[electric_eel]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

These look like a bummer. Aren't these Chinese guys supposed to be the No.1 in the world? I haven't seen any such restrictions on Tesla or am I missing something?

I think they are covering (legally i.e) their base from possible lawsuits particularly in First world countries. It probably is difficult to explain to a judge the intricacies of the LFP chemistry. Simple is to just say charge till 100% otherwise something bad will happen.

In the words of Sir Humphry (Yes Prime minister) "It much easier to just press the button" than analyzing the details of a nuclear war with Russia.

[vijay3349]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

I booked the vehicle on the 4th of October in Pune. Teal Green, Top end variant. Still no sign of delivery date from the showroom. Is anyone in the same boat as me? Any idea how to expedite the process?

I am in exactly the same boat. I booked on 3rd October, same colour top variant. I have also made full payment. Still no clue about delivery! The only option seems to be to escalate to MG. But honestly, i do not see much help coming from there as well, other than some calls from here and there. The dealerships have way too much influence on the company rather than one or two complaining customers. It has really been an extremely bad experience dealing with MG dealership - my first time. Experience with Maruti and Hyundai dealers has been way better!

[drhk10]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

I booked the vehicle on the 4th of October in Pune. Teal Green, Top end variant. Still no sign of delivery date from the showroom. Is anyone in the same boat as me? Any idea how to expedite the process?

I think you can have a word with SA and discuss possibilities. Car allotment doesn’t appear to be straightforward process. MG is allocating a few cars to dealers and they give it to whoever is paying full amount from their priority list (from those already booked). There will always be some cancellation or color change/ variant changes happening. So have a close contact with your SA.
My original allotment was shown as first week January in the My MG app, however I’m getting this car because someone else cancelled and I paid the full amount as soon as it became available.

[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by drhk10

MG is allocating a few cars to dealers and they give it to whoever is paying full amount from their priority list (from those already booked).

I have also told them i am ready to pay the full amount via rtgs on the day of pdi. They have acknowledged also but keep saying the company is not sending cars.

I have also been told that if anyone cancels I will be given a vehicle.

[Jazzybala]

Originally Posted by i74js

Download Spin EV App, this is the app for the charger supplied along with the car. It connects to your charger over Bluetooth. You will get multiple options to play with your charger including when to charge, how much to charge and how many units of energy consumed in a charge etc. You also don’t need RFID to start and stop charging, the same can be controlled through the app.

Have fun!

Is there a similar app for Tata's bundled AC fast charger? Would love to control the rate based on my requirements.

[AKconnect]

Here is my short ownership experience with the MG so far.
- Model: Essence, Turquoise green
- Booking date: some time in Sept
- Delivery date - 6/11 evening (looks like green colour was not there for long)
- Kms done - 900
- Real Range - Last two cycles of 220+ KM with approximate 30%-32% SOC remaining (started at 100%), which translate into range of around 305KM - 315KM. Driven in Eco/Eco+ with heavy regen (works well for me). When driven in Normal, range was not too different - around 290-300KM. I am positively surprised by range.

What I liked - SPACE , value at this price, good number of modern features, approach lock feature, fact that you are able to track charging using ISmart.

What could have been better - Yes, ride quality in very rough roads is a bit stiff (I have seen that in some German cars as well). I adapted to the same by going slow in pat-holes and it’s about getting used to I guess.

Other aspects
- I did not find external noise creeping in too much. NVH for the price of car is good in my view.
- I am using the customisable steering button for modes and it helps
- A few people mentioned about concerns around OVRM setting. I am using the left steering controls for the same rather than screen and I am used to it now.

Overall, quite satisfied with the purchase and looking forward to share experience after a month or two.

BTW, I already have charged installed at home as this is our second EV.

[aniketsharma986]

Did a test drive of windsor yesterday.
Great vehicle overall.
There was a noise coming while driving - I turned off the ac but it was still there, then I turned off the seat ventilation and the noise was gone. So the seat fan has some noise.

TD vehicle had some problem with the ambient lights not working. The SRM of the showroom said that it is due to a new software update ( which improved the lagginess of touchscreen - acc to him) and it will be removed in the future update. He said a new update is under development to clear bugs and might take 6-7 months to launch.

One more thing he told me about the battery that MG is providing lifetime warranty of the battery for only faults and mechanical issues not of the usage and battery percentage degradation. He said if car used rashly, the battery percentage will degrade faster and he gave an example of 1-2% drop every 50,000kms. And so it will give lesser range over the years and he also mentioned that it will consume the same units to charge but will give less range - just like the iphone battery percentage.
I asked him what if I drove 2lakhs kms and then if I had to seel it? He said that then you will have to buy the new battery (3.5lakhs) to get the proper range but this will not fall under warrAnty.
About the air purifier - he mentioned that it will work even when the outside air is allowed through ac.

Few accessories I am considering-
1. Front parking sensors - as the whole front is fiber and looks very delicate.
2. Spare tyre kit (SRM told me it will cost 23k and we have an option to go for 18inch or 17inch and also with alloy or steel rim) ( He also mentioned that tyre puncture kit wont work with big cuts or holes)
3. I asked him for the front bumper to which he said is illegal and can’t be provided by company.

[BrokenHW]

MG Windsor EV Beats Tata Nexon EV – Becomes No 1 Electric Car Of India

Source : Rushlane

https://www.rushlane.com/mg-windsor-...-12511058.html

[souvikjana83]

Originally Posted by BrokenHW

MG Windsor EV Beats Tata Nexon EV – Becomes No 1 Electric Car Of India

Source : Rushlane

https://www.rushlane.com/mg-windsor-...-12511058.html

The charging infrastructure needs to keep pace with growth of EVs. Especially on highways and expressways. People buying EVs and going on long trips wouldn't want to wait in line for the previous vehicle to finish charging and then put their vehicle for charging. India would need a Tesla Superchargers type infrastructure as soon as possible.

It's a great business opportunity for a lot of companies and startups. MG and Tata should come into this business of creating Superchargers infrastructure on highways where there will be multiple Superchargers at one place along with cafes and food joints. It's a huge opportunity in the making.

[shubhank008]

Originally Posted by souvikjana83

The charging infrastructure needs to keep pace with growth of EVs. Especially on highways and expressways. People buying EVs and going on long trips wouldn't want to wait in line for the previous vehicle to finish charging and then put their vehicle for charging. India would need a Tesla Superchargers type infrastructure as soon as possible.

It's a great business opportunity for a lot of companies and startups. MG and Tata should come into this business of creating Superchargers infrastructure on highways where there will be multiple Superchargers at one place along with cafes and food joints. It's a huge opportunity in the making.

Ironically there is no shortage of chargers within city limits or even on old State Highway roads, but on actual expressways and newer highways, there is a serious lack of chargers, as much as you would need to exit the expressway to enter a nearby city to charge.

Even the nearby Delhi to Jaipur trip on the newer expressway doesn't have enough chargers compared to the old Gurgaon-Jaipur route.
Similarly Delhi to Jabalpur/Nagpur via NH44 is short of ample of chargers.

On both routes, if even 1 of the chargers fail or doesn't work, you are stuck in middle of nowhere.

Although, no surprise there considering already lack of any stopovers, toilets or good restaurants on the above said routes.

The Delhi-Jabalpur-Nagpur highway is really well made (although last time last 200KMs were patchy and broken road).
But after Agra, only decent restaurant/hotel/washroom you will find will be in Jhansi.....
And all these shortcomings after paying Rs. 2/KM toll

Now compare that to the Delhi-Amritsar route, there are god damn McD, Burger King, Starbucks, Haveli and tons of stopovers every 50-100 KMs.
That's one route that actually feels like what a roadtrip route should be like.

[souvikjana83]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

Ironically there is no shortage of chargers within city limits or even on old State Highway roads, but on actual expressways and newer highways, there is a serious lack of chargers, as much as you would need to exit the expressway to enter a nearby city to charge.

It comes down to number of people using the highways on regular basis. The reason why Delhi Chandigarh Highway has so many food outlets and charging stations is because of the sheer number of cars which travel between Delhi NCR and Punjab / Harayana / Himachal Pradesh.

But if one see the number of people travelling to Agra / Gwalior / Lucknow or towards Jaipur from Delhi NCR, the number is very very less comparatively.

The return on investment of setting up a commercial entity near a highway is very much significant to the number of people using the highway on daily basis.

But I will also say if charging infrastructure improves especially like bunch of Superchargers come up on highways and expressways, more people would start travelling by roads on regular basis. The driving cost would be far cheaper than the dynamic fare of a 3AC train ticket from say Delhi to Hyderabad Rajdhani or Bangalore to Kolkata Duronto.

[Ashwathama]

Just saw this on the official website of mg windsor. It scrolls at the bottom of the page

[kgt.v8]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

Delhi to Jabalpur/Nagpur via NH44 is short of ample of chargers.

On both routes, if even 1 of the chargers fail or doesn't work, you are stuck in middle of nowhere.

I use NH44 to travel from Hyderabad - Nagpur - Jabalpur - Rewa. I was on the verge of buying an EV in March this year. I looked at couple of EV trip planner apps as well as Statiq app to see how many chargers are available within 250 km range. I found out that NH44 route mentioned above has very few chargers. Some of them are out of route which means I have to go inside city to charge the car. Some are Tata chargers near Tata service centers, so it is highly possible service center has some Tata car hooked in to charge or they deny charging car from another brand like MG or Mahindra.

My family did not feel comfortable buying an EV only due to lack of charging infrastructure. Eventually I could not convince them as the risk of getting stranded seemed higher for current generation of EVs available that have safe driving range of 250km - 300km. I may go and look at MG Windsor again as the Windsor is VFM EV offering, but the availability of chargers has not improved much in past 6 months.

[shubhank008]

Originally Posted by kgt.v8

I use NH44 to travel from Hyderabad - Nagpur - Jabalpur - Rewa. I was on the verge of buying an EV in March this year. I looked at couple of EV trip planner apps as well as Statiq app to see how many chargers are available within 250 km range. I found out that NH44 route mentioned above has very few chargers. Some of them are out of route which means I have to go inside city to charge the car. Some are Tata chargers near Tata service centers, so it is highly possible service center has some Tata car hooked in to charge or they deny charging car from another brand like MG or Mahindra.

My family did not feel comfortable buying an EV only due to lack of charging infrastructure. Eventually I could not convince them as the risk of getting stranded seemed higher for current generation of EVs available that have safe driving range of 250km - 300km. I may go and look at MG Windsor again as the Windsor is VFM EV offering, but the availability of chargers has not improved much in past 6 months.

The chargers on that route has been pretty much the same since last 2 years, no new changes. For the NH44 route you either need to consider charging by stopping at some hotel (3KW charger overnight) or need a EV with 300-350KM safe range.

Currently only ZS or the BYDs come within that range, perhaps Curvv too but yeah thats expecting none of the existing chargers fail on you.

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This is what my Delhi to Hyderabad via Gotegaon (near Jabalpur, my wife's home) looks like, with a safe range considered of 220KM, as you can see, if even one of these chargers don't work, I will be ******
https://maps.app.goo.gl/sVFku91mLMn1grVa6

[deb_majumdar]

I am facing a sort of parasitic battery drain for the last one week. I have discussed the issue with a few other new Windsor owners, and it's time to share it with the larger community.

Since last Sunday morning, I noticed that the car is losing about 1% charge per three hours when parked. It did not happen during the first 10-12 days; I had the car unused for more than 24 hours without losing any percentage then.

If I remember correctly, a battery discharge warning started coming up sporadically before last Saturday (but I am not sure). Since I have noticed this issue, that warning shows up every time I open the driver's door after the car has been off for a while. I have tried various combinations; used the 'P' button on the gear stick / used the manual switch off button below the steering, ultimately the same result and approximately the same amount of HV battery drain (4% in 12 hours).



Scanning the vehicle using the iSmart app, I have observed the following about the LV battery voltage.

After the car is driven for sometime, the voltage is 12.6-13V. After parking the car, the voltage drops for some time. I have seen it drop till 12.1V. But after that, it becomes 14.4V and remains so as long as the car is parked. I read up a bit and figured that the voltage should show 14.4V when the LV battery is actively charging. [ Note: during the first few days, the battery used to show 12.6V, not 14.4V. ]

This means, something remains on in the car, the LV battery runs it. When it drains itself, the HV battery charges it. Some EV cars have this feature (Windsor does) -- which is a good thing, otherwise every night I would have ended up with drained LV battery.

Another curious thing -- not sure if it's related. When I scan the app, it shows "park brake: on". I remember seeing "park brake: off" during the first few days. I was worried the first time I noticed it and went downstairs to check whether I have put the car in P mode. Strangely, it showed "off" when everything was okay. For other fellow BHPians too, it shows "off". I cannot remember very well, but ever since I have noticed the battery drain issue, I also see the park brake showing "on".



As I went to get my number plates yesterday, I met the "EV expert" of the service centre. He did not want to acknowledge that it is even a problem, he said it is normal. He showed some document pertaining to Comet, the document says a drop of 2% per 8 hours is acceptable due to the HV battery charging the LV battery whenever needed. I had a kind of argument with him, I explained that 1% in 3 hours of Windsor means a lot more charge than 1% in 4 hours in Comet. Besides, this was not happening for me initially and none of the other owners are having this issue. He said he can work on it only if I keep the car with them. I really need the car next week, so I will probably get the 1000km service done mid next week, but let them have the car for solving this problem from 25th of November onwards.

The calculation shows that 1% charge loss per 3 hours of a 38kWh battery means something(s) are consuming about 127 Watts continuously.

I would be curious to know if anyone else has faced a similar problem yet.