[digitalnirvana]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

3. Unlimited Battery Warranty, 1 year free public charging and free 3-60 plan is included ONLY WITH BaaS.

If true this is a deal breaker especially for battery warranty and 3-60 plan. It should be offered for outright purchases as well.

[guptad42]

Originally Posted by GoBabyGo

Hi, while the full details will come to MG showroom on 3rd October, 2024 regarding BaaS rental programme, my calculation is given in attached image.

The only thing I would like to understand, once the details are available with MG dealership, can a person pay full amount of the Windsor and take loan on battery only eg I can buy Essence variant by paying Rs.1199800/- and pay Rs.5250/- for the next 8 years for the battery or I will have to take loan on both battery as well as rest of the Windsor EV.

There should be an option for those who have taken loan on battery to repay the balance whenever they want to sell it.

I think the Bajaj BaaS offer is structured exactly like this.
1. You pay a fixed EMI only on the battery. You don't have to take a loan on the car's base price. (The mapping to Rs 3.5 per km for 1500 km is just notional, to sell you the idea that per km cost is low if you drive 1500 km or more.)

2. Under all BaaS plans, it is mandatory to pay back the full outstanding loan with interest before you sell the car.

3. Taking any BaaS offer only makes sense if you are earning well above 9% return on your own money. For example, if you have any bank FDs lying around totalling more than 3.5L, you are losing money by earning 7-ish percent on your own money and borrowing the battery amount at 9%.

The BaaS loans may have additional hidden fees at various stages- please check. P

lease also check for firm language in BaaS T&Cs that the EMI amount or per km rate will remain fixed for the duration of the loan. Else, MG/financier can arbitrarily increase it (say, 5Rs/km two years down the line). Also, is the battery loan rate fixed or variable? Ideally, battery loan rate should be lower if the NBFCs can access green bonds/ ESG sustainable finance funds.

[GoBabyGo]

Hi, my small attempt to compare long term usage cost analysis of Windsor EV with similar sized ICE SUV (Creta Petrol & Grand Vitara Strong Hybrid).

There is significant saving if someone use both EV & ICE for same km per month in city.

While there is no doubt that ICE resale value will be much more than EV, however, I think after 5 years or 8 years, cost of ICE car will go up eg if I get Creta SX CVT for 20.45 lacs now, I may get it for 25 lacs after 5 years and 30 lacs after 8 years. Whereas it is highly likely that I may get a 50kWh battery pack Windsor EV sized EV for less than 15 lacs onroad after 5 to 8 years, therefore, resale value advantage in ICE SUV may not be that relevant.

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by digitalnirvana

If true this is a deal breaker especially for battery warranty and 3-60 plan. It should be offered for outright purchases as well.

I think the 3-60 plan is also available for outright purchase but as a paid option in some care pack, at least that was the case when I had enquired about the ZS EV couple of months back. You still get the industry standard 8 year warranty for the battery. No EV battery manufacturer in the world offers lifetime warranty.

In Baas you are paying significantly more for the battery to exit the Baas you still need to pay the bank to get ownership of the battery. In 2032 when the battery warranty expires after 8 years, the battery volumetric advantage and charge speed will be at least 2x and 4x respectively and will also be far cheaper.

[250Nm]

Headlight controls on the touch screen is unsafe for some of the use cases requiring quick toggling/flashing. I have to check how bad this will be in the real world during a test drive.

- precautionary flashing to crossing vehicles at intersections.
- Flashing an oncoming vehicle to alert our presence/anger.
- Sudden visibility changes like the one below (fog, under bridge, tunnel, rain, etc).

https://youtu.be/mA6E3HO0QXs?si=tGEKcSReJlnw5mtT

[TopLiveCentre]

Thar Rocks(pun alert)= MG Windsor
Mahindra would have never bargained for this rather untimely launch of the MG Windsor even as they were opening the bookings of their much touted five door offroader.
Although these are very different iterations, I am sure the typical Indian psyche will be heavily swayed by the prices and the hype.

[msumitn]

Originally Posted by 250Nm

Headlight controls on the touch screen is unsafe for some of the use cases requiring quick toggling/flashing. I have to check how bad this will be in the real world during a test drive.

- precautionary flashing to crossing vehicles at intersections.
- Flashing an oncoming vehicle to alert our presence/anger.
- Sudden visibility changes like the one below (fog, under bridge, tunnel, rain, etc).

The high beam is integrated with wiper stalk only.

Just the auto headlamps and low beam is in touch screen.

[250Nm]

Originally Posted by msumitn

The high beam is integrated with wiper stalk only.

Thanks for clarifying. No indication of such feature in the stalk itself and also missed in the official review note:

[mercedised]

Thanks for the excellent review.

The most crucial aspect of this car is that it was designed from the ground up as an electric vehicle. This unique approach is the key reason MG has been able to create a remarkably spacious interior. Unlike most EVs on the market today, which are essentially modified ICE vehicles with electric motors and batteries, this car represents a true EV design. When EVs are built from scratch, with the sole purpose of being electric, they can offer an entirely different experience, both in terms of functionality and design.

That said, I’m not particularly fond of its exterior design. From the side, it resembles older models like the Indigo Marina, giving it a somewhat outdated appearance. The front has a futuristic look, but the rear reminds me of Honda's Brio, which leads to an overall design that feels a bit confused and lacking in coherence.

[fordday]

Originally Posted by mercedised

From the side, it resembles older models like the Indigo Marina, giving it a somewhat outdated appearance. The front has a futuristic look, but the rear reminds me of Honda's Brio, which leads to an
overall design that feels a bit confused and lacking in coherence.

Exactly my thoughts put into words.
The car seems to be everything going for it except that the looks are little confusing. I, for one, would find it difficult to appreciate atleast in the near term.

[VWAllstar]

Pricing of Windsor has put many (including myself) in a dilemma between Windsor Essence and MG ZS EV Excite Pro.

Windsor Essence On Road Price: Rs. 17,50,000/- (Mumbai)
No discounts.

MG ZS EV Excite Pro On Road Price: Rs. 20,00,00/- (Mumbai)
Above price inclusive of discounts.

For an additional Rs. 2,50,000/- one can get a bigger battery and better range. Excite Pro has all required bells and whistles. Additionally, in the last months of 2024, there could be an increase in discounts for ZS EV however Windsor in all probability hold it's price.

I checked out Windsor Essence (White) in person and I haven't seen a better car than this lately. The roominess inside, the minimalistic design yet having all bells and whistles, the sky roof and it's unique road presence, at a stellar price tempted me. The only con I felt was, driving a Windsor would feel like driving a people carrier (MPV) whereas ZS EV should feel like a proper Compact SUV.

All said and done, MG ZS EV would be a better car considering the battery and range. Rs. 2,50,000/- loan for 7 years would add approximately Rs. 4000/- per month. What are your thoughts on this dillema?

[GoBabyGo]

Originally Posted by VWAllstar

Pricing of Windsor has put many (including myself) in a dilemma between Windsor Essence and MG ZS EV Excite Pro.

Windsor Essence On Road Price: Rs. 17,50,000/- (Mumbai)
No discounts.

MG ZS EV Excite Pro On Road Price: Rs. 20,00,00/- (Mumbai)
Above price inclusive of discounts.

For an additional Rs. 2,50,000/- one can get a bigger battery and better range. Excite Pro has all required bells and whistles. Additionally, in the last months of 2024, there could be an increase in discounts for ZS EV however Windsor in all probability hold it's price.

I checked out Windsor Essence (White) in person and I haven't seen a better car than this lately. The roominess inside, the minimalistic design yet having all bells and whistles, the sky roof and it's unique road presence, at a stellar price tempted me. The only con I felt was, driving a Windsor would feel like driving a people carrier (MPV) whereas ZS EV should feel like a proper Compact SUV.

All said and done, MG ZS EV would be a better car considering the battery and range. Rs. 2,50,000/- loan for 7 years would add approximately Rs. 4000/- per month. What are your thoughts on this dillema?

Hi, I think you may please wait for another 10 to 15 days as it is possible that JSW-MG will launch 50kWh battery pack Windsor EV to compete with Nexon.ev 45kWh and start delivering it from Dhanteras. Do keep checking MG social media page & website.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by VWAllstar

Pricing of Windsor has put many (including myself) in a dilemma between Windsor Essence and MG ZS EV Excite Pro.

Windsor Essence On Road Price: Rs. 17,50,000/- (Mumbai)
No discounts.

MG ZS EV Excite Pro On Road Price: Rs. 20,00,00/- (Mumbai)
Above price inclusive of discounts.

For an additional Rs. 2,50,000/- one can get a bigger battery and better range. Excite Pro has all required bells and whistles. Additionally, in the last months of 2024, there could be an increase in discounts for ZS EV however Windsor in all probability hold it's price.

These prices does not make sense. Mumbai has road tax for EVs or not? As per Cardekho and CarTrade on road prices, it does not. So, How come Windsor Essense on road price is Rs 17.5 lakhs? It's ex-showroom is only 15.5 lakhs. So, why on road costs Rs 2 lakhs more?

[psbali]

Originally Posted by VWAllstar

Pricing of Windsor has put many (including myself) in a dilemma between Windsor Essence and MG ZS EV Excite Pro.

Windsor Essence On Road Price: Rs. 17,50,000/- (Mumbai)
No discounts.

MG ZS EV Excite Pro On Road Price: Rs. 20,00,00/- (Mumbai)
Above price inclusive of discounts.

Originally Posted by GoBabyGo

Hi, I think you may please wait for another 10 to 15 days as it is possible that JSW-MG will launch 50kWh battery pack Windsor EV to compete with Nexon.ev 45kWh and start delivering it from Dhanteras. Do keep checking MG social media page & website.

Windsor is a huge car with a very limited range. The BaaShing and later on the price discussion took so much attention that we did not for once stop and consider the actual con.

I have an XUV which is huge for city traffic and it can get a little frustrating in bumper to bumper traffic so as per me driving a comparatively huge car with a small battery will bring more hassles.

But what choice do we have? Go for small battery to chase reliability or become a beta tester for Tata?


Too many things happening in a very short while is leaving me absolutely confused. Only option is to start SIP and put EV plans on hold for a while. Let all the hype die down and then take an informed call.

Nexon 45Kw is tempting but at least one negative news on a daily basis is not encouraging. Both cars are using prismatic cells from same company so if Nexon has niggles even MG will face the same ones?

We will soon have apples to apples comparison.

[GoBabyGo]

Originally Posted by psbali

Windsor is a huge car with a very limited range.
We will soon have apples to apples comparison.

Hi, I agree with you regarding small battery. However, those looking for a secondary vehicle for strictly city usage (99% city usage), will have no problem with 38kWh battery pack which will give real world range of 240km (100% to 15%) in any weather condition & driving style.

In my view 4.3 meter long vehicle is not a huge car. At 15-16 lacs onroad price, except Honda City, Maruti Ciaz, I don't think there is any AT SUV or AT Crossover which offers space like Windsor EV.

Windsor EV with 38kWh battery is, in my view, not suitable for long distance travel because its 80% to 20% driving range will be too low for long distance travel. However, it is still doable with more stops / breaks in the journey.