[ALTIMAed]

Originally Posted by GoBabyGo

Hi, while the full details will come to MG showroom on 3rd October, 2024 regarding BaaS rental programme, my calculation is given in attached image.

The only thing I would like to understand, once the details are available with MG dealership, can a person pay full amount of the Windsor and take loan on battery only eg I can buy Essence variant by paying Rs.1199800/- and pay Rs.5250/- for the next 8 years for the battery or I will have to take loan on both battery as well as rest of the Windsor EV.

There should be an option for those who have taken loan on battery to repay the balance whenever they want to sell it.

One has the option to pay the entire amount ie shell cost (cost of the vehicle minus the battery), take only the battery on loan (rent as they say) for 8 years. One can go in for any of the financiers (Bajaj / Hero / Vidyut / Ecofy) and be at the liberty to close the loan as and when comfortable. This is nothing but the terms and conditions prevailing in case one takes a car finance.

[shubhank008]

Originally Posted by ThatsOkToo

I don't think so 50kw version of the windsor will cost any less than the current version , any trustworthy carmaker like MGwould mark up a bigger battery by 25% to 30% on current price. 38kw should suffice city heavy usage. FYI in Mumbai,i have booked essence.

There seems to be quite a weight from MG on the fact that they WILL not launch a 50KW in windor as they want it to remain mid-range (price wise) and not compete with ZS EV.
The ZS EV will not get any updated either, currently it is there to sit as a placeholder for MG's "Premium Range" or Above 20L segment till they launch their actual next Premium Car (most probably MG4), to finally replace ZS EV.

Their emphasis seems to be on keeping multiple models in different price segments to maintain a "brand value", I think the plan is similar to Tata, have a model in all price segments with no gaps.

[guptad42]

Originally Posted by shikh_oberoi

It's not a problem in the Punch but a feature- Hill hold function. Calibration is needed on your part

You have to completely stop the car for the feature to get activated. Try doing it again but it only holds the car for 2-3 seconds.

I am aware of the hill hold feature, just that the implementation can be far more refined. Right now, it feels buggy. Like a good torque converter automatic, the car should never slide backwards when it is in forward 'Drive' mode. It should be easy to implement in an EV that has ABS and ESP, which means the car can sense individual wheel's movement many times a second. The ECU just needs to be programmed to increase current to the motor/torque when there is a micro movement backwards with the car in D mode. Increase it just enough to hold the car steady or have it creep forward slowly (like it does on plain ground). That'll be far more intuitive to the driver. (Can also be done with a smartphone style accelerometer that tells the car when it is on an upward or downward slope.)

The fact that Punch.ev does not slide back in sports mode also confirms it is a car calibration or programming problem. The minimum torque/creep function in eco or city mode is not strong enough to hold the car on steeper slopes

[TwerkyC0ffee]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

I don't think Tatas have the technological capability yet of competing with this product or else they wouldn't have screwed up the Curvv so badly.

Sorry I haven’t been following the Tata Curvv very closely since its launch, what did Tata screw up with Curvv?

[Vikram9193]

The new Noise Faktory video is out with the car driving back from Agra to Gurgaon at 90-100 kmph speeds, easily quicker than the Google Maps estimate - a very rare sight in the depressingly slow and often misleading world of YouTube range test videos.

According to their calculation the car is good for about 240 km in this driving style. My rough calculation based on screen grabs at different points and assuming a useable capacity of 37 kWh, is that the car is pulling over 170 wh/km at 90-100 kmph, on an empty expressway on a windy day. This points to a range of about 220 km.

I’m even more convinced now that 60 kWh is the sweet spot for long days on Indian highways at 90-100 kmph. Using around 15-17 kWh per 100 km means an effective range of about 350-400, which brings many destinations within reach with no charging worries. Experienced EV users may scoff, but travelling with family and worrying that the charger won’t work because of a power cut or other issue will be a bit much for many of us.

However, with careful planning, if one can incorporate even one charge session of half an hour (worst case, one hour if it’s 30 kWh), the range can be extended by another 200-250 km. That should mean 550 km plus of anxiety free range, and that’s quite enough driving in a day for most families. Really long drives like Delhi-Jammu, Delhi-Lucknow, and Delhi-Almora become quite feasible.

Now for 60 kWh cars to start showing up at reasonable prices. At the current rate of progress, it won’t be very long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNPnGZfT7Bc

[mally2]

Exactly very good analysis. From my multiple 300+ km one way long trips in my Tiago EV I can safely say 55-60kwh battery will make highway driving super effortless.

[realactivex]

I visited the MG showroom to have a look at the Windsor (I own a Hector currently and am looking at replacing it with an EV, mostly the Windsor)

The car looks huge, from certain angles it appears broader than my Hector.

The space between the front windshield and the the steering wheel is huge, probably 1.5 to 2 feet!

We know that the Windsor doesn't have a start stop button and an entry with the key considers a start.

However, the driver seat has a weight sensor to ensure that kids with keys don't end up starting the car.

One thing that missed me, is the reverse knob. I didn't see it? How does the car reverse? do we need to use the touchscreen to set the direction of motion?

[msumitn]

Originally Posted by realactivex

One thing that missed me, is the reverse knob. I didn't see it? How does the car reverse? do we need to use the touchscreen to set the direction of motion?

The stick to left of steering is gear selector.

Its not integrated into touchscreen.

[santosh.s]

Originally Posted by realactivex

We know that the Windsor doesn't have a start stop button and an entry with the key considers a start.
However, the driver seat has a weight sensor to ensure that kids with keys don't end up starting the car.

Exactly my concern when I learned about lack of start stop button, thanks for this information. Just like start/stop button, it also involves brake/accelerator pedal operations in order to start the car and to move it. On a second thought, even with the button it is still a safety risk with kids. Best thing would be to never handover the key to any kids.

Originally Posted by realactivex

One thing that missed me, is the reverse knob. I didn't see it? How does the car reverse? do we need to use the touchscreen to set the direction of motion?

Refer to left side stalk in this post (MG Windsor EV Review), it does have an "R" marking.

[amit_2025]

Originally Posted by realactivex

I visited the MG showroom to have a look at the Windsor (I own a Hector currently and am looking at replacing it with an EV, mostly the Windsor)
The car looks huge, from certain angles it appears broader than my Hector.
The space between the front windshield and the the steering wheel is huge, probably 1.5 to 2 feet!
We know that the Windsor doesn't have a start stop button and an entry with the key considers a start.
However, the driver seat has a weight sensor to ensure that kids with keys don't end up starting the car.

One thing that missed me, is the reverse knob. I didn't see it? How does the car reverse? do we need to use the touchscreen to set the direction of motion?

I thought as much, took the below pictures while I visited the showroom yesterday

Also, The left stalk is the transmission mode selector. Pulling down the selector twice activates cruise control. Picture credit - Team-Bhp official review

[Formula1Fan]

You have to select reverse from the stalk behind the steering wheel, all modes are available there.

[shyampsunder]

Originally Posted by Vikram9193

I’m even more convinced now that 60 kWh is the sweet spot for long days on Indian highways at 90-100 kmph. Using around 15-17 kWh per 100 km means an effective range of about 350-400, which brings many destinations within reach with no charging worries. Experienced EV users may scoff, but travelling with family and worrying that the charger won’t work because of a power cut or other issue will be a bit much for many of us.

However, with careful planning, if one can incorporate even one charge session of half an hour (worst case, one hour if it’s 30 kWh), the range can be extended by another 200-250 km. That should mean 550 km plus of anxiety free range, and that’s quite enough driving in a day for most families. Really long drives like Delhi-Jammu, Delhi-Lucknow, and Delhi-Almora become quite feasible.

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=cNPnGZfT7Bc

After having clocked 20k+ KMs on Indian highways on the ZS EV, I agree with you that 60 kWh is the sweet spot for highway driving in India but it can be mitigated by better charging infra.

I totally agree that it's stressful to imagine what will happen due to a power cut or charger being blocked but on many highways at least in South India, there are 4 or more quality chargers to charge on after the SoC goes below 50%. Having multiple backup options greatly alleviates the anxiety and stress. It may not be super optimal but I often charge at even 70% because someone in the family is hungry.

Booking slots on chargers is also another feature that greatly helps especially while travelling through roads with sub par DC charging infra.

Routes like Bangalore - Chennai/Coimbatore, Ooty, Coorg are all possible on the Windsor with one charging stop.

[shubhank008]

Was called by MG dealership as test drive vehicle arrived today (sooner than expected which was on 2nd Oct).

I actually have had a friendly relation with one of the Sales Manager since 2 years ago went to buy ZS EV, even booked it but wife Uno Reversed it and we got Skoda Octavia from the Skoda Showroom just next to it.

But last year, went to check Comet and he was still as friendly as ever and offered to try and keep Comet for 2 days to convince us, which he did and we got a comet ev as well.

This time, showroom had the green model on display (last time they had black), wife fell in love with it on first glance. Took my mother in law as well for more conviction, both of them really liked everything about it.

Rear seat has ample space to sit 3 people comfortably (me and wife are above average sized), so she liked that part as our Octavia is kind of 2+1 child on rear, definitely not 3 comfortably.

It has been said again and again already, but let me say it anyway, the car is HUGE from inside, and its like they didn't want to create a mini-room in the car so had to add that huge dashboard and the frunk/bonet to fill the space.

Also, let me add that MG has probably been creating some really nice and VFM accessories lately, atleast since Comet launch. Love the accessory options available for Windsor.

Only 3 things we didn't like were, no light in glove box, seats felt "rigid" to my wife compared to our octavia or even the hector standing next to it and she definitely hates that black leather, wanted it in beige or lighter color and lastly, everything seems controlled by either screen or voice control. I think you can map some of the functionalities to steering controls as one of the volume-rockers on steering was controlling side ORVM, so lets see.

Unfortunately, couldn't confirm whether rear spoiler indeed has a hidden wiper as some of the users above stated.

Test drove it, liked it, booked it. I wanted to go mid variant, but wife liked greenish-blue color so booked top variant.

No discounts, but got the sales manager to agree on discounting the insurance (90k), or price-match if I bring something lower myself.

And got him to reduce payment by credit card fee from 2% to 1%, so thats decent.

Buying in company name, 0 road tax in UP. Current on-road price for me will be 16.6L, without any accessories or discounts (hoping to bring insurance down to 50-60k~)

PS: Earlier was planning to go BaaS route as it makes more sense for a company purchase (show BaaS payments as expense and get GST ITC) but after more thinking and talks with SA, it makes more sense to take the complete car as a single loan, since all 4 financial partners for BaaS are more or less NBFC and there will always be strings attached (not my words, but SA).

The EMI for full car for 7 years would still be more or less similar to BaaS + Car for me so I intend to go for the EV Loan by Union Bank, same as we did for the Comet.

P.PS: Earlier one of the SA told me Free 1 year charging for BaaS only, the Sales Manager confirmed today that its available for all buyers, there is no difference between BaaS and full purchase, he couldn't comment on the 3-60 plan being included with BaaS for free as MG has not confirmed the dealerships yet.

Actual bookings start 3rd October so probably when we will have all info, deliveries start 11 Oct and S.M. said MG has alloted 100-150 cars for each dealership (for delivery) within October itself, so there won't be any waiting or any of that BS.

[GoBabyGo]

Hi, sharing my thoughts on the driving range with home charging cost (at various per unit charges) and also highway (or city) public charging cost (at various per KW cost) for general awareness.

The attached sheet also captured estimate of Petrol AT SUV per km cost and also Hybrid SUV per km cost for comparison purpose.

The EV driving range may not be 100% accurate, however, this is the closest of the reported range by various range test drive reports (actual product yet to be delivered to public).

[antz.bin]

Review of the Windsor in terms of practicality as a family car by BHPian @bunnypunia

https://youtu.be/zJ3emEx7XOc?si=-lhs0O1zg0zSYCB8

As an urban mobility vehicle and a vehicle for short weekend trips, the practicality is unmatched. Do note during the early part of the video, Bunny loads the boot with luggage, but the boot floor is at its higher position. The boot floor can be lowered to make even more space available.

During the video, there are 4 passengers are in the car and are using the rear armrest. The middle 3-point seatbelt seems to be unbuckled. Bunny mentions the seat belt reminder but no mention of the weight sensor (which is the favourite cost cutting items these days across the sub 20 lakh segments). But it seems to be present on the Windsor. Another win?