy, so I let matters lie where they were. In retrospect, that was a mistake. I should have stuck to my guns back then and saved myself grief later. Death by obfuscationBut now the NCB could not be ignored any more. The new car was booked, and delivery was expected in a few weeks, I needed to re-initiate the process. Dreading the worst, I wrote customer care and called them several times—and each time it was like hitting a stone wall. Each time I wrote them, they opened a new case number—making the original case buried so deep that it was impossible to find. The final straw was when customer care wrote back on August 16, 2024, refusing to send a hard copy, under the pretext of having sent one a year ago. And then having the gall of asking me to check with the post office , for the article, which they knew I had never received. ![]() This is the point—that I got really mad at this company. Chola MS had just broken all records in testing my patience. I wrote a stinger the next day (August 17, 2024) . My mail was put together painstakingly , summarizing every written communication, since August 09, 2023 - with singular intent of proving that customer care was harassing me and out to harm me financially And I marked every regulator that I knew of in the Insurance industry - IRDA, Insurance Ombudsman, their own Chief Grievance Officer, their Nodal escalation - in short - I threw the book in their face. ![]() In India, if you shout yourself hoarse, nothing happens. But, people start behaving themselves, when you complain to someone, that can stop their livelihood in its tracks. That's exactly what happened with Chola MS. Here's the mail from customer care on August 20th. ![]() And within 24 hours of this mail, I had the hard copy in my hand. ![]() ![]() Squeezing water from rocks in the desert might have been easier. Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 15:48. |
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| An Interesting call, and Sorting out Insurance An Interesting call.August 20,2024 Dear reader, we picked up the thread again, on the revised booking. I decided to followup with an email to Treo Tata: asking them for a possibility of a delivery within 4 weeks. ![]() August 22,2024 Wonder of wonders, I received a call from the salesman, two days after, that left me quite puzzled. He said some other buyer had declined to purchase a car that was the exact same spec as my revised booking. The car was just off the assembly line and waiting in despatch. It would take 6 to 7 days to arrive in New Delhi, and if they targeted delivery at the end of the month, they could honour the pricing commitment in the deal sheet. He pressured me to pay some amount against the car right away so that the car could be assigned to me and dispatched. He started at 60% ESP, dropped that down to 50% , then 20% and finally 10% ESP. While the promise of early delivery seemed almost too good to be true, alarm bells started going off in my head.
On questioning him further, I let it be known, that I won't accept a car without a PDI, and also the car should not have been driven any more than 100 km. He agreed and said the car is truly not a PDI reject and that transit time is 6-7 days ex-factory. Also that he will provide details of chassis number, etc on assignment. Still not wanting to take chances, I offered him payment of ₹ 1.5 lakhs but by credit card. (This mode of payment was to protect myself from fraud.) I told him, I don't have cash on hand, which was true, by the way. The money set aside for the car was in a short term FD. He declined to take payment this way; transaction fees, are considerable, and I swiftly took the opportunity to decline the offer of early delivery. I told him in no uncertain terms, that I did not want someone else's PDI rejected vehicle; I will not pay him a single paisa until the car passes my own PDI inspection. And that he should tell me the chassis number the day the car leaves the factory. In fact, the whole episode stank so much, that I complained to the GM Sales on August 24. [quote]Me: Hello Raj ji Sameer called me 2 days ago demanding first 60%, then 50%, then 20%, then 10% of cost of booked empowered +LR in red. He said you have apparently located such a car, which original customer won't buy. For getting the car assigned to me, he needs this payment made, immediately. Even though the second part maybe true, my fundamental question is: why would a reputed dealer with so many branch offices, Resort to tactics like demanding payment before PDI? Sameer tried to pressurize me further, saying that the pricing given by you may not be valid, if I don't take this offer up. I refused. I am upset. Now I am thinking if your team goes back on its word, even before I start a relationship of few years, better I not enter in the relationship in first place! Last thing I want is a bad relationship with Tata, that lacks trust. It's simple. If at time of delivery it is found that Tata changed price, I will need transparency. Him: Whenever you are free, kindly let me know I will call you and discuss this concern. In the meeting that happened next with the Sales GM, I made it clear, that my expectations from Tata, about Trust are sky high. He assured me that the car wasn't on some dealer's lot, sitting as a PDI reject, but a genuine, just made car. I okayed the car to be assigned to me from factory, and he promised to let me know a couple days before the car arrived, so I could arrange the finances. That was fair. We shook on that. I next asked him to ask the salesman to work out the insurance offer considering the NCB. He agreed to pass instructions. A couple of hours later, the GM forwards the car is in transit message: Punch EV Empowered + LR FELRED_NCTBK MATXXXXXXXXXXXXXX TZXXXXXXXXXXX 54681XXXXXXXXX 01-08-2024 2024 EV 3 In Transit Allocated PLANT JOY BHOWMIK/NP/SAMEER The message looked legit. Looked like I was finally getting the car. And its manufacturing date showed 1st August. ![]() Insurance for the Punch EVShopping for insurance turned out to be a bit of a chore really. I spent late nights between 24th Aug to 27th Aug , going through online portals , looking for nice deals from AAA rated companies. I also engaged the salesman and through him the Insurance team at the dealership. The base quotation for individual premium was ₹ 61,244 - this included comprehensive, three year 3rd party liabilty and addons for Zero Depreciation, Consumables and Engine Protection. I wanted a breakdown , and also customized for someone with 50% NCB. After the breakdown I wanted detail on 4 scenarios like so: Proposal 1: zero dep + rti , no voluntary deductible (vd) Proposal 2: zero dep + rti + ₹15000 vd Proposal 3: comprehensive ( no rti, no zero dep) + ₹15000 vd Proposal 4: comprehensive + no vd All proposals to have 1. NCB 50% discount on od premium 2. Anti theft discount on od premium 3. Personal Accident cover for 3 persons (not 5) 4. Compulsory PA cover for owner/ Driver 5. Mandated third party insurance They quoted with the wrong add ons (they added RSA instead of RTI) - but even so : It gave me some idea of the direction the premiums were taking. Have a look: Proposal 1: ![]() Proposal 2: ![]() Proposal 3: ![]() Proposal 4: ![]() I thought something was off - so I asked them to revert. Quote:
On point 2: my concern was that the amount of NCB should remain invariant whether one opts for voluntary deductible or not. However, the explanation proffered for a lower NCB , when one opts for a voluntary deductible, is that the OD premium itself is reduced, hence the lower NCB. This was fair. One can't double count benefits. On point 3: Even though the Punch would seat 3 Passengers + Driver, the Tata Motors Insurance system doesn't allow one to configure the number of passengers, one buys personal accident cover for. The Punch EV can at best seat 4 passengers. But the Tata Motors Insurance system forces the buyer to purchase PA cover for 5 passengers. It's not configurable at all. ![]() On point 4: They fixed this. Here's how things looked after the fix (just to see where we were) on Proposal 1. ![]() All these deliberations and back and forth with the insurance team took all of 4 days - but in their defense - this straddled the intervening weekend. In the meantime, I arranged for funds to pay for the car. The car was supposed to reach the dealer on Friday August 30th. There still was a problem. I was being charged a premium add on for paid driver , in addition to the premium for personal accident cover of owner/driver. Try as they might , they could not remove the ₹150 premium add on for paid driver. In the end I spoke to the dealership's insurance head, and agreed with her , that they will reduce the amount from somewhere else. My outgo would be reduced by ₹177 (inclusive GST). It was now time to choose which coverage to buy: I opted for Comprehensive with Voluntary Deductible, Add-Ons selected were Zero Dep, Consumables and Return to Invoice. The premium difference wasnt much between this case - and the simple comprehensive insurance with voluntary deductible < ₹ 8000. I was going a bit overboard , with zero dep and RTI, but in my defense I was investing in brand new technology, and I was at that point thinking about unlikely scenarios of the car going up in flames. I could do nothing about the mandatory three year third party liability: one just has to proffer this free windfall to insurance companies & I guess it keeps them afloat. The proposal was re-created with the correct add-ons. ![]() Now the insurance quotation was finally sorted. It was 4:30 PM on Thursday, August 29th. I received news from the GM, Sales. My car had arrived in NCR and had been offloaded at the dealer's stockyard just outside Gurgaon. The financials were sorted. Just in the nick of time. ![]() Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 15:52. | |
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| A rollercoaster ride of expectations August 30,2024What goes up must come down. That's physics for you. That's also how my emotions fared on the day of delivery - not from the sheer depths of despair to the rarefied heights of bliss. No. Quite the other way around. Dear Reader, As you may have already gathered - I was looking forward to the PDI and the delivery on this day. I was well prepared, though a bit anxious. This would be the first time I would do the PDI of an EV car, and there was no friend available to help out. Nevertheless, I turned to the one trusty friend I always depend on: TBHP- and in particular, a shoutout to @king_julien Quote:
![]() I took a quick walk around, and proceeded to the showroom. After a few minutes waiting, the salesman and I proceeded with the PDI. I followed king_julien's PDI to the letter. The only thing missing were the jack & spanner ![]() The salesman mentioned this is not available. I found that a bit strange. But more on this later. There were uneven panel gaps between the LS rear door and frame. But I let it go—it was less than 2 mm. There were also the tell tale signs of poor workmanship. A connector of some sort dangling in the driver foot well. ![]() After about 45 minutes, the PDI was done. I okayed the car. By this time, my better half joined me. She was mightily pleased with the color. I thought Next I had to pay the balance. Here's how much I had to pay: Quote:
I was told to wait for a couple hours as they began the registration formalities and insurance. I did not have a couple of hours to spare. The time was 2:40 PM, and I had meetings to attend, and so did my wife. We spoke to the GM, and told him to get the paperwork sorted, and we would be back in 2 hours for the ceremony. Or so , we thought! Well anyway, at about 3:45PM I receive an innocuous little whatsapp message from the GM Quote:
Why? Quote: By this time, in true indian car dealership style, the salesman calls and asks me to provide the OTP , for purchase of insurance. It was as if the left hand did not know what the right hand was doing. Well anyway, I had to inform him that he won't be purchasing the insurance today, because guess what the car is not getting registered! To make doubly sure, I also emailed the head of the insurance department at the dealership and asked her to hold the process. The last thing I wanted was to purchase insurace on a car , that wasn't mine yet. At approximately 5 PM, after finishing all my meetings for the day, I thought to speak with another major tata dealership -to fact check the story of sudden application of road tax by Delhi Government on EV cars. They couldn't immediately respond, as they were no deliveries planned that day. I also left a message with the MG salesman - and he said deliveries were going on as planned - there were no reports of Delhi Government charging road tax. I was a bit puzzled , and thought to check next day. As I went to bed that night, I was feeling really anxious. This dealership had not given me much confidence from day 1, and now, I had paid them almost ₹ 15 lakhs, there was no receipt that I had, and no car. August 31, SaturdayI had some chores to do early morning, including getting the aftermarket cruise control fitted on our Glanza, but decided on the spur of the moment , to stop by at the dealer. I went directly to the GM office, and here's how the conversation went. Quote:
I left, thinking I needed to find out what was really happenning. I pored over Delhi Government website, Vaahan, RTO portal -everywhere. But there was no official notice of road tax benefit being withdrawn. Monday September 2Quote:
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I also decided on the spur of the moment to register this problem officially with Tata Motors. I wanted there to be a written record of the deal sheet, payments made, and what the dealership was claiming. ![]() In order that I get a response back I even called at the Tata Motors number. What transpired left me a bit surprised. Quote:
Tuesday September 3Quote: Wednesday September 4I spent the next day mulling over my options The question, was will the state government reverse its stand or even grant an "amnesty period". I called a classmate of mine, he is now in a senior position at Maruti Suzuki. He confirmed that the Delhi Government has no intent of reversing its stand on charging 10% roadtax for EV cars. He in fact encouraged me to get the car registered in NOIDA, UP. My only problem was that I did not have any valid ID with a UP address, though I did have a property there. I read somewhere, that to prove residence all one has to show are either a rental agreement or title deed, and an electricity bill. I had both a title deed, and an electricity bill. I could claim residence in UP, and best of all even claim the subsidy on EVs that the state government offered. As usual my friend's advise was practical. Thursday, September 5I sent all these documents to the GM, the time was approximately 11:15 AM. He called back and said my address documents were all in order, but he cannot register the car in UP because of internal Tata Motors reasons. What he was essentially saying was, that Tata Motors does not allow dealers to sell a vehicle which is in the terrirtory of some other dealer. And since Treo Tata, did not have a registered showroom in NOIDA , he wasn't allowed to register the vehicle there. I asked him to transfer my vehicle to some other NOIDA dealer, and have that dealer register the vehicle. He said he could not do that either. As he saw it -I had two options: a) Cancel this booking, take the refund , and apply a new booking at a different dealer. b) Pay the road tax and take delivery of the car. I chose option b). Reasons I chose to pay the road tax - though it was with a heavy heart. 1. By this point , I was emotionally drained, I just wanted an end to this saga. Paying up ₹ 1,45,000 promised to end this once and for all. I was hugely miffed, but in the end the fault was mine for not going with a readily available colour , the day I made my booking. 2. More importantly, this was a long term purchase. While I had a property in NOIDA , and planned to keep it for the foreseeable future,there was no guarantee its ownership would outlast the car's. Also if and when, I did lease the property, then from that point on, I could not really claim "residency" in UP. 3. Next, the car was meant to be driven primarily in Delhi, and parts of NCR. Both my wife and I would be driving it. In this region, in the happenstance that either of us was pulled over by cops, having the car registered at a different address, than what the DL or Aadhar says, would require lengthy explanations. And we had no intention to change our address in any of our official IDs. There are far too many implications of that. 4. My locality is legendary for the annual Durga Puja pageant. At this time, all ingress points are closed to vehicular traffic except that of residents. A UP number plate, would raise eyebrows, and unnecessarily slow down the process of reaching home on such days. 5. Finally, the hon'ble union minister's statement that the government was not in favour of extending EV incentives/subsidies, showed, that these incentives are on their way out. Decision done, I confirmed back to the GM,and paid the balance amount of road tax, at 11:50 AM. Things moved forward, first the insurance was purchased, and then the registration was applied. I had asked for an even number, but that was not to be ![]() At about 3 PM, all the formalities were complete. I walked to the dealership to take possession of the car. While there, I was proffered an explanation of the inclusions and paperwork. And coffee. ![]() Finally , I took charge of Ruby! ![]() ![]() The time read, 3:18 PM. I'd paid ₹ 16,33,696 for Ruby. But I now had peace of mind. She is registered on my residential address. The odometer read 32 km. Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 18:54. | |||||||
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| Home charging infrastructure, first charge, and charging cost estimates Interior wiring a dedicated 16-amp line to my verendahI had taken note earlier of GTOs thread,and had decided to repurpose the 15A plug on our front verandah exclusively for EV charging. Quote:
The same evening I placed an order for an energy meter ![]() This was delivered on August 28th and installed on the same day. Costs As I had plenty of 2.4sq mm finolex wire, flexible tubing, and a 15 A Havells 3-pin top at home, I did not have to spend extra for these. What I did need to spend on: Amici Energy Meter: ₹1799 New Anchor 15 A Switch , Socket and a gang box: ₹270. Wiring install : ₹2000 done by Urban company after some negotiation. It was under 15 meters to the DB Change of 15A Switch (earlier one was over 30 years old), and installation of the energy meter: ₹500 Total spent on charging infrastructure: ₹ 4569 First full charge: Testing the rudimentary setupAfter delivery of Ruby, I drove back the short 3 km home, and decided to reset Trip Meter A to 0, and fill er' up to 100%. ![]() Installation of the included wall-box by Tata PowerSeptember 06, 10 AM With clockwork precision, Tata Power called up. Would I be interested to avail of their free services to setup a tamper proof outlet on the premises. They added that, 5m of external wiring , was included with the service. I asked them to come over. I got rid of the ugly gang box, and they hung up the Tata Power lockable outlet. ![]() The Tata power guy told me they normally recommend, directly running the wire to the DB, but in this case, I overruled him. I wanted the flexibility of disconnecting the box , and occassionally using power direct from the wall. Poor quality materials used in Pintops from a name-brand companyI thought that maybe this was the end of it. However, I was mistaken, when approximately 14 days into ownership, on September 21 I decided to check the health of the pintop and socket installed on the wall. Here is what I found: ![]() The Havell's 15A pintop hadn't been able to withstand the load, and had heated up and melted. That had caused cracks in the 30 year old 15A socket as well. I called the electrician back, and he installed a Norisys 25A rated pintop (usually used for AC loads), and replaced the socket. ![]() Cost of 25A pintop : ₹150 Installation cost of socket and pintop: ₹383 Total: ₹537 Grand Total: ₹5102. Fingers crossed this solution holds up! ![]() Monthly Charging CostsPrior to acquiring an EV, consumption on this electric connection varied between 150 to 300 units/month depending on the season. In winters, normally I am charged at ₹ 3.0 /unit. In the summers, I pay approximately 100 units at an enhanced slab rate of ₹ 4.50. This is because of reduced usage of high power appliance such as water pumps, air conditioners, microwave, refrigerator in the winter months. At the height of summer my baseline consumption (before EV) was roughly 300 units/month in June'24. The utility's applicable tariff structure is reproduced below - for me Individual Connection applies in table below. ![]() In September, my consumption for charging EV was 168 units. ![]() Worst case scenario if September consumption is similar to June (it won't be!) ; that means 68 units of my consumption will be charged at ₹6.50, and the remaining 100 units will be charged at ₹ 4.50. This is a weighted average cost of ₹ 5.31. Of course in winters, the WAC will reduce because the baseline consumption will fall. Therefore in winters, I'd expect to be paying about ₹ 4.50 / unit for the EV. OTOH ,In peak summers, I'd expect to pay ₹6.50. That means the maximum I'll pay is ₹6.50 which is considerably less than what commercial charging stations demand. Home charging will be my preferred charging method , for economic benefit alone. Why I won't immediately invest in a dedicated electric connection. Though the operating cost for a dedicated electric connection at home will be limited to ₹ 4.50/unit, and no fixed charges (I'm told) I am reluctant to go for it. Main reason for this, is the necessity to do civil and electric work , as all wiring,including the Utility wiring is underground , and reaches the meter+DB panels inside the premises. A new meter will also necessitate its own Distribution Box (albeit with just the one MCB). That means cutting into a wall, that's been freshly painted. I have recently endured considerable civil and contractual work during a home renovation project, and I would like to take a break from it for the next two years at least. If I do opt for a separate connection, it will likely be rolled in with other planned renovations, so that I minimize the disruption. Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 17:15. | |
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| First impressions and the first drive! September 5,2024 Ruby was here. Family all over the world wanted photos of the interior, and as it was evening, I thought the best way would be to take some photos then and there. The instrument cluster ![]() Note the low tyre pressure warning. In fact, the pressure was low in all four tyres, when I arrived home. I topped the air up, but the warning wouldn't go away. I later found, that the onboard TPMS had to be reset. Further, the TPMS was actually an iTPMS; this uses indirect data, not actual tyre pressure, to figure out the approximate tyre pressure. Mental note to self: Get a proper TPMS installed which would give an actual temperature and pressure readout! The steering wheel, Infotainment and dashboard. Apologies for the out of focus image here. ![]() My first impression as I gripped the steering, was one of bewilderment. Never before, had I actually owned a car whose interface was not very different from a smartphone! I used to own a diesel scorpio as my main drive. From that to a Glanza which had an android auto , was a step up, and required some adjustment. And now, again, here I was staring at an infotainment and digital instrument cluster , which worked seamlessly together , flexibly configurable, and most of all bombarded me with every kind of information! The dashboard, extended the smartphone like experience , with touch buttons - for hazard light, for hill descent, fog lamp activation etc. This needed getting used to. An element of unlearning was involved. And finally the center console. ![]() At one end was a wireless phone charger, at the other end, a small cubby hole fit for keys. In the middle the large jewelled gear knob rotary dial, drive mode selector, and next to it the electronic parking brake and auto hold. The gear knob dial, seemed to have a mind of its own. Though not very laggy, it didn't seem to "obey" when I twisted it to put it into D. I realized I that's because I was rotating it anti-clockwise from P to D , direct , much like a fan regulator knob that can be rotated direct from Off to 5. Intuition wont work here And your right foot better be on the brake , else it won't select D at all. I also realized the car forces the paired phone to switch to its own data hotspot when selecting android auto. In order to prevent further data quota loss , I gave Ruby her own static IP on my home network. Its sort of a befitting "Welcome Home!" for a computer on wheels ! ![]() Post dinner, the family piled on, and we went for a celebratory drive to India Gate C Hexagon, to get ice cream. ![]() The roads were empty, but as I was getting used to the car, I drove at a sedate pace in Eco Mode Regen Level 3. Total distance driven 22.7 km, with a 9% SoC drop. Not economical at all compared to the gurus. But when I did the math, that drive costed me ₹ 17, for transporting 3 adults with AC. Each ice cream at India Gate costed more! ![]() Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 17:18. |
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| The quest for genuine Tata Motors accessories ... And confronting neglect! What do car accessories have to do with neglect? Well, read on. August 29,2024Quote:
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I had suspected this all along because these accessories were available on https://ev.tatamotors.com/accessories/ . And the price he was quoting did not match the official price on the portal. So, in the end, I gave up on buying these accessories on that day. In any case, as you know, I did not get the car until much later. But I did notice something. To order accessories online, from the portal, one needs to sign in. Mental note to myself. Try out sign-in after taking delivery. September 5,2024While taking delivery, I was informed by the sales coordinator that the dealership had applied for my membership with the ZConnect app. This is the app for Tata Motors EV customers. I also spoke to the staff member responsible for accessories and asked him again for the exact accessories I wanted. He admitted he didn't have them in stock, and he could not say by when they would be. He offered to fit the Punch ICE accessories, and of course I refused. Anyway, given that the dealer did not stock these parts, once I reached home, I signed up for the ev.tatamotors.com portal using my registered mobile number and added my registered email address (registered, that is for the zconnect app). As I navigated to the accessory page, I discovered the portal wouldn't allow me to add the accessory to the basket, until I added my vehicle. And when I tried adding my vehicle either with my license plate number or my chassis number, I got an error. ![]() Thinking this was because I had not been onboarded into ZConnect app yet, I asked a clarification from the sales team. Quote:
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September 7,2024By this time, I had collected my RC card and license plate. I thought this would be sufficient time, for Tata Motors to have synced their systems. September 8,2024I was connected to the zconnect app. But I still got the same error message on the ev.tatamotors.com portal. Quote:
September 9,2024I got a puzzling email from the dealer's CRM, congratulating me on my purchase of a Tata Curvv EV. ![]() ![]() Something was quite fishy! And I recalled the surprise of the customer care agent when I told him I was calling about a Tata Punch EV, not a Tata Curvv EV. September 10, 2024The salesman called to pressure me to send a blanket mail saying delivery was complete. I would not accept that delivery was complete, because, as per my needs, I was unable to see my vehicle on the EV portal. This is when he said the dealership is responsible for only ZConnect app I escalated to tata motors customer care, stating I would not accept delivery is complete until, I was onboarded into the tata motors ev portal. I again asked them to onboard me, providing details of the error as well as my RC card. ![]() Within a couple hours I got a conciliatory email back from the dealer's CRM, saying the complaint would be kept open until I was satisfied. This email is copied to the Tata Motors TSM, the Treo Tata VP and customer care. ![]() September 11,2024The salesman called again and asked again for confirmation of delivery of the car. I refused point blank. It was a heated argument. He reiterated his scope was limited to onboarding on ZConnect. I reminded him, that he himself said that my non-onboarding to EV portal was related to zconnect app onboarding. This is where he claimed he did not understand what I meant by EV portal. ![]() Anyway, to cut to the chase, he asked me what I needed. So, I told him, the only reason why onboarding the EV portal was important, was because I wanted access to genuine accessories. I told him, I needed the original mudflaps, and most importantly, I needed the frunk. He called back an hour later and said he can arrange the frunk for ₹ 3,500, but that he won't give a bill, because he doesn't have the part number. I asked him, how is it possible that he ordered the part without a part number? There is pin-drop silence. I refused. I need a GST paid bill. He refused. The whole episode left a bad taste in my mouth. This wasn't very unlike him, pressuring me to pay a token amount for vehicle allotment at the factory. This guy had a penchant for breaking rules. September 12,2024There was no response on the issue from either the dealer or from Tata Customer Care. September 13, 2024I logged into the EV portal, and without trying to add the car, checked out the other links. That is when I found this on the Orders page: ![]() Quote:
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I again wrote an email to customer care, the Tata Motors TSM, the VP of Treo Tata, and the CRM, telling them in no uncertain terms to fix the issue. I also told them my frustration has been vented on TBHP already. And more would come on the platform through an ownership thread, where I will lay my experience threadbare. ![]() By evening of that day, nothing had happened. This time, I pointedly took a screenshot of the wrong order of Tata Curvv EV and mailed that to the same gents. My language was scathing but stopped short of calling them unprintable names. ![]() September 14,2024As I was attending an errand concerning "Ruby", I received a call from a lady at the dealership. She was evidently a senior person, I could figure that much out. She was interested in a resolution. Then for the first time ever, someone at the dealership actually figured out what I was really asking for and where the problem lay. She tried onboarding me on the EV portal and failed. Realization dawned. She called back a couple of hours; I was driving then. As soon as I took the call, she asked me to stay connected as she called people from Tata Motors in. Then she explained the problem to them. Their first reaction was "how could the dealership have messed up this bad". Anyway, I was assured that they would look into the problem, and a solution would be available by the next day. She stayed on the call to work through the issue. I really thought we were going somewhere now. At least this was the first time someone from Tata Motors realized there was a "data problem" in their system. Once I reached home, my mailbox contained a request for help by the dealership team to the Tata Motors TSM and his supervisor. I can't be sure, but it's possible they were conferenced in earlier with me. ![]() September 17, 2024An intervening Monday passed with no visible resolution. As the issue was being fronted by the dealership now, and as I hadn't heard back from anyone in Tata Motors, so I asked the Vice President of Treo Tata, for a status update. After all, he had been marked on these mails for the past several days. If anything, was he doing his job? ![]() Quite funnily, the customer care handle of Tata Motors woke up from its slumber and responded, asking me to connect with the VP for all further enquiries. ![]() ![]() Though one thing resulted from this email. I had the phone number of the VP. The other dealership staff had flat out refused to provide me his number. Not that this visibility made a difference. This VP refused to respond to calls, or messages. September 18, 2024The mail from customer care provided me an opportunity to blast the entire Tata Motors team associated with my issue. After all, it was Tata Motors official customer care responding to my email—so my response went to them—and called out the Tata Motors TSM and his supervisor for their silence. ![]() This finally elicited a response from the Tata Motors personnel. The admission that something that was wrong was being fixed and they needed more time should have come on Monday September 16, but it came on Wednesday, September 18. ![]() This was an important mail. It showed me that there was a real lack of integration within Tata Motors systems. And a lack of remediation processes. Otherwise, what could explain, a simple data update hanging fire for almost two weeks. It's the sort of problem that goes beyond a department. I figured if I waited for a resolution from this bunch, I would have to wait for a very long time. So I decided to write to the head of Tata Motors Passenger Vehicles EV Division. But I still gave the local team another day. September 19, 2024The mail to the head of EV division went out as planned. ![]() September 20, 2024Sometime in the afternoon, as I was heading to a meeting, I got a call from Tata Motors. It was a Mr. Ramakrishna on the line. I pulled over. He explained he was from IT, and had received a forwarded email with my complaint. But he wanted to hear from me. I explained everything, he told me he had looked into the problem already and fixed it. So, would I please log into the portal and confirm. I promised to look into it at my destination and call him back. Once there, I logged into the EV portal, and voila: Ruby was finally onboarded ![]() the Curvv EV order stood cancelled, a (correct) Punch EV order , and an order for Extended warranty were in place. ![]() September 21, 2024I received a call from one Mr. Satya of Tata Motors, and he introduced himself as the senior of Mr. Ramakrishna. He validated that my account on the portal was setup. He apologized for the mixup that led to the grievance, and rightly put it squarely on transitory processes in the organization. Though I wish Tata Motors had handled the transition better! Anyway, he graciously offered to onboard me to their new IRA.EV platform, which I accepted. This is how that looks in beta form. ![]() I've been invited to get back to them with my experience. Thus ended the very exhausting saga of ordering genuine Tata accessories online , which turned into a battle for being acknowledged & included as a paying customer. Last edited by libranof1987 : 15th October 2024 at 17:40. Reason: As requested | |||||||
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| Mats, Mudflaps, TPMS, Dashcam, Frunk, Rat treatment and more... Dear Reader If you've made it this far, fair warning. This part will be quite boring. No drama, just search, install and repeat. Or is it? Floor matsSeptember 6, 2024 One of the first accessories I purchased, was a decent set of mats. And yes, thats because Tata Motors has decided to make the mat ordering process dependent on getting your car ID vetted by the NSA. ;-) More importantly, these ones are dry quickly when washed, unlike the carrera fabric mats that Tata offers as a genuine accessory Nothing much to be said , except that these fitted exceedingly well, and were delivered the very next day. ![]() They also turned out to be quite easy to clean. Just yank them out, dunk them in water, shake , dry off and put back. Thanks go out to Mr. Mandar Dewalikar on the All India Tata Punch EV Owners Whatsapp Group - for recommending this product to me , based on his personal experience. Cost: ₹ 3198, shipped home. DashcamSeptember 8, 2024 I askied for opinions on the All India Tata Punch EV Owners Whatsapp Group, as to which dashcam , was suitable. Most people recommended 4K capable dashcams. Treo Tata was offering a Blaupunkt BP 5.1 dashcam that was 4K compliant for ₹9,899. ![]() This model wasn't current , Blaupunkt India website does not feature it anymore. Furthermore this model did not feature in the official accessories list on the Tata EV portal. I thought it was old stock and gave it a miss. In the end, I decided to stick with reuse of my old 70Mai Middrive D01. ![]() Its nigh on 6 years+ now, and I had harvested it from R3, after having sold him. The dashcam works, and if I ever need to throw it away I will. But I really didn't see value going for the newer breeds of 4k front and rear dashcams costing northwards of ₹ 8,000. Instead I just went to Shamshad, at Palika Bhawan (Opp Hyatt Regency) and got it installed for ₹ 500. He's worked on my cars off and on since June 2012 (Suggestions for 2-DIN audio/GPS device). Quote:
![]() Sensairy TPMS11 September 2024 The day I got Ruby home, I'd decided to install a proper TPMS system. Well, as it turns out, I'd recently refreshed the TPMS installed on the Glanza with another set of TPMS sensors. Over the last 5 years, I have been impressed with Sensairy, which last for about 5 years- approximately the lifetime of the tyre. I got talking with the Sensairy team, on September 6 , and they recommended their 4 tyre version, for ₹5400 after 10% discount. This was cheaper than Amazon, so I ordered it. It arrived in 2 days, and on 11-September , I got this installed at Tyre Plaza Lajpat Nagar for ₹1280. This included balancing weights. Total cost: ₹ 6680. Here's a view from the realtime readout (requires android auto or apple carplay) ![]() MudflapsNearby to the tyre store, is one of the old & popular car accessory shops of Lajpat Nagar : Elegant Kar Accessories. I have known the owner for decades. I got an average set of mudflaps installed for ₹400. Maybe this was a hurried decision, and I could have waited for my access to the Tata EV portal. However, it was mid september and this year we've had too much rain in the region, leading to dirty doors , fenders and quarter panels. The mudflaps are only partially effective, as you can see from the before (left) and after(right) images. ![]() FrunkSeptember 14 I had been on the lookout for a Frunk (it's a trunk in the Front - hence Frunk). Its because I needed a way to securely store the included portable charger. And that also meant that the portable charger would not be thrown around in the boot when cornering etc. I was also on the lookout for an alternative service center. A kind soul on the Tata EVians NCR and North Premier Whatsapp group recommended I check out the exclusive tata ev service center in Gurgaon Sector 14. It's run by Auto Vikas an old Tata dealer in the city. I had been having issues with my Android Auto for the past week. Quote:
Here, I met Mr. Arvind , Service Center Manager. Clearly quite competent, and running a smooth opeation. I got the update done, and while there, asked him if possible , can I get the Frunk? As it so happens, the Frunk wasn't at that point a regular accessory (in fact it wasn't featured on the EV portal). However, the team there, were happy to re-direct a Frunk for my car as an accessory , with bill for ₹5,500. Such a far cry from Treo Tata who had been wanting to sell a Frunk without a bill. The difference between the two establishments stood out. The attachment process itself is quite quick. Just undo a few bolts holding the engine cover in place. Remove and replace with the frunk. Here's how the installation went. The Frunk was finally attached to Ruby, and the portable charger finally found a home. ![]() The part number for Frunk wasn't immediately available. They provided me a countersale receipt. ![]() The staff in charge of accessories promised to send the bill at the earliest. Here's the bill for the Frunk- it did arrive , albeit after a few days. ![]() I have the plastic engine cover left over. I'm not quite sure, what Tata Motors expects us to do with it. ![]() The Punch EV sales brochure had mentioned that the frunk is standard with Empowered + S, Empowered + LR + S. All other Punch EV variants get the frunk as an accessory item. AFAIK, all Punch EVs are manufactured with this engine cover. Many of these engine covers will eventually be thrown away by those owners that get the frunk (whether "free" or bought as accessory). Looking at the size of the frunk and engine cover, I am pretty sure they would cost almost the same to make. This left me quite bewildered. Why couldn't Tata Motors just give the Frunk standard with the car? After purchasing the frunk, I've noticed that anything stored there get pretty warm after a drive of only about 20-25 km. Tata Motors should put a warning label suitably informing customers about the potential of damage to temperature sensitive belongings. Data CablesSeptember 17 As there is a probability of two maybe three additional passengers in the car, at any given time, I purchased for 3 standard data/charging cables. Two of these are fitted to the provided USB A and USB C ports under the fascia. A third cable is kept as a standby or insurance spare. Cost : ₹ 997 and ordered from amazon. ![]() Jack and SpannerSeptember 24 As a former Tata Motors employee, I do find it a bit embarassing having to recount my experience of Jack and Toolkit (spanner) here in this section with what are clearly non-essential accessories. And yet, for all practical purposes , it seems Tata Motors wants to change the perception of this essential driver aid, and relegate it to that of an accessory. Something you can do without. I discovered during PDI that a Jack and Spanner weren't present in the boot. Quote:
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On September 21, 2024, I raised this with the Dealer CRM of Treo Tata Nehru Place, on the WhatsApp group they'd set up exclusively for me when selling me the car. ![]() I told them that the owners manual mentioned Jack and Spanner were supposed to be supplied with the car. Yet, this wasn't found in the PDI and had no mention on the Delivery checklist. As I expected, there was no response. Nevertheless, I decided to call the CRM on September 23 (Monday). After validating that indeed the owner manual did mention that the jack & toolkit were to be supplied with the car, she said that she doesn't have any instructions on how to cater to this request. At one point she said, that if I insisted , she could get me the item, but that it would come out of the salesman's pocket. I objected to that : how was the salesman to be blamed? In this instance either Tata Motors would supply the item, or replace the obviously defective owner's manual. On September 24, I noted that the left side of the page did not have important information and the dealer's stamp on it. Apparently warranty was contingent on the proper stamp and signature. So, I went to the dealer's office to get this paperwork filled out. The GM and CRM met me. While there, the topic of jack and toolkit came up. They sent me the same image mentioned in the aforementioned TBHP post. Then they mentioned that they could supply me the item as a gesture of goodwill. I told them, There's no need; if I've purchased a car for ₹ 16 lakh+, I can also afford a Jack and spanner. Instead, I would much prefer to raise this to Tata Motors customer service, as it is they that printed the owner's manual stating that the jack and toolkit come with the car. They said if I do that, then they will be forced to open an inquiry on the salesman. I disagreed. I told them the salesman made a different blunder, ordering the wrong car and then offering me a frunk without a bill. This is about a jack and spanner, and here Tata Motors is at fault. The GM said: Quote:
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They called me back after 10 minutes and asked me to pickup the jack and toolkit, compliments of the dealership. Finally Treo Tata had made an effort to complete the car's delivery in its entirety - and I acknowledged this. There was nothing else outstanding from them, 19 days into my ownership They also asked me to sign a customer satisfaction note stating my complaint about lack of Jack and spanner had been attended to. Maybe they will send this to Tata Motors with a bill. I hope they do. If ever there's a criminal code published for automakers: Not supplying jack and toolkit with a car should top the list of offenses! ![]() Now the boot looks complete. Most essentials:—Jack, Spanner, Tow Hook, Compressor, Warning Triangle—are all in the bag. ![]() 3M Rat Repellent Spray & CarKit 360° Rat Repellent Ultrasound deviceSeptember 25 3M Rat Repellent Spray 2024 will go down as a year of unprecedented rain in the Delhi NCR region and localized flooding. This has led to rodents such as rats, mice and shrews being displaced from their natural habitat, and seeking refuge wherever there is warmth and a dry environment. Cars have always represented a favorite haunt of these animals. As we have the Glanza parked under a tree (therefore perhaps more at risk than Ruby the Punch.ev) , I decided to get 3M Rat Repellent Spray and apply it as an emergency preventive maintenance on both vehicles. ![]() I applied a full can (250 grams) to their pre-cleaned engine bays, making sure to coat all electrical conduits, plastics, and, of course, rubber hoses. This stuff reportedly lasts for a month or two atleast. I have never seen evidence of these creatures between applications. ![]() Cost : ₹ 245 for one treatment. CarKit 360° Rat Repellent Ultrasound device I am not sure how much ultrasound emitters help, but I installed one of these in each of our cars as well. This is a no-name brand CarKit 360° Rat Repellent There is some anxiety of auxillary battery drain on the (now) less used Glanza, but I have a Bosch C7 charger, which I intend to use to top up the charge every week. I got these delivered direct from the manufacturer for ₹ 2500 each (total ₹ 5000 as I purchased two kits). Unboxing the kit ![]() Installation is simple. Just tie the playing card-sized box to an available anchor point using the provided cable ties. It helps if the anchor point is close to the 12V battery. ![]() This is how the connections go. ![]() I had spoken to the manufacturer and asked for eyelet terminals that are easy to attach, instead of the default crocodile clips that ships from amazon. Fasten the power cables to the auxiliary battery, and use the smaller cable ties to tidy up loose wiring. Rajender my FNG, did the job for ₹50 per car. I hope these two meaures keep these vile creatures away. Puncture Repair KitSeptember 30 I got myself a regular puncture repair kit from Amazon. Its all about Keeping It Simple & Straightforward (KISS), and at Amazon, WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) ![]() It contains everything needed to test the position of a leak, remove the nail, prep and apply the rubber cement strip, and cut off any excess. Simple, Robust. Works. Scuff plates on door sillsOctober 6 At the end of the first service , I treated Ruby to a set of scuff plates. This is because, on all our previous owned cars, door sills invariably looked the worse for wear and tear after a few months, due to abrasive effect on paint by soil/sand adhering to the soles of footwear. ![]() ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ******************************* Summary of costs for accessories:Floor Mats: ₹ 3198 Dashcam: ₹ 500. The cost of the dashcam ($33 and change has depreciated to zero) Sensairy TPMS : ₹ 6680. This includes item cost and cost of installation Frunk : ₹ 5500 Data Cables: ₹ 997 Jack & Spanner : ₹ 0 (Complimentary!) 3M Rat Repellent Spray (1 application): ₹ 245 CarKit 360° Rat Repellent : ₹2550 (including installation) Puncture Repair Kit: ₹ 0 (used complimentary gift card courtesy credit card rewards) Scuff plates: ₹ 1299 Total Additional Accessories: ₹ 20,969 Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 17:44. | ||||||
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| Software update of the Infotainment system September 14,2024 Readers will recollect, a problem I had surfaced earlier in the WhatsApp support group for Tata Punch EV owners Quote:
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![]() The only way the infotainment would revert to normal behaviour , would be to perform a forced restart. Now that's not easy to do, practically speaking. One can't take one's attention off the road , and navigate deep inside system settings to perform this action ![]() The only way out , as advised by fellow owners, was to get the infotainment software updated. I was tempted to do a self update. Instructions existed , via an unofficial telegram channel. ![]() And in fact, several owners on both the NCR and the All India WhatsApp group had done successful updates using the .upd file available on a public share. Yet, I desisted. Why? Because the OP on that channel, wouldn't guarantee the software's performance. In a sense, if something went wrong with the update, the owner was on his own. Readers, may recall, that around thid time , I was desperately looking out for a ruse to identify an EV service center that could be trusted. Getting a software update done, sounded like the perfect reason to find one. A helpful moderator on the local WhatsApp group pointed me to NCR region's exclusive Tata EV outlet run by AutoVikas , and asked me to contact Mr. Arvind , the very helpful Service Manager. ![]() 10:15 AM. Peak hour. I reached the service center without an appointment, yet was promptly attended to. The customer reception area was adequately sized and right next to Mr. Arvind's room. I introduced myself to him as the "friend of a friend" , but he didn't hold that against me! :-) I've had experience of Mahindra before, so I knew Tata wouldn't be all that different. I've had my share of service center experiences where they promised the Earth , and all one got for their trust ,was mud. So, in my mind, it's all about the people.
If the answer to these questions is "yes", then one should follow that service center for life. It's for this reason that I had chosen Koncept Mahindra's Okhla service center—even though they moved twice. It's for the same reason, I had chosen Galaxy Toyota's Okhla Service Center—through both my Toyota cars. That's why, for me, after the purchase of a car, the choice of primary service center is perhaps the most important decision one will make during the ownership experience. Mr. Arvind answered all my questions with candour. The reception area was bristling with activity. Service advisors were using mobile desks to catch up on paperwork. The workshop itself was squeaky clean. Everything (and I mean everything) was neatly labelled. Not even a single tool box was out of place. I quietly watched the movements of the technical staff. I could see they were properly uniformed, deferred to the site DT (diagnostic technician), and to Mr. Arvind or the Job Controller. All this went to show the team here took pride in their work, were passionate about the work they did, and most importantly , genuinely respected the chain of command. The technician working on deploying the software update, described his career, that included working on supercars, and how his interest in learning about EVs drew him to this workshop, how he was trained and enabled. The pride and quiet confidence were evident. The software update itself consisted of plugging in the USB stick, waiting for it to be recognized, selecting "Update" from the Infotainment menu, and essentially waiting for it to finish. But wait, No! As in most things from Indian brands, it did require having a go twice! Apparently it's a known issue with the update process. You see, the first time this update gets deployed, turn signal chimes stop working. So it needs installation again. At least that's what I was told. But I think there may be a technical explanation involving a failed copy or validation step, the first time around. The About screen post update: ![]() The update was over in about an hour. A zero bill with gate pass was generated shortly after. ![]() I waited around for the frunk to be installed. That didn't take long. I left at 12:30 PM. Satisfied. Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 17:47. | ||
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| Looking back at the first thousand kilometers after driving the first hundred! ![]() So, what are some of the key impressions & takeaways as an owner and a driver of the Punch EV Empowered+LR? Learning to Drive, Once again.I remember hitting 100 km on the odometer, It was 8:09 AM, the day after I ushered Ruby home , September 6. I had on a whim decided to WFH, but realized my laptop charger was in the office desk drawer. I'd woken up early, raced into office, and was back home well before rush hour traffic hit the streets. I don't remember hitting 1000 km on the odometer, but can fairly guess it must have been around 12:50 PM on September 24 If you were to ask me, what's changed? It's a deeper understanding of the car's capabilities , and therefore more confidence in myself. The first two weeks of ownership were characterized by driving maddeningly slowly, restricting myself to Eco Mode—Regen Level 3, accompanied by watching the energy meter with a hawk eye, trying to extract maximum range. The first three or four days, went by in learning to modulate speed , according to traffic, using just the A pedal. The energy meter , and the day's review of driving behaviour used to show suboptimal acceleration. Which meant I was prone to losing momentum, and therefore a few dozen kilometers of range. The zeal to extract maximum range, resulted in my resorting to using cruise control in city limits. I got acquainted with a cruise control system that could be activated at much lower speeds than diesels/petrols of the day. And I learnt to modulate speed, in city traffic, exclusively using the cruise speed +/- buttons. I tried this a couple of times in low traffic conditions of early morning, and I was rewarded with very decent economy figures, but then this sort of driving wasn't sustainable. Then I learned that the range indicator indicates anything but an accurate range. A better indicator is how much SOC is left, and how many kilometers have been driven since 100% SOC. I asked other Punch EV owners, and they said try City with Regen level 1. I did, and it transformed the way I was looking at the economy number. I was turning out quite similar mileage, but I was also cutting my travel time by 10%. And having loads of fun doing so. Imagine going from 0 to 50 kph in 3 maybe 4 seconds. Pesky road runners are usually left far behind, in a dead heat. But there have been no instances of road races or rage. And I let all the stereotypical red corpuscled & corpulent dilliwala pass me by. Why inspire them to buy an EV and give them more ammunition to wreak more mayhem? I have become more empathetic towards the mechanicals. I have taken to swivelling the gear dial to neutral at red lights, and engaging Drive when the car in front starts to move. I have also, taken to set the speed limit to 60 kmph, as that's the maximum allowable speed limit on my route. Gone are those days, of swiftly downshifting, and flooring the A pedal in a bid to race away from slower vehicles around me. My patience with other drivers has taken a turn for the better. I used to react to bad drivers, with a few choice epithets, mouthing off in rage. Maybe it's the quieter environment around me, that has calmed me down. There's no engine noise, everything is much quieter all around. I am within the speed limit, this gives me time to react defensively. And I find myself swearing at surprises sprung by people or cattle less and less. I think Ruby will make me a better driver in the long run. And I am still learning. Range AnxietyLet's address the elephant in the room: Range Anxiety. Though I have installed plugshare, statiq and tata power apps , that was more out of FOMO, and satisfying my curiosity. I have never actually used these EV charging apps. There has never been a need. Bottomline: At the time of composing this , and I have more than 1000 km under the belt, I haven't felt anything like range anxiety. The Empowered+LR is equipped with a 35 kwh battery. That's easily good for 250 km of in-city driving with 90% AC on, and an average of 3 adults in the car, with 15% SOC left over. But I like to keep a buffer and have decided to not wait till 15% SoC but to charge whenever I hit 25% SoC, or as soon as convenient over this threshold. And even if I am ever faced with a situation of only 25% SoC at my office , I'll still have enough reserve to come back home. Though there are 3 different fast charger clusters installed where I work! Its quite unlikely that I'll ever leave home, with a possibility of having 25% SoC left at destination. That's the other thing that owning an EV has taught me these past weeks. It's about planning the next day's journey. This has led to deliberate choices about the routes to take, and which errands to prioritize. I'm able to get things done more efficiently this way. Gone are those days of inefficiently travelling twice to nearly the same place for two different things because I "forgot" about the other thing. I guess this is true for more than most. Ubiquitous availability with general prosperity results in inefficiency. As noted previously, at the present time, my average cost per unit is anywhere between ₹4.5 and ₹6.5. This is why I prefer slow charging at home. There's no point in going out of my way to locate a fast charger, when, at any given point in time, I am never more than 30 km away from my home. Till date, I've never used anything but the supplied portable charger. That too, always at home. The owner's manual in fact recommends slow charging at least once every 4 charge cycles. That's the bare minimum. It also recommends avoiding driving below 10% SoC. ![]() Having noted the above, On September 28, I did a planned and controlled discharge of Ruby to less than 10% SoC under everyday driving conditions. I wanted to confirm if my battery pack was correctly calibrated, and one of the tell tale signs is sudden discharge at low battery levels. You may have seen this phenomenon with older smartphones, whose charge levels drop from 9%-10% levels to 0% very quickly (phone shuts down). ![]() At 10% SoC, the Distance to Empty is replaced by the Recharge reminder, a warning on the instrument cluster appeared saying "Limited Performance Mode is activated", and notifications from the ZConnect App arrived asking me to recharge. This notification, incidentally buzzed on my smartwatch as well. The Limp Home Mode warning also got activated on the instrument cluster. ![]() At 9% SoC , acceleration was sluggish, I found that one could switch between City and Eco Drive modes and also select different Regen levels. However Sports mode couldn't be engaged (in fact it can't be engaged at SoC <= 25% per owner's manual). Also, I found that one can breach the Limp Home speed limit of 50 kph. Note that I reached 10% SoC around 4:05 PM, but I hit 52 kph at 4:28 pm , considerably after Limp Home Mode got activated. ![]() This behaviour contradicts what the owner's manual says. ![]() AC continued to function okay , despite being in Limp Home mode. I couldn't detect noticeably less cooling: the windows were up, and lack of AC, would be apparent very quickly. That did not happen. I stopped the car for some errands at 6% SoC. On restarting , I found a couple of momentary warnings on instrument cluster (as can be expected). They were gone before I could capture them on my phone. So, when I reached home, I recreated the situation, by turning the motor off and on again. One was the "Limited Performance Mode Activated" warning, and the other was "Battery needs to be charged." ![]() Though all functions continued to be available as a glance at the fascia, instrument cluster and infotainment showed. ![]() Just before I turned Ruby off, I noted I had done 260+ km, largely a mix of driving in City mode (75%) and Eco mode (25%), with varied application of Regen. ![]() During this use cycle, most times, there were two or three adults, and AC was on at a comfortable 23°C throughout (Auto mode). Though I don't think AC per se contributes much to depleting range, it's more about preserving momentum and gross weight, IMO. Finally, to give an idea of how long it took to charge back to 100% ![]() I started charging at 5:25 PM on Saturday, 28th, from 6% SoC. I received a notification at 7:46 AM on Sunday 29th that charging was complete (100% SoC) Units consumed: 37.51 I am not quite sure how this units consumed maths is correct: because the battery capacity is 35kwh, and to make up 94% capacity it should have consumed ~33kwh . I am not sure if the sub-optimal power factor has anything to do with this , or it's an error in the energy meter or something entirely different. If you know, please enlighten me. Time: 14 hours , 21 minutes The planned and controlled discharge and subsequent recharge test at least proved there's nothing catastrophically wrong with the battery pack presently. Range Anxiety is unlikely to happen in the forseeable future. Not with my stated use case. For highway drives , we have the Glanza. Its decent enough, and can pull its weight. Owners that don't drive should avoid buying the Punch.EVFor a car that, even after the recent price cuts, will easily cost ₹ 15 lakhs+ for top variant ex Delhi, if you plan to be seated in the rear, then look elsewhere. For the same money, much better options are available. It's not about being in a squeeze with 3 passengers. That's a given. Ingress Ingress is easy, with all doors opening at a wide 90° angle. Seats are easy to get to. But the real question is, would someone like to be seated here for more than an hour? ![]() Rear Seating Comfort Owners taller than 6' ? chances are high that they will feel that both the underthigh support and legroom are limited. Tall occupants will find their knees positioned higher than hip level due to the angle the seat makes with the back. While the seat width does not reach to the back of their knees, the back of their legs loses contact with the seat about 3-4" well before the knee. This causes some discomfort. This is exacerbated by compromised legroom, especially if the seat pocket contains a small laptop or the sunday newspaper. ![]() Lack of headroom for people taller than 6' Notice the headrest almost touching the ceiling headliner? That's precisely what a tall owner will have to endure seated on the rear bench. There's only about a 3 to 4" gap between the top of the head and the roof. This is due to the sloping roof line. A tall passenger may indeed hit his head hard on the ceiling due to the bounciness induced by the firm suspension. ![]() Unimaginative use of space to facilitate storage of items of everyday use ![]() Shown here is the back of the center console, that consists of a single cubby hole, just about large enough to put 1 hand in. The other side shows the very unimaginative compartmentalization of the storage inside the rear door card. The rear door card for instance, can hold one water bottle and perhaps a mobile phone. The slanting space can accommodate a small bag of chips. That's it. ![]() Above the storage compartments in the rear door card and adjacent to the power window control is the standard-sized cubby hole for candy wrappers and loose change. ![]() No dedicated Power outlet for rear bench The back of the center console suggests Tata may have kept a provision for USB outlets/12V sockets but then disappointingly left it out! Maybe aftermarket offerings can help address this gap. ![]() The owner's manual suggests a power outlet is provided at the back of the LH seat near the headrests. But there's nothing there. Was someone ![]() ![]() The only option for rear-seat passengers is to carry their own power banks or snake a wire from the front row (untidy!) No cup holders! The owner's manual suggests that the rear seat armrest has a facility to rest your coffee cup. Sadly, reality is very different. If there were cup holders ever, they've since been removed, and the arm rest is permanently stitched shut! ![]() Stay in the dark No ceiling light/dome light for the rear seat(s). The dome light in the front row is subdued , and its throw isn't adequate for the rear seat. ![]() Therefore, forget looking for a dropped coin or earring in the dark. Uncomfortably warm at the rear Tata might have made the rear bench a tad more comfortable by providing an additional rear AC vent. As it happens, the HVAC unit's performance is upstaged by range priorities. That may have been mitigated somewhat had Tata installed a small blower at the back of the center console, above the quite small cubby hole. ![]() The lack of amenities and space for the rear passenger is another reason; the car isn't suitable for a family drive that's in excess of an hour, maybe two. It doesn't matter much to me. I don't think, I will encounter this scenario. SafetyI'd chosen Empowered Plus LR; this has all the safety features available in the highest variant. So, on the face of it, my choice didn't compromise on what was possible to be purchased. But let's take a quick look at what these features are, and to what extent is this important (on a scale of 1-5, with 5 being most important , and 1 being least) for my use case. Also, I am applying a slightly wider context to the term safety. For me, Safety isn't only about people involved but also for the vehicle itself (anything therefore that reduces collision risk, however minor, in that such collision doesn't endanger occupants or pedestrians ) ABS With EBD: ABS, Prevents the wheels from locking up when you brake suddenly, allowing you to steer while braking hard. ABS uses sensors on each wheel to monitor speed and relay this information to the car's Electronic Control Unit (ECU). EBD Automatically adjusts the amount of braking force applied to each wheel based on road conditions, speed, and loading. EBD works with ABS to maximize stopping power while maintaining control of the vehicle. Importance: 5. I think this feature has become standard, in the Indian car market, over the course of the last two decades. Conditions for its use appear in both city and highway use conditions. SOS /Breakdown Calling: This is available through a dedicated button in the ceiling as well as through the mobile app. I tried the breakdown function and it appears to send the live location to the helpline. Very cool Importance: 1 (for me). This is a roundabout way of asking for assistance in NCR, where this car will be primarily used. It's much more efficient to request assistance by calling the emergency services, or the dealer directly and WhatsApping live location to the responder. All Disc Brakes: : Needs no explanation Importance: 5. Highways/or City. I prefer disc brakes for superior braking. Electronic Stability program: This consists of a whole range of stability and traction control functions. Features such as: Offroad ABS (unlikely to be used in city conditions), Electronic Traction Control (+++), Roll Over Mitigation (unlikely to be ever used as I don't do sharp turns/corners at high speeds), Brake Disc Wiping (Interesting feature - probably may be useful during monsoons), Electronic Brake Pre-fill (never heard of this mechanism before, but does promise shorter braking distance). Importance: 5 - for the sheer range of assistants available. I for one think most of these will never get exercised during the tenure of my ownership. But hey, if it manages to save lives, I am all for it. Collapsible Steering Wheel: Needs no explanation. This should be standard fitment on all cars. Importance: 5 - no debate at all. This is a life saver even in low-speed crashes. 6 airbags Needs no explanation. Importance: 5 - no debate at all. Electronic Parking Brake (EPB) With Auto Hold: Needs no explanation. Importance: 5 - because Delhi-NCR sees a lot of bumper-to-bumper traffic on flyovers, where rollbacks can happen if one isn't careful. So as it could prevent a minor collision and a potential road rage incident involving loved ones, a big YES. Built on GNCAP5 star rated platform - GNCAP5 Needs no explanation. Importance: 1. Because they haven't tested the Punch EV per se. I don't know what a frontal impact, side impact or pole impact will mean, when the tinder box underneath my feet is punctured and catches fire. Will the fact that 6 airbags cocooned me, and the collapsible steering column didn't puncture my liver be any consolation if I can't escape the vehicle, and the punctured batteries explode shortly after in thermal runaway. Headlamp Leveling: Affords better visibility to the driver and can help avoid blinding oncoming traffic. Importance: 1 or 2: Unlikely that the vehicle will be loaded to capacity in city use. Also very few chances of using the car at night. Hill Descent Control: : Helps maintain a constant speed when going down a steep grade. Importance: 1. Unlikely to ever use this feature, as the car will be driven in relatively flat NCR region. ISOFIX: Needs no explanation. Importance: 1. Everyone in the family is an adult. Speed Alert: When the vehicle speed crosses 80 kmph, then speed limit warning indicator turns ‘ON’ along with an audio chime for every two minutes (audible warning). When the vehicle speed is reduced below 75 kmph, then the speed limit warning indicator and the audio warning will turn off. If vehicle speed crosses 120 kmph, the speed limit warning indicator flashes along with an audio warning for every two seconds one beep (audible warning) until the vehicle speed is above 120 kmph. When the vehicle speed is reduced below 115 kmph, then speed limit warning indicator turns ‘ON’ along with an audio chime, and for every two minutes one beep (audible warning) Importance: 1. The maximum speed limit is 60 60kmph inside the city, where the car will be driven. Perimetric Alarm System: This is just marketing speak for reverse parking alarm. Importance: 5. I have gotten to depend on the audible warning. Cant do without it. Puncture Repair Kit: This is the air-compressor cum sealant kit included with the Punch EV Importance: 1. I gave this a low score of 1, because in my opinion, a puncture repair kit is NOT a show stopper in a car that I plan to use as a beater car for city use. Next of all it's not a good solution. It works on the premise that you'll leave the nail in the tread and sealoff its entry point. In fact, if you think about it logically, you are better off removing the nail, plugging the tyre with a regular rubber cement strip (available for ₹250 at any car accessory shop), after using the hopefully supplied jack and spanner. This is vastly superior due to its simplicity, robustness and permanence. Applying the sealant requires you to follow a really elaborate procedure outlined in the manual: first use the sealant but underinflate the tyre, then drive for 3-10 km, then stop and fill air to the correct pressure, then take the car to a tyre dealer, so they can take the tyre off the rim to wash off the sealant, and then finally fix the tyre anyway using a rubber cement strip. This exercise will cost you money and time. In the city, particularly in the daytime, I can stop, overinflate the tyre temporarily, find a puncture repair shop, and be home after getting the puncture fixed in less than half the time, and at a fraction of the expense of the sealant solution. Even at night one can in principle ,just overinflate, reach home, and fix the problem the next day. Tata Motors design team went overboard with this solution. Front Defroster/Rear Demister: Needs no explanation Importance: 5. no debate at all. Rear Parking Sensors: Needs no explanation Importance: 5. no debate at all. At the same time, Front parking sensors are glaringly absent. Though the Front camera does help mitigate from scrapes, if one remembers to turn it on. Reverse Parking Camera: Needs no explanation Importance: 5. no debate at all. This is a must-have. The dynamic guide is such an upgrade from what I've been used to on R3 and the Glanza Seat Belt Reminder: Reminders on front seats are enabled by a weight sensor; no such weight sensor is available on the rear seats. This leads to people byepassing the system altogether by keeping the seat belts buckles engaged when no one is on the rear seat. And when people do use the rear seat, they invariably end up sitting on the seat belt instead of wearing them - thus making the rear seat belt reminder totally obsolete. An example of Tata Motors not thinking through the implications of the system design. Importance: 5. no contest. I live with the warning chimes of rear seat belts not buckled when no one is seated there. It's better than someone not wearing the seat belt if seated Seat Belt With Pretensioners & Load Limiters: These are designed to limit injury in case of a collision. Pre-tensioners tighten the seat belt around the body, keeping the occupant from moving in the event of a crash, whereas load limiters prevent injury to the chest by slacking the shoulder strap. I suspect this is supplied only for the driver and co-driver seats, not for all seat belts. This isn't clarified anywhere. Importance: 5. Speed Dependent Auto Door Locks: These lock the vehicle when it picks up speed. One benefit is keeping occupants secure from bad actors at a red light for instance. Importance: 5. Plenty of incidents of gangs trying to loot laptops/mobile phones in congestion/red lights iTPMS: Indirect TPMS (iTPMS) systems such as this do not use physical pressure sensors; they measure air pressures using software-based systems, that work by evaluating and combining existing sensor signals such as wheel speeds, accelerometers, and driveline data to estimate and monitor the tire pressure without physical pressure sensors. I have found the implementation on Punch to be utterly and completely useless, ,because a) it doesn't give a pressure readout, and b) It activates only if pressure is drastically lower in one tyre or one axle compared to the other. This means that the driver only gets a warning when it's too late. I've had to get a regular TPMS solution to alert me of pressure drops well in advance. The system notifies my phone's app, and I get instant notification alerts through a buzz on my smartwatch. Its far more effective when I know one tyre suddenly shows an unexplained pressure drop of 5 psi but not the others. Importance: 5. Just because any TPMS, even iTPMS is better than no TPMS at all! Build QualityThis is an area where Tata Motors have done an excellent job. There's evidence of sturdy build quality that doesn't totally compromise refinement, almost everywhere. From the bonnet to the tailgate, and all doors in between, each shuts with a reassuringly solid thunk , and zero rattles / vibrations thereafter. This means all "loose" objects not melded with the closing door are well secured. In the interior, the plastics don't rattle or squeak when pounded. No, nor does the headliner. The storage cubby between driver and co-driver as well as the glovebox open silently and shut with a snap-fit, then stay shut. There's no rattle. In fact, there's no sound in the cabin of any loose object rattling or rolling over—whether from the interior or from the engine bay. Even the tools in the trunk are held securely in place, with robust stays. It's very refined and solid. However, sometimes the tailgate doesn't shut completely, requiring extra efforts to swing it shut. But it's not a big problem. Last edited by joybhowmik : 7th October 2024 at 18:40. |
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| What's Ruby like, Inside and Outside? How well does it drive? Outside First!Here's Ruby, in the office underground parking. Its dusty from the day's commute, and the subdued lighting doesn't do it justice. ![]() But I like the color and think it goes well with the shape. Wait No! I absolutely adore it. ![]() Here's Ruby at India Gate! ![]() This is maybe why I had no qualms paying ₹ 1.45 lakhs more. I'm kidding! ![]() And another two shots from the same morning. Front profile pic ![]() and a side profile pic! ![]() It glows in the dark too - kind of cool! ![]() I also think the rear goes well with the front. ![]() I like the cute wrap around tail lights, and of course the various distinctive marks and badges, that include a very discreet rhino, and a surprising Vocal4Local sticker from an MNC company belonging to a Global Group! Distinctive Style Statement ![]() BTW, I wonder what both these are all about? Does anyone know - why a Rhino,and why a Vocal4Local sticker on this model? All Digital Premium Experience for driver and co-driverThe Punch.ev offered me an unforgettable all-digital experience from the moment I stepped into the cabin and wrapped my hands on the steering wheel, till the point I switched off and left. From a digital instrument cluster that extends infotainment functions to the incredibly sophisticated infotainment screens, to an all-digital fascia, everything looks and feels as if it fits right in with my smart device centric lifestyle. It doesn't end at that, the premium nature of the interiors extends to the plastics , the fabric of the seats, the nice faux leather of the steering, the damper on the glove box ... Coming as I was from the rough and ready world of a 4WD scorpio, this sort of refinement was not only all fascinatingly new for me , it was also a refreshing change - nicer! Subconciously this was probably a huge factor in choosing the Punch.ev over the Taiago.ev , MG Comet and XUV400 - though the vehicle size class is different. Doors that open 90° wide The premium experience starts with front doors that open wide, welcoming in their expanse. ![]() The sill is a bit high in comparison to the low-slung Glanza; however, there is no grab handle to get an assist from. Though one may forgive Tata Motors—after all, it's a city car, not an offroading SUV like my erstwhile R3. Expansively Roomy and airy cockpit experience Seen from the other side, the cockpit area is roomy and appears well-stocked. The seats in white add to the illusion of space. ![]() Premium quality steering wheel Once inside, the two spoke, flat bottomed, faux leather wrapped dual tone steering wheel feels a mile higher than the plasticky experience with R3, our Innova and even the Glanza. My hands instinctively grip it. The texture is is soft yet reassuringly firm when gripped. It exudes a premium vibe. The steering is adjustable to one's shoulder height. The excellent range of seat adjustment positions, obviates the need for telescopic adjustment. Ergonomically placed buttons help issue basic commands to infotainment system and the instrument cluster , and to control speed are all within easy reach. Control stalks and paddle shifters (that control multi-mode regen levels) complete the ensemble. I've successfully done a commute to work (25 km away) in light traffic, only using the controls available on the steering wheel. Yes, I did not touch the A pedal or B pedal at all after reaching cruise speed. All braking and speed control, lane changes, etc were successfully done using only the controls available via the steering wheel. This also delivered the best SoC use to-date. In the interest of safety, I would not recommend this way of driving for everyone, but this is precisely what I meant in the section 'Learning to Drive, Once again'. ![]() And wait! It's lit too! The light-colored inside is a dirt magnet, though. Dirt alongwith sweat from palms sticks to the surface, and can make the off-white colour gray in a few weeks. Colin spray or equivalent with microfiber towels is great to keep it spick and span! The Seats Ventilated & plush seats in a white fabric adorn the front row. These offer comfortable under thigh, back and head support and such a differentiated experience compared with the rear bench. I only wonder, why would an owner , choose to sit in the back and be driven around by a chauffer? ![]() Seat adjustments are all manual (thank god!) and these make it easy to adjust the seat height just right in relation to one's shoulder height and the steering wheel height setting. Ventilator fan control is through a three step regulator on the side. The white color has its disadvantages. Dirt or stains smudged on is easily visible. Tata Motors recommends Wurth and Autokrom, but I'll have to try with genteel solution + vinegar for a small smear , that's been left on the driver seat since before the delivery date. Both seats have weight sensors , unlike the rear seats. View of the outside One of the best elements that I liked is the commanding view from the windscreen. On this count, Punch.ev scored higher than the MG ZS in my evaluation. The higher seating position makes it easier to see where the corners of the bonnet are. ![]() The motorized ORVMs are large and chunky. They each offer a reasonable angle of view, this is supplemented with Blind spot monitoring using the 360° Surround View system (SVS). One can't complain any more about thick C pillars obstructing lane change maneuvers. Incidentally, the comparatively better sharpness of the images (grainy ones in MG ZS EV) , and the non-availability of the 360° camera in XUV 400 , were important plus points in favour of the Tata Punch EV. ![]() Rear view is just about adequate to manage in NCR traffic. The sloping roofline is the reason the rear view's compromised. The headrests, add their bit as well. ![]() The autodimming IRVM comes with a manual ON/OFF override switch that can be useful, when reversing towards someone who has his headlights on. (Otherwise, in normal functioning, the autodimming function switches off when reverse gear is engaged). Thoughtful design. ![]() The center console The center console is the next significant element of the premium front row experience. ![]() It starts with the dashboard fascia , just underneath the infotainment, and ends with a small storage box in between the front row seats. In between, are two cup holders; drive control buttons : to switch driving modes, auto-hold & electronic parking brake; a jewelled rotary gear selector; a 15 Watt wireless power charging unit with an anti-slip mat, USB A, USB C, and a 12V outlet. One complaint in this setup is that the storage box is quite small, and the left arm rest (doubling as it's lid) is inadequate. Tata should have designed the lid on the storage box to slide forward instead of being attached with a hinge. The fascia in piano black with a glossy finish looks great. The backlit touch buttons are flush mounted and add to the digital theme. The blower and temperature controls, though, are implemented with physical toggle switches, that break the monotony of an all touch user experience. ![]() At first glance, the plethora of touch-button driver controls left me bewildered (non-intuitive placement) and a bit overwhelmed (unawareness of icons): a) due to their non-intuitive placement (for instance, climate control is at the bottom, whereas less used buttons such as hill descent are in the top row). It was difficult to create muscle memory in the first week of operation. b) For the initial couple of days, when I hadn't had the time to read through the manual thoroughly, I found it difficult to understand the purpose of some of the touch buttons. I had to ask someone in the WhatsApp group to discover the button for opening the charging flap, and for unlocking the charger. c) Even now, sometimes when adjusting the AC temperature, I end up brushing the back of my finger against the 360° camera touch button—this has the irritating effect of showing the rear camera view instead of Android Auto! Cup holders for both the front row occupants have been thoughtfully provided. This is thoughtful gesture; it's so nice to be able to rest one's coffee mug in its own spot rather than have to compete for a space. ![]() However, not all coffee mugs can be easily accommodated in these narrow cup holders. I had to buy slender water bottles and mugs! Incidentally, these cup holders have a weird key symbol (no, it does not denote a temperature gauge). Wonder why that is so? Is it an easter egg? Please comment if you know the answer. ![]() The wireless charger underneath the fascia is equipped with an anti-slip removable mat, and is adequately sized to hold my large mobile phone. In addition, the USB ports flexibly charge and connect to the infotainment. I am using the 12V outlet to power the dashcam. I've opted not to deploy any 12V multi-way extension sockets. This isn't a car for a long drive. ![]() Ceiling controls The ceiling gets a central dome light with a 3-way switch. The unit incorporates the microphone and speaker for phone calls. On its side are two buttons to call for help—an SOS button and a Breakdown button - pressing either sends current GPS coordinates and calls the helpline using the e-sim bundled with the car. There's also a switch to turn off the passenger air bag in case a child is seated on the co-driver seat. ![]() Sadly, there's no sunglass/parking ticket holder on the ceiling unit. For this one, you need to install strap on storage on the sun-shades. Driver Door Controls These consist of standard central lock/unlock , window opening controls and ORVM adjustment ![]() Storage Plenty of storage between the large sized Glove box ![]() and the compartments in the front door cards ![]() However, bottle holders in the door cards are slanted, so be careful if your water bottle has a loose cap and water spills out! Vanity Mirror In what maybe construed as somewhat sexist design, Tata Motors, has pointedly provided a vanity mirror only on the co-driver side , minus courtesy lights. Tata Motors, if you are listening , please do better! ![]() Infotainment cluster Saving the best for the end, we finally arrive at the show-piece Infotainment cluster : cluster because it works together with your phone, your subscriptions, the car's instrument cluster, climate control, .... ![]()
![]() The PowerplantThe engine bay is a bit intimidating. I can correctly identify the HV unit (big steel box that you can see below) and, of course, the usual windshield washer fluid, 12 V battery and the fuse box. But not much else. ![]() I'm also attaching a short video. If you know more about what the different components are and how they work, I'll be very grateful to learn from your comments. What's it like to drive? |
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