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Old 9th December 2024, 22:50   #721
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Anyone has gotten PPF or Ceramic done to their windsor ?
Have T.Green and was considering it but PPF seems quite expensive (50-70k) and although I personally like Ceramic coating (15k-25k for 1 or 3 years), it wouldn't fullfill the purpose to protect the car from scratches, maybe dust scratches but thats it.
Just buy 9H ceramic coating from amazon for ~500 bucks, See some youtube videos on how to apply and do it yourself, or take spray ceramic which is double the cost (~1100) but easy to apply. Results are almost same as detailing shops. It lasts 3-4 months.

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For Windsor, I am unable to see energy consumption / efficiency wh/km or km/wh which is usually discussed in other EV threads.
It is not available in windsor ev.

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They suggested that since I require 100meters of cabling from meter to parking. It would be too costly for me to get installation done by them. Instead I may go ahead and get the cabling done by my local electrician only. On probing further he suggested that minimum cost for 4 cu mm 3 core cable would be 400-500/meters. I showed him that 4 cu mm 3 core cable be popular brands is available for Rs 130-150/meter in local market and even many of my friends have got cabling done MG only and they were charged Rs 200/meter for 4 cu mm cable.
They clearly told me that if battery issue comes due to charging and its not done from authorised MG person then warranty claim might get rejected. I asked MG person to do the installation and provided option to bring required specification wire from myself, this approach was rejected straight away. Wire has to be taken from them. They charged me Rs.325/meter for 2.5sq mm wire. First 10meters were free.

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I have not felt this jerk while releasing with the accelerator. Zero actuator noise on my car. It's very easy to use at traffic light stops. Don't have to hold onto the brake pedal for 110 or 80 seconds.
I tried this today in traffic on signal, yes actuators are not audible due to noise, and auto hold can be used for long wait times. I had tried this at very silent place in my society, where I could hear actuators pressing and releasing the breaks.

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So B.U. Bhandari Wakad just told me that they aren't allowing third-party insurance, and their insurance is a whopping 96K. Now apart from the price I don't have a problem with their insurance if I can get it at a lower price around 50-60k. Anyway, can you kindly share your battle experience in detail with us. Who all you mailed and how much time it took for you to win?
I played BE 6e card. They might have thought of encashing one more fleeing customer, but now windsor is still in heavy demand so they might not allow self insurance as ton of people are ready to shell out more money.

My advice would be to wait for 50kwh windsor. That will also resolve suspension issue and I think they have not calibrated springs for 38kw and used the same one's from 50kwh. Ride is bad by the way in the city if road is not smooth, to the extent that it feels uncomfortable. I ordered memory foam back support as sofa cushions are causing back pain at touching points.

Today I drove 42km in heavy traffic which reduced battery from 75% to 45%. It was driven in normal mode and light regen, with headlights ON and AC ON. This equates to roughly 150km range. This car is joy to drive in normal mode, but feels sluggish in eco mode. So if one wants to get descent range in joyful normal mode, he must have a bigger battery.

Waiting for few months will atleast give you insurance at lower costs even if they do not introduce 50kwh variant.
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Old 10th December 2024, 01:15   #722
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So in response to the mail, the ICICI Lombard people called me and told me if I want to get a NCB to use it on a new car and avail insurance discount, I will have to sell the old car and send them either a sale letter or a transferred RC copy or some form 29 and 30. Without that they won't give me the NCB.
In Delhi-NCR Petrol cars cannot be registered beyond 15 years. That could be a reason they didn't bother much about the sale part. The said car was part of an exchange deal with Fronx which they confirmed that it will be scrapped post March 2025.
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Old 10th December 2024, 11:44   #723
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https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=lOtCUlqX5W8&t=716s

Can anyone kindly help me out and summarize this review for me?
issues he faced:
• Position of the charging port. He claims since it's on the side it's tough for the charging gun to reach in some of the public chargers. He wish it was in the front center like the Punch EV or Curvv EVs.

• Left side rearview mirror's camera stopped working. In the 360 degree view, left side just had a green colour instead of the visual (08:16 in the video). It automatically became ok and started working after 3-4 days. Even though he mentioned about it during the first service SC folks couldn't find out any problems. So he don't know if it's a software bug or some wiring issue.

• On the initial days his AC used to automatically get switched off. This too became ok automatically and never happened again. SC folks again couldn't figure out what the problem was.

• Functions in iSmart app doesn't always work. SC folks told him "it's a server issue, we are fixing it". But he still is facing problems with it randomly. Not all functions work always.

• The phone doesn't connect automatically via bluetooth. He has to always manually connect.

• He really wished it had a spare wheel.

• He really wish it had an efficiency meter instead of the power graph.

• Regen cannot be completely switched off.

• Some of the functions are too screen dependent. He wish it had more hardware buttons.

• If you are inside android Auto, you have to go back to see 360 degree cam when needed. Both android Auto navigation and 360 degree cam can't be shown at the screen same time. He wish MG provide some solution through software updates.

• His friend had an issue of screen freezing but the car still worked.

• AI assistant unecessarily randomly saying "i'm listening" is annoying.

• Even though he and his freinds faced all or most of these problems, all of their vehicles were in running conditiion and were never stranded on roads.

Pros:
• Overall he feels the vehicles is VFM compared to the competitors even though it's not 100% perfect.
• Even though his car is a mid variant, he is really happy with the features and comfort and space of the car.
• He has travelled with 6 adults and 1 kid for a short trip and that too was really comfy.
• He goes to work everyday with 4 of his colleagues. With 5 people, in normal mode there is still 20% charge remaining after 4-5 days.
• If you try you can get 320+ kms in single charge if you drive carefully.



Battery Warranty Concerns:

• He feels Lifetime warranty of battery terms & conditions have a lot of grey areas. Even though company claims natural degredation is not covered, company is not saying what is the rate of natural degradation.

• Battery replacement/repair discretion is given to dealerships instead of brand taking care of it. He wonder why and how that's going to play out in the future.

• There are few mandatory terms: After DC fast charging 4 times, the next should be AC charging till 100%. Tomorrow if someone faces some problems, What if the company claims you didn't follow that 4-5 years ago?
So one should keep this in mind and follow this strictly.

Provided there is no complaint in the vehicle you have, he feels he has more freedom in an EV compared to his old ICE vehicle(Honda Jazz). He is stress free compared to his previous ICE vehicle's fuel costs. Presently that is his mental state, he don't know what the future state will be.

The End.
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Old 10th December 2024, 12:07   #724
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Reducing tyre pressure from 36psi to 30psi is helping out a bit, however I can notice steering getting slightly harder than how it was initially and even I can feel slight sluggishness while driving in normal mode. Ride quality is comparitively better now. Need to see how much it affects on battery range.
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Old 10th December 2024, 16:09   #725
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issues he faced:

• Left side rearview mirror's camera stopped working. In the 360 degree view, left side just had a green colour instead of the visual (08:16 in the video).

• On the initial days his AC used to automatically get switched off. This too became ok automatically and never happened again.

• His friend had an issue of screen freezing but the car still worked.
Thanks a lot for this detailed post. These are actually a bummer. Anyone else faced this?

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• If you are inside android Auto, you have to go back to see 360 degree cam when needed. Both android Auto navigation and 360 degree cam can't be shown at the screen same time.
Is this the same with Carplay? Also, I am not sure but on the left side of steering wheel, the lower D-Pad button can be customised to show the 360 degree camera. So whenever one needs to use the 360 cam while Android Auto is on they can simply press D-Pad down.

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Battery Warranty Concerns:

• He feels Lifetime warranty of battery terms & conditions have a lot of grey areas. Even though company claims natural degredation is not covered, company is not saying what is the rate of natural degradation.
I have tried a lot to ask this but I think in a year around 4-5% is the natural degradation.

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• Battery replacement/repair discretion is given to dealerships instead of brand taking care of it. He wonder why and how that's going to play out in the future.
Ahh, so basically some dealerships are going to cause problems if you don't have a good relationship with them.

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He feels he has more freedom in an EV compared to his old ICE vehicle(Honda Jazz). He is stress-free compared to his previous ICE vehicle's fuel costs.
I shifted from an ICE scooter to an EV. Even in cars, test driving the Windsor made me feel more relaxed than my old ice car. To be honest, EV's combined with automatic transmission has really made driving very easy. All the features like, 360 camera, sensors, rear parking cam, guidelines while turning or parking, regen stopping the car, autohold, Electronic parking brake, anti skid or Electronic stability control, Seeing google maps while driving, Geo location, Car not locking itself when key is left inside the car and so much more has just made the whole experience of owning and driving a car very relaxing. As I wait for my Windsor and drive my age old car, I really see the battle I have to go through.

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In Delhi-NCR Petrol cars cannot be registered beyond 15 years. That could be a reason they didn't bother much about the sale part. The said car was part of an exchange deal with Fronx which they confirmed that it will be scrapped post March 2025.
So what I learned is to get a NCB certificate you need to sell the vehicle and show them proof of sale. You can even transfer the RC to your family member's name and show it as a sale to get NCB but the you have to buy new insurance in family members name for old car.

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I played BE 6e card. They might have thought of encashing one more fleeing customer, but now windsor is still in heavy demand so they might not allow self insurance as ton of people are ready to shell out more money.
Let's see. I'll try and talk it out with them.
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Old 10th December 2024, 16:20   #726
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So what I learned is to get a NCB certificate you need to sell the vehicle and show them proof of sale. You can even transfer the RC to your family member's name and show it as a sale to get NCB but the you have to buy new insurance in family members name for old car.

That is what I did. I transferred the vehicle to my wife. In fact, I requested for an NCB certificate almost 10 months after the sale.
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I think in a year around 4-5% is the natural degradation.
Not really, more like 2%, 3 if its being driven and charged erratically at DC fast chargers a lot. But for most personal use cases, 2% a year is reasonable. Anything beyond that is a cause for concern.
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Not really, more like 2%, 3 if its being driven and charged erratically at DC fast chargers a lot. But for most personal use cases, 2% a year is reasonable. Anything beyond that is a cause for concern.
The car is for my parents and they won't be driving more than 20 to 30 thousand kms in a lifetime (8-10 years) so I think this won't be a major concern for me.
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The car is for my parents and they won't be driving more than 20 to 30 thousand kms in a lifetime (8-10 years) so I think this won't be a major concern for me.
I'm planning to get this car for my parents as well due to the spacious rear seats. Did your parents express any discomfort around the suspension in the rear?
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issues he faced:
• Position of the charging port.
My experience
  • Position of charging port : Hasnt been an issue so far.
  • No issues with 360 degree camera.
  • No issue with AC.
  • iSmart has functioned well so far.
  • CarPlay connects automatically. Very rarely i have had to manually select the device.
  • Once i tried to disconnect the CarPlay and only connect bluetooth. That wasn't smooth. I gave up.
  • I too wish we got spare wheel and WH/KM efficiency meter.
  • Regen gets completely switched off if we turn off the ECS. But u cant turn on and off on the go since its on the screen. And may not be advisable to turn off ECS on highways.
  • easy way to turn on 360 camera is to turn on the indicator at low speeds. Havnt tried the voice command. Will try and update.
  • Voice command turns on if we inadvertantly press the button on the steering on left side. Otherwise it hasnt been an issue.
    Long press of the voice button activates Siri.
  • Screen has never frozen. May be because temperatures have been cooler.

Cons that i noticed:
  • A physical stalk or paddle shifter should have been given for Regen modes. Can a software update be given so that the customizable button on steering wheel can be set to change regen mode?
  • The drive mode and Regen should have had memory function. It resets everytime we start the car.
  • Physical start/stop button for music being played via Carplay. The customizable button cant serve every purpose (Mute/SRC/Drive mode/AC/Vehicle setting/360). Alteast the music should turn Off when door is opened. it keeps playing till u move some distance and the car gets locked.
  • So many ways to control AC (physical button/steering wheel/Voice command/screen control) but no shortcut to turn on Seat ventillation.
  • High Beam - Is it any use on highways? i find no difference. Can only be used to flash thats all. Doesn't improve visibility.
  • Rear suspension could have been softer.
  • With size and comfort of the vehicle wish it came with bigger battery pack.
  • There should have been some sensor to lock unlock. The autolock feature has its negatives. Twice the tailgate hadnt been properly closed and I didnt realise the car hadnt locked till i came back. (My Ecosport has a cool touch based sensor to lock unlock - Grabbing the handle unlocks and tapping the handle locks the car.)
  • With passenger inside if i stop car, step out of the car to quickly get something and car gets locked then when the passenger opens the door the alarm goes off. Good thing is the car can be unlocked from inside even when it is locked. But the alarm should have been set to recognize when unlocked by passenger from inside. I have even tried locking the car with iSmart app while sitting inside and got the alarm triggered although the key was also inside the car.
  • Fast charger should have been optional like in Tata. I am stuck with one now since i am not able to install in my apartment. 10m of cable is too less. For ZS Ev they provide 50m cable free.

1900km done so far. Range is hovering around the 250km mark.
Have been very happy with the car inspite of the cons mentioned above.

And congratulations to all who have got the Delivery.
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I'm planning to get this car for my parents as well due to the spacious rear seats. Did your parents express any discomfort around the suspension in the rear?
So I haven't received the car yet but we did multiple long test drives and none them complained regarding the suspension.

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Can a software update be given so that the customizable button on steering wheel can be set to change regen mode?
Yes they can do this but not sure if they will. It's just like adding an option.

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The drive mode and Regen should have had memory function. It resets everytime we start the car.
I also feel the same regarding this. I like driving on eco/normal with max regen.

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1900km done so far. Range is hovering around the 250km mark.
Have been very happy with the car inspite of the cons mentioned above.
What mode and regen do you drive on?
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I also feel the same regarding this. I like driving on eco/normal with max regen. What mode and regen do you drive on?
Either eco+ or normal mode with heavy regen. But slowly realising in a 2nd tier city like Mysore, using light regen is better. Can coast from one signal to another. I am trying my best not to focus on the range and enjoy the drive .
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No software niggles faced so far for me too. Carplay connects seamlessly and so does connected car features and screen. Yes memory function for Mode and regen is absolutely must. I drive on Normal mode and light regen always. Everytime I start the car, I have to fiddle with the screen and set regen mode.

Light regen mode actually provides better range if one knows how to brake. Basically pedal brake functions in two ways, first it will start regen if you slightly press and after certain travel/sensitivity it applies physical brakes. So we can actually manipulate regen based on our brake pressure depending on the road situation. Also I will suggest enabling 'Comfort Parking' mode which reduces jerks and brakes smoothly with less using disc brakes.

Heavy regen actually minimises momentum and it takes more energy to bring that car to the same momentum again (Regen does not convert at 100% efficiency). So you can have nice coasting with light regen compared to heavy, and many people suggest using light regen on highways for the same reason.

My office is 22km one way. I am finding battery range increasing slowly, maybe it is calibrating. For first time it took 30% toll for the travel(44km). Second time it took about 20%, now today I have came 22km in just 7% one way , so cumulatively it should do 14% ideally. Lets see. This car. has been charged to 100% twice till date.

Seating positing is very high, Its higher than creta, seltos, ertiga and maybe comparable or slighly less than endeavour. wish it was little less. Car is very silent inside without any rattles except for rear seat buckle creating noise on bad road, Its internal metal parts are touching. if anyone has any idea on how to fix it then do let me know.
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My office is 22km one way. I am finding battery range increasing slowly, maybe it is calibrating. For first time it took 30% toll for the travel(44km). Second time it took about 20%, now today I have came 22km in just 7% one way , so cumulatively it should do 14% ideally. Lets see. This car. has been charged to 100% twice till date.
The car should provide around 2.5 to 3.3kms per percent. That is what will result to a 250-330kms on 100%. So currently your battery is giving you 3.1kms per percent which is great.
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No software niggles faced so far for me too.
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if anyone has any idea on how to fix it then do let me know.
How have you been managing this? Mine is doing in the range of 250-270 in heavy traffic. Although I must clarify that my car has done only about 600-700 kms so far

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