[Venkatesh]

Windsor EV bookings open now.





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[realactivex]

What is the general sense of waiting period?
And would some one be kind enough to share a PDI checklist for EV cars?

[guptad42]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

fingers crossed on 50KW, but most probably thats not gonna happen as there is no word about it.
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MG dealerships themselves speaking, MG do not want windsor to eat or overlap ZS EV, for MG ZS EV is still their "current" premium car.
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So ZS EV is currently acting as a placeholder car for the premium segment till they bring in MG4 or whatever upper versions to retire it (if they do). Given MG never ever launched LR version of ZS EV either since so many years, I have a gut feeling MG wants to keep their variant lineup quite straightforward without much overlaps.

I agree, but this still leave a big risk open. The market does not stand still. For example, new BYD models are coming and their current base version is already 60KWH in the Atto3.

The new base for long-distance EVs or EV SUVs is about 55-60KWH in India. MG will not ignore that. The ZS EV / or the new premium MG EV will certainly go higher up/ more premium. It's likely to get min 60KWH battery. (By the way, MG Europe has recently said the 2025 MG4 will have a solid-state battery with double the energy density. They can choose to do something like 50% more range and save some weight and cost.)

That leaves MG with a big gap between the 38KWH Windsor and the 60+ KWH ZSEV/other new premium EV. Whichever route MG take, it is unlikely to take more than 6-9 months as Mr Jindal has already spoken repeatedly about launching a whole slate of models very quickly. MG JSW has also announced a plan for a separate brand of dealerships for premium cars, like Suzuki has Nexa.

What do you think MG will do after the new ZS EV launches with 60 or more KWH? It will have pricing room to do a Windsor 50! I think that's part of the reason for aggressive pricing for Windsor 38. It leaves room in the 16-20L bracket for the Windsor 50. MG may not do an Excite version of Windsor 50, to create a higher starting point, and add features like adaptive cruise and AEB to take it higher by another 50K to 1Lac.

If this thinking is right, we may have a Windsor 50 within an year. and that is not good news for Windsor38 buyers today. If you don't really need an EV urgently, it might make a lot of sense to wait and watch.

[nimbus1]

My take on the BAAS and normal pricing is that everyone is assuming that most folks will take MPV shell on EMI and battery as BAAS, which is again EMI+EMI. But think of those who can only spend up to 10 L or 12L and don't want to take loan or are not eligible for loan, they can now buy the shell with the amount that they can afford and pay for BAAS, which they can take as running charges.

Any petrol vehicle will definitely have fuel cost north of 10K and with no hefty EMIs to pay you are still saving money. For folks who want to go all out on EMI, no need for BAAS as you will still be saving more.

What MG has cleverly done is place the product as a low hanging fruit which you can pluck, just a bit of jump is required, and it is not a cost cut product.

[narayans80]

Originally Posted by nimbus1

But think of those who can only spend up to 10 L or 12L and don't want to take loan or are not eligible for loan, they can now buy the shell with the amount that they can afford and pay for BAAS, which they can take as running charges.

End of day, BaaS is another loan. And your CIBIL plays a role on which finance option you are eligible.

I am unable to make sense of BaaS for individual ownership, primarily because of trust issues. 8 years and beyond is too long a period for T&C to remain constant.

[ngoenka]

Originally Posted by realactivex

What is the general sense of waiting period?
And would some one be kind enough to share a PDI checklist for EV cars?

+1

I'm quite keen to purchase the middle variant outright without any BaaS bull** but still waiting for a test drive.

The main requirement is a comfortable & spacious city car vs other options in the company SUV segment. The lower running costs are a bonus! The other car is Jeep Compass which I love and would prefer for a roadtrip vs trying to optimize on EV savings every time

I think this is a great option for even those who will probably do ~750kms a month. This whole conversation of 1500kms a month in BaaS is irrelevant for many people.

The Blr dealers are saying that they've got ~1K bookings so far and historically get 250-300 cars Blr wide in the first delivery of new cars. However, they're in the dark on many details and feel that HQ should've released more info proactively throughout this whole launch.

[ferrarirules]

MG Windsor logs 15176 bookings in 24 hours of opening of booking

The bookings are almost 3 times the current monthly EV sales.

Source - Economic Times

[nimbus1]

Originally Posted by narayans80

End of day, BaaS is another loan. And your CIBIL plays a role on which finance option you are eligible.

I am unable to make sense of BaaS for individual ownership, primarily because of trust issues. 8 years and beyond is too long a period for T&C to remain constant.

For individuals with low CIBIL they have an option and trust me these micro financing brands can stoop to any extent to give you a loan. Fair business will not bring customers in a country like ours. Even with 400 CIBIL score you are eligible for a loan from Bajaj.

Also CIBIL is not the only criteria when these financers evaluate you for loan.

[rkv_hunter]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

MG Windsor logs 15176 bookings in 24 hours of opening of booking

The bookings are almost 3 times the current monthly EV sales.

Indian market has been lacking this, a good value for money EV which can be reliable.

While we talk about decline in EU and US etc, our market is quite decoupled and dynamics are different with the tax structures on ICE and EV. Our structures are much more favourable for EVs to grow and consumers love cars with low running costs.

What we lack as a market are more options in EV space, with handful of EVs in sub 20 lac category.

In addition what we lack is pure EV platforms where the customer gets better value in terms of space and utility and there is no ICE anchor for price comparison. While Tata claims the Punch/Curvv platform is independent of Punch/Curvv ICE, there was no reason to not make it as a different car and more efficient and larger in space.

Looking at the pipeline of EVs, Creta, EVx, Harrier, Sierra,BE 05/09, XUV EV and the BYDs, we can have 2025 as a big EV sales year for our market.

[deb_majumdar]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

MG Windsor logs 15176 bookings in 24 hours of opening of booking

The bookings are almost 3 times the current monthly EV sales.

Source - Economic Times

I booked with the dealer a couple of days earlier and got a confirmation of the booking yesterday morning.

This evening I took a short test drive. There was a lot of rush, they were trying to merge two customers at a time whenever possible. Due to the Durga Puja in Kolkata, the roads were very busy, so I could only get a feel of the car in bumper to bumper traffic. Found nothing to complain. The screen didn't seem laggy. The auto headlamp feature should eliminate the need of using the screen much for turning the headlights on and off.

The sales person mentioned the same (number of booking already crossed fifteen thousand) and mentioned that MG is going to offer the introductory price only to the first ten thousand customers. I didn't see this in any review. I think he was just trying to make me feel privileged.

I have booked the mid-variant, black. The reasons are:

• The mid-variant offers almost all the useful features except the ventilated seats.

• At this point I don't feel the need of a fast charger.

• The moon roof can't be opened and it can only make the car hotter during the summer.

I liked the black colour anyway, so the decision was simple.

[amit_2025]

I am elated to see MG getting the number of bookings they did. It's a competent product, well thought out, not pretending to be a SUV unlike a lot pseudo SUV's out there and extremely well priced. It makes some ICE products in the segment look overpriced

As excited as I am about adding it to the garage, decided to wait it out and not rush into a booking.

Reasons as mentioned earlier in the thread, the possibility of a 50KWH battery version and the Delhi EV subsidy. I'm suspecting we should have answers for both in a few weeks.

[realactivex]

Does anyone have a proforma T&C document of the loan fine-print? Both for the BaaS as well as the combined mix?

At a first glance, I see outside loans at over 9%.
So if these Mg financiers are giving a loan at 9% that might be a good positive.

However I don't want to rely on the sales guy's pitch to decide how to structure my loan, or whether I should take a loan in the first place?
I have requested MG to provide me one dummy agreement across these financiers. Awaiting their revert.

Also, I might visit the MG showroom tomorrow. If anyone has a specific question to ask them, Please do let me know.

[-xplora-]

These are exciting times for EVs in India.

EV pricing has been tapered, range anxiety is being sorted by LR batteries and charging infrastructure and overall push by Indian automakers for mainstream use helps.

I was waiting for the Curvv EV since a while, when it launched it looked like a pretty good EV package especially in the red.

- Looks great from the back and proportionate
- Range is excellent
- Pricing is spot on


So heart said go ahead with the booking, brain said wait a bit for MG.

Windsor EV launches, though quirky front, it solves every other issue that Curvv EV has and in a much better fashion. As I am looking for a purely city car with less than 20km drive per day, 38K battery is not at all a deal breaker for me. Windsor scores over the Curvv:

- Way better fit and finish
- Oodles of interior space compared to the Curvv
- Non-opening and huge glass roof, this should be standard in India for all cars for safety reasons, sun-roofs being used for kids to hang out is just too dangerous.
- Bottles holders, I mean Tata Curvv, really ? Its a daily utility item, sore miss.
- Price difference between the top end Windsor EV and top end Curvv EV is roughly 4lacs. Almost 22%.
- Ingress and Egress is way better than the Curvv
- Huge boot space

So the heart and mind said go ahead with the booking amount, was tied up in some work past 10 days so could not do it, and now the brain is saying wait for BE-05.

This thing concept / camouflaged looks super.

- If Mahindra manages the right price point
- Reasonable range (350km real world is more than enough for my use case)
- Solves jarring misses by the curvv like bottle holders

Then they have a sure winner at hand. Till then my heart vs brain cat and mouse game is continues, hope there is no other tempting EV launch in Feb to add more fuel to the fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e36Iw-qCEnA

[shubhank008]

Soooo I called MG Delhi today to see if they had any T&C or more details about BaaS (Bajaj) which apparently they didn't, but they connected me to their finance manager and both of them strictly advised me against BaaS saying the "finance partners" or not providing any answers to their specific queries or customer queries and so far "Bajaj" has confirmed them that the BaaS loan will ONLY BE for 3 years max, after which, you need to pay all the remaining amount for the battery at once, regardless and independent of the car and its loan.

I was very excited for BaaS when it was announced, but with each passing day and new info coming up (unverified cause no one knows for a damn on paper), all this BaaS seems to be just a marketing stunt to say the car "starts at 9.99".

Did anyone get any update or new info about BaaS post October 2 ?

[narayans80]

For those who have booked, what is your promised delivery date?