[mally2]

Originally Posted by mgoel

if 79kW is going to give a range of 350km, what will be range in 59kW? 220km? is not that something Windsor EV with 35kW battery gives? And what about all the claim of Mahindra of their testing range is > 500km for 79kW? I just saw the numbers for various cities and it varies from 495km to 550km

Then why is Mahindra resisting range testing by media and independent journalists? By now these things are usually out in YouTube.

[DevilinDiguise]

Originally Posted by Devdivin

Any chance you could get the accessories list for the Be6 as well?

Here you go. Attached.

[novice]

Originally Posted by mgoel

if 79kW is going to give a range of 350km, what will be range in 59kW? 220km? is not that something Windsor EV with 35kW battery gives? And what about all the claim of Mahindra of their testing range is > 500km for 79kW? I just saw the numbers for various cities and it varies from 495km to 550km

None of the cars I TD’ed or seen in the showroom showed anything more than 350km range with close to 100% charge. I too hope that the real world mileage would live up to what they claim. Maybe regen braking adds to the mileage in city driving conditions.

[wooka]

Regen barely adds 5-7% range back to the battery.
In no equation do I see energy being produced out of thin air?

A fair amount of energy is lost in the Electrical -> Mechanical -> Electrical energy recuperation process..

The 59 battery should give about 82% of the range of the 79 KWH option. I did some math previously on this and that's the figure I came up with.

A few thoughts on the 350 KMs range on demo vehicles:
1. The AI patterns pick up driving style. This is better than a static range reading on every 100% charge.
2. Tons of idling where people are checking out features.
3. Everyone is keen on spamming the accelerator. That's going to drop range on any vehicle, dramatically.
4. The 500 KMS range used 'range' mode and the AC was on low. It's there in the publications.

The lack of full disclosure and providing the vehicle to actual professional reviewers without red tape along with malpractices (dealer-provided insurance, forced charger purchase, 11KW charger and pack 3 deliveries, forced accessories, lack of clarity on ADAS level 2 in pack 2, etc.) are really unnerving me now.

[driver641]

I am really unconcerned about the questions on the range. I am sure the BE and 9e will have the best range yet in Indian EVs. 82kw Seal / Sealion is the largest capacity available now, and they have a more powerful motor. So by all means, the similar BYD LFP cells in the 79kw Mahindra with a lesser power motor should have the better range.

The problem with the demo cars is even the case with ICE cars. When I test drove the Ciaz 6 yrs back, the MID showed 8kmpl. It's been 6 years since I have bought the Ciaz, I have never ever managed to go so low. I get 12.5kmpl in City and 17-18kmpl in highways. We just have to ignore the FE figures indicated in the demo vehicles. The are always on idle, and driven in the worst possible ways.

On Mahindra being reluctant to give out EVs for free testing is understandable. They are trying to orchestrate a good launch. Despite their efforts we saw clips of accidents, and am sure they would not have full reliability yet. So they indeed have to be cautious. If they screw up the launch, even if they resolve things later, here we have this culture of labeling a vehicle as a failure. Mahindra's marketing and strategy team is working overly hard, that for people like us it starts feeling suspicious.

[novice]

The maximum mileage I saw on TD cars with >95% charge is 296kms. Hence my estimate of 350 to 375 kms range for real world driving with a moderately heavy foot in Everyday mode and few occasional bursts of acceleration in Race mode. Of course the range can be higher if one drives with a light foot focused on getting the best mileage. But that's not how most of the petrolheads I know drive anyways.

Around 350 kms range is fine with me as I plan to use it for City commute only and I can slow charge it while the car is parked overnight. My anxiety levels peak on highway trips even with ICE cars until I find a pump that sells 95 octane petrol. So, I am not ready yet to take an electric car on a highway trip. I would wait till 2030 to do so

[Chrome6Boy]

I drive the MG ZS and I get about 6.6 km/kWh, for my 50 kWh battery it gives me about 330 km range. Mahindra won't be as efficient because of the higher weight and ridiculously powerful motor.

The TD cars are being abused to test out 0-100 times etc, no EV will give a good efficiency if driven like that and you would rarely drive your own car that way.

But certainly the 79 kWh battery will give 400+ range if driven reasonably. Their advertised WLTP (in house) range is 550 km, so I am sure we can get 400 to 450 km range and the official Team-BHP review also thinks the same.

[masterkjn]

I had booked a Stealth black pack 3 through PDC and got a call today about being offered an allotment - they are doing 20 cars delivery on the 10 March. Was not expecting to get it so soon - i am double minded whether to take the delivery of the first batch considering the reliability of a new platform and all the tech inside the car.

[novice]

Originally Posted by masterkjn

I had booked a Stealth black pack 3 through PDC and got a call today about being offered an allotment - they are doing 20 cars delivery on the 10 March. Was not expecting to get it so soon - i am double minded whether to take the delivery of the first batch considering the reliability of a new platform and all the tech inside the car.

I booked online on 18th. The dealer offered me allotment in the first batch but they went incommunicado after I told them that their insurance quote is not acceptable.

Have made one more booking yesterday with another dealer who is open to negotiation on the insurance. I think I might get the car in the next few weeks from the second dealer.

[aantony]

As we are nearing the most awaited release and equally eager to own the XEV9E, I was also eagerly waiting to be part of Team-BHP. Though I am late to the show, I would like to add some points from my side that might help a few out here.

Deliveries – 10th, 15th, 20th; though some claim deliveries will begin on the 10th of March, others are still denying these dates, stating that RTO inspection/approval is still pending in some states. Mahindra is very strict about a PAN-India release and is not going to approve deliveries in regions that are ready while others are still pending. With approximately six days left for the 10th of March, they might work proactively to set things up. But for now, most still say that deliveries will happen on the 14th and 15th.

Insurance – Keeping it simple: take it from outside (I have taken Acko). Mahindra does not force you to take insurance through the dealership. Dealerships cannot run their business by squeezing customers like this. Apparently, this issue should have been highlighted and controlled by Mahindra, but sources say that the markup margin is not satisfactory, and Mahindra is ignoring the dealerships practice to run their business(Not a good practice we expect from M&M).

Charger – Earlier, people were threatened that the car’s warranty would only be valid if Mahindra’s charger was used. That is a myth. Practically, one cannot carry a Mahindra charger everywhere they go. They will rely on EV stations or portable chargers, and there is no point in claiming that Mahindra’s charger is the only one that improves efficiency. Warranty statements are out(attached - Shared by SA), and they do not mention the use of a specific charger provided Mahindra. So, resist such claims to the maximum. I also spoke to Mahindra’s customer care team, and they informed me that this aspect is handled by the dealership. So, again, the dealership is the boss here. Work it out with them, and hopefully, you will get a positive response (I already have).

Range – Not bringing up any math here. As per the SA’s feedback, they are seeing fluctuations with every flash update they make on the vehicle. The first batch of test-drive vehicles showed promising results of easily reaching 520 km, with regeneration going up to 550 km sometimes, as per the dashboard reading (not sure though). However, after a software update, the same vehicle’s range dropped to 400 km the next day. They believe this impact is created by software updates. I had a test drive today at my residence, and the vehicle was showing 220 km at 60%, which is roughly about 360 to 380 km total range. The SA added that the vehicle had a “Flash” update last night. Not sure what is cooking at the backend.

Gimmicks – Four external speakers are installed on every car (not sure if this applies to all variants), and there will be an update where an engine mimic sound will be heard outside to alert pedestrians and others, as the car is very silent.

Accessories – Denial is a must. I cannot accept chrome finishes on an aesthetically designed car, as they spoil the look—at least as per my taste. Pricing is another nightmare. If anyone has details, please post them. For now, dealerships are still working on finalizing the costs. Another catch is that they mentioned adapters to facilitate BYOD, but this is not included in the customer accessory list. Not sure how the hooks at the back of the front seats will be utilized.

V2L – I was lucky to speak directly with Mr. Velusamy on this. He said they are being extra cautious about battery life, and for now, they have deliberately avoided this feature to maximize battery efficiency. However, they have plans to introduce authorized adapters in the future for this purpose.

Service Intervals – As of now, they have not disclosed service and maintenance details. The information will be released on the day of delivery. They are still working on setting up exclusive service bays in some dealerships to handle EVs. Once the major operations are stabilized, they will release a statement—hopefully before delivery.

ME4U App – The app will receive an update that will facilitate EV-specific functions. They are almost ready for an OTA update. Final testing is being done to maximize integration between the vehicle and chargers.

Allotment – Dealerships always have the upper hand. If you feel your current dealership is not supportive, honestly, you do not have the option to change it now. The current waiting period for Pack 3 is three months (cross-checked with four dealerships). Work peacefully with your current SA. If you are okay with waiting, you may try working with alternative dealerships. However, bookings made in the first few minutes after opening—by customers themselves—may still be overtaken by bookings placed through dealerships. I have seen this happen live. So, choose wisely.

This is my first post. All the data quoted above is a collective response from SA feedback, customer care discussions, my own experience, and conversations with the Mahindra team during the launch. Sorry if I have provided too much information. With everything revolving around this, I am eagerly waiting to own my car on the first day.

[bliss22]

Got a call from my Mahindra dealer in mumbai today congratulating that the vehicle has been allotted to me. Says the vehicle is in transit should arrive in next 3-4 days. To which I asked what is the manufacturing month of the vehicle, they said January 2025. So I am a bit skeptical that I am buying a new vehicle without any discount and it’s manufactured 2 months ago. My vehicle will be January 2025 manufactured and march 2025 registered. I want some guidance if this is ok and should I go ahead with it. Secondly I took up the inflated insurance price after which they have sent me this quotation which they say includes all add-on like battery protection + motor protection +on board charger protection and zero depreciation too. I asked on the clarity on vehicle warranty and battery life time warranty, to which the sent me pictures which I have attached.

[PMSreenivas]

Originally Posted by novice

I took TD of 9e twice. I felt the steering is light and the suspension squishy in Range and Everyday mode. This somewhat dulls the driving experience. Both harden up nicely in Race mode but I don’t want to be driving in that mood all the time. I wish Mahindra has given a Custom or Individual mode like in Kodiaq’s DCC.


Based on multiple test drives I did with 6e and 9e, my estimate would be between 350 to 375 kms depending on the driving style.

There is a 100-0% range test of KIA EV6 77.4kWh battery by zigwheels in youtube which gave 502 km in ECO mode.
That car has a 320 bhp motor having 605nm max torque.
Mahindra twins have 282 bhp power and 380nm torque.
If Mahindra cars are run in Range mode (which actually has more than enough power to cruise on our roads and we don't need the Race mode), we should be able to get a 500+ range with lesser powered motors and bigger battery than EV6. no?

[beemer5499]

Originally Posted by aantony

Insurance – Keeping it simple: take it from outside (I have taken Acko). Mahindra does not force you to take insurance through the dealership.

Charger – Earlier, people were threatened that the car’s warranty would only be valid if Mahindra’s charger was used. That is a myth. Warranty statements are out(attached - Shared by SA), and they do not mention the use of a specific charger provided Mahindra. So, resist such claims to the maximum. I also spoke to Mahindra’s customer care team, and they informed me that this aspect is handled by the dealership. So, again, the dealership is the boss here. Work it out with them, and hopefully, you will get a positive response (I already have).

How much did the insurance cost from Acko and what all additional covers have you taken? Also have you made full payment for the car or a down payment for the charger installation and insurance purchase? Is it on the ex-showroom price or the ex-showroom price + charger price?

Lastly, are you saying that you have worked out not buying the Mahindra charger or have you worked out the warranty not getting void if you use 3rd party chargers?

[Sentau]

Originally Posted by aantony

I also spoke to Mahindra’s customer care team, and they informed me that this aspect is handled by the dealership. So, again, the dealership is the boss here. Work it out with them, and hopefully, you will get a positive response (I already have).

Why the hell is a warranty provided by the manufacturer left to be handled by the dealership. Mahindra should define clear cut terms which the dealerships should follow when it comes to warranty. The current arrangement is ripe for abuse.

[aantony]

Acko has raised their RTI coverage from 909 to about 3000. In many states, RTO/Road tax does not apply to EVs, so you can skip RTI since the insurance covers up to 95% of the ex-showroom price in case of total loss. The estimated cost is around INR 60K. I also asked if there are any special clauses for the motor, and they confirmed it is automatically included as part of the car, so no extra add-on is needed. Therefore, the battery, motor, consumables, and zero depreciation are all included for just 60K.