[DRPSREDDY]

Exactly. The car can be used but in limp mode with limited function.

[thomahawk]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

this reactive approach leads to paying customers feeling cheated and leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

I feel for the owners who might have bought Nexon LR's this month because they marketed the price cut as a limited festive offer (In Kerala - one of the biggest volume drivers for their EV's it was festive season). I had bought my Tiago during Onam last year believing that perhaps I'm getting the best possible rate for the year, and Tata had issued a press release about a price hike in the next month. Instead, The Tiago EV got a 50k price cut as 'green discount' the following month.

[Vernafied]

And the TATA circus continues.
Bit off topic may be but wanted to share my Last year experience with them.
Last year Sep-Oct, I was hunting for my 2nd car. Preferably petrol one, since my usage is just about 8000 KM in a year. Wasn't looking for any ev but my father advised to have quick test drive and experience.
Went to TML's Thane GB roads infamous dealership.
No one bothered to ask why we were there. Absolute chaos none less than a fish market. After 30 min of roaming here n there a lady attended us. Gave price list and arranged a test drive after multiple requests. Sat in the test drive car which had only 11% battery remaining, I was stunned by silent cabin and easy drivability. I almost made my mind to purchase Fearless LR. Asked them to permit take insurance from outside or match the quote as difference was of 35K. They didn't budge and I was in no mood to give them 35k more. So parted ways asking SA to call me once they decide to change their mind.
To to my horror they didn't even cared to call and check. Rest is history, we all know about dreaded hv system malfunction error. I just thank my star as deal wasn't went through. Went ahead and purchased 5th genCity iVtec ZX MT and happy with it.

[TopLiveCentre]

Sir, this is what they meant by vocal for local. The locals are too vocal, normally, eh?

This reminds me of my experience of servicing my Indica V2 decades back. Those days, the cars were serviced by the same service centres meant for trucks. The truck drivers usually found the families with girls and ladies extremely devoid of technical knowledge and always pitched in with their stuff when the service adviser was talking to the car owners. This soon became a nuisance and the situation got out of hand in a service centre in Kollam. An ogling truck driver was roughed up by a couple of stout guys who had more "technical knowledge" than the trucker could ever dream of. Fortunately, Tata sorted things out very soon as they saw how awkward the situation was.

[guptad42]

The battery update adds range, but does not address the main shortcomings of the Nexon.

• End of the day the Nexon is still based on the dated petrol-diesel X1 platform of the old indica Vista and suffers because of that. Space inside is not great for a 4m SUV. Ergonomics at the driver's seat are not great. The rear seat is uncomfortable because you are forced to sit in a knees-up position. Why subject yourself to the discomfort if you have an option.
  
• MG Windsor is a full size bigger than nexon, belongs to the Creta segment size wise. Based on a proper born-EV native platform, it is very spacious inside. The wheelbase is more than 200mm longer than Nexon EV! The Nexon simply cannot match it on comfort and space.
  
• Many people have run Windsor for 290-300km in eco+ mode at 80kmph. And just look at the fit and finish, materials used and panel gaps - it is far superior to Nexon EV.
  
• Tata Motors has been overcharging for their EVs even after battery prices dropped dramatically. Nexon.ev sold well because there was no competition. Now it will need to be much cheaper than the Windsor to sell well. And even at a cheaper price, lot of buyers will ask themselves is it risky to buy it with the solid reputation for electrical faults and poor service support. So, with aggressive competition in the market, Nexon.ev will struggle. It just might get a temporary one-off bump from people who needed a little more range.

Let a couple of more EV makers enter the market under 20Lacs and the price competition will force EV prices to become same as petrol car prices quickly.

[s2K_scorpioN]

Originally Posted by guptad42

The battery update adds range, but does not address the main shortcomings of the Nexon.

MG Windsor is a full size bigger than nexon, belongs to the Creta segment size wise. Based on a proper born-EV native platform, it is very spacious inside. The wheelbase is more than 200mm longer than Nexon EV! The Nexon simply cannot match it on comfort and space.

Let a couple of more EV makers enter the market under 20Lacs and the price competition will force EV prices to become same as petrol car prices quickly.

Windsor is too big of a vehicle to be a city car IMO. Its range would limit its use to mainly the city. It needs the bigger 50 kWh battery to really come into its element.

100% agree, once more EV players are in the sub 20 lac segment, we'll have price parity.

[guptad42]

Originally Posted by s2K_scorpioN

Windsor is too big of a vehicle to be a city car IMO. Its range would limit its use to mainly the city. It needs the bigger 50 kWh battery to really come into its element.
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Totally agree.

- As a city car, Windsor does feel too big in real life. Its generous size is my main worry. Something smaller will be easier to drive and park in our crowded cities.

- MG will eventually bring 50KWH battery pack to make Windsor a VFM highway-capable EV, priced to pull a percentage of sales from petrol favourites like the Ertiga?XL6, Brezza, Venue, Honda City etc.

This will probably happen only after MG launch the new ZSEV with 60+KWH battery pack. If they take ZS EV even more upmarket, there's a 72KWH option. But, this wait is a mistake. The large volumes MG could have done would more than make up for the loss of ZSEV sales and established MG firmly as an EV leader in India.

[narayans80]

Some thoughts as a fence sitter looking to add an EV as a second car at 10-15L budget.

• Started with Punch 25 kw for first look.
• Windsor launch has upped the game and am no longer look at the 25 kw Punch. Infact 35 kw Punch seems to be in no mans land, unless one is looking at a strict 12-13L budget.
• Without the 45 kw update, Nexon looked irrelevant.
• With the Nexon 45 kw launch, not sure why get the Curvv 45 kw.
• What works for the Nexon is the conventional looks and dimensions. Scores on usability in terms of buttons. Windsor will take time to get used to the sensitive front end and those overloaded stalks.
• Both Windsor and Nexon (and Curvv) use the same vendor for battery pack. Remains to be seen how they hold up.
• Windsor scores big on the space, which Nexon is no match for.
• Tata's shennanigans with support on the battery issues is a concern. As a fence sitter MG is winning the perception war.
• Driving an Alcazar, I can live with the Windsor dimensions. I don't think such a generous rear bench was possible without those dimensions.
• Windsor practical range is ok for me. It will be largely used as a suburban commute car with a rare highway run thrown in. It will never seen beyond TN-AP-KA. Need to wait for the range tests from Nexon 45 kw.
• Windsor has the boring colors in the Excite and Exclusive variant. The black Windsor does look good, but owning a black car in sunny Madras is not an exciting prospect. Have been eyeing the Flame Red Fearless Nexon.

[Urorobo]

Tata Curvv EV should have a 70 kwh battery pack and have a bare bone car with minimal gadgets except a good quality screen , manual buttons for AC and or Climate control ( they should look the centre console of Thar , it looks neat and well laid out with great functionality) Japs, Koreans , Germans our own Mahindra has better centre console.

Electrically adjustable ORVM , rear washer and defogger , TMPS is all that is needed.

We don't need Wireless charging nor that touch panel.

Im my thar I hardly use stereo controls on the steering since the physical buttons on the screen are so good. Volume knob is very easily reachable and I pick up calls from the touch screen.

The mahindra voice command many times gets activated on its own which is a nuisance

In the base ICE Curvv the nexon AC controls look cheap but I would prefer them over the touch panel.

Less Gizmos less trouble.

Love the Thar and like it’s ergonomics. Loved the Ergonomics of the City.

Disel Curvv drove well … should I opt for the bare bones smart D and may be retro fit a good Audio and speakers as I hate the touch panel. Its not only ugly but would require me to take my eyes off every time i need to change wind flow which I frequently do plus if the touch is damaged nothing will work.

But 1 lac premium over smart gives me everything in pureplus and wont have to run to local shop immidiately after delivery and it makes the most sense.

1.5 as premium for diesel is too much but it drives better than revotron petrol so not much of a choice. Tata is being greedy.

[GoBabyGo]

Hi, sharing my thoughts on the driving range with home charging cost (at various per unit charges) and also highway (or city) public charging cost (at various per KW cost) for general awareness.

The attached sheet also captured estimate of Petrol AT SUV per km cost and also Hybrid SUV per km cost for comparison purpose.

The EV driving range may not be 100% accurate, however, this is the closest of the reported range by various range test drive reports (actual product yet to be delivered to public).

[Screwdriva]

I wonder if those advocating for MG have taken a moment to appreciate who really owns the parent company + the technology, and if they factor that into their purchasing decision?

The new version of the Nexon should deliver a real world 300+ km range which should allow once a week charging for the office commuter. Great move by Tata.

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by Screwdriva

I wonder if those advocating for MG have taken a moment to appreciate who really owns the parent company + the technology, and if they factor that into their purchasing decision?

The new version of the Nexon should deliver a real world 300+ km range which should allow once a week charging for the office commuter. Great move by Tata.

In the Nexon all the electronics, EV powertrain and the battery cells are from China. So to compare both the Nexon and Windsor EV have similar levels of localization with mainly their body shells that are made in India. While the battery pack is assembled locally.

[electric_eel]

Originally Posted by Screwdriva

I wonder if those advocating for MG have taken a moment to appreciate who really owns the parent company + the technology, and if they factor that into their purchasing decision?

The new version of the Nexon should deliver a real world 300+ km range which should allow once a week charging for the office commuter. Great move by Tata.

With Nexon EV 45 KWH battery pack, the game is still very much on for, what many would consider, an iconic model for Indian automobile industry. Let the product (Nexon in this case) stand on its own strength and out compete MG's offering instead of using the vocal-for-local crutch.

[Screwdriva]

Originally Posted by electric_eel

Let the product (Nexon in this case) stand on its own strength and out compete MG's offering instead of using the vocal-for-local crutch.

Not to make this a political detour, but I believe profits from the sale of a Nexon will rest within the Tata Group. I'm not sure I can say the same for an MG.

That aside, I agree, the Nexon 45 is ideally suited for a city commuter who drives >50km a day and can be a real game changer in terms of running costs and environmental impact. Paired with rooftop Solar (for those lucky enough to own their own roofs), it's practically free motoring.

[FlankerFury]

Originally Posted by Screwdriva

Not to make this a political detour, but I believe profits from the sale of a Nexon will rest within the Tata Group. I'm not sure I can say the same for an MG.

It's not like MG runs an import only operation, they have a large manufacturing facility in Gujarat. I remember MG claiming localisation levels to the tune of 75% and more for the Hector and Astor so a lot of the money earned is circulated within our county.

Profits from sale from Tata and MG will find its way to China anyways since the EV powertrain and battery are sourced from that country.

Moreover, MGs parent firm is forced into a JV with Indian partners (like JSW in MG's case) thanks to GoI's policies on Chinese investments.
Even BYD is rumoured to find Indian partners to start local production.