[sgiitk]

@rkg; Let me add, look into the Private Sector, most of the top management came from the Public Sector. Only the motivation has changed - maximise profits for do minimum work. The mindset by and large has not changed.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by rkg

They work hard and honestly when they go outside the country

Probably you need to associate with better people? I work in India, and I work diligently. So do countless others in the Private companies. Just a few pvt sectors companies do not define the private sector.
As for public sector, no comments. I do not work there, so I not know whether its their mindset or their hands are tied. If I worked there I would be able to tell you whether govt employees are lazy or their hands are tied.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by rkg

I have seen the private sector growth in this country in the last 20 years.

Studied it also. I have seen the service levels of both private and govt.

I have seen how private sector corrupted the public sector

That's like pot calling the kettle black. When the government refuses to move without bribe, there will be people who will be ready to pay. If government works without bribe (like in many countries), who wants to pay?

Originally Posted by rkg

I can cite 'N' number instances how private sector operated since 1990 with examples. but in private not in public domain.

What I meant to say is whether it is Govt or private both are operated by Indian's only

With private sector, we have a choice. If you find one company bad, you can switch to the competitor. But what choice do I have with government. If the government officer I deal with is corrupt, can I switch to the competitor? Not really.

Originally Posted by rkg

Their mindset is same

They work hard and honestly when they go outside the country

Once they are in India they try all means to achieve the ends faster.

So blaming Public sector is not the cure or panacea.

Lot of us here deal exclusively with international clients. We can survive only by giving very high quality of service. But you may be right about companies that only deal with Indian market. But they too are scared about losing customers, unlike public sector.

Originally Posted by sgiitk

@rkg; Let me add, look into the Private Sector, most of the top management came from the Public Sector.

This is true only in private companies that survive on government contracts. A company catering mostly to private or international clients can never afford to hire from public sector.

[KumaravelS]

Originally Posted by rkg

Spare few minutes to think why so many million tonnes of food grains are rotting the FCI storage. Who benefits/loses if these food grains are released in to open market. Who is the real culprit/motivator for this scenario.

Surprised by this argument.

FCI is not measured for its profit / loss. ( one can define profit / loss in terms of how much food is efficiently distributed to the needed people too).

Now they dont take any decision on the roting of food. Why? Their job is secure whether the food is rotten or not.

When the performance is delinked from my renumeration, most of the time I reduce my performance, esp when I know when my performance (present and future) would never be rewarded.

To me, it is the primary deficiency that accompanies Socialism.

Originally Posted by rkg

So the role of private sector in performance of PSU's can not be pushed under the carpet

There could be (or is) truth in this argument. But that is due to non transparency.

[rkg]

Originally Posted by Samurai

That's like pot calling the kettle black. When the government refuses to move without bribe, there will be people who will be ready to pay. If government works without bribe (like in many countries), who wants to pay?

With private sector, we have a choice. If you find one company bad, you can switch to the competitor. But what choice do I have with government. If the government officer I deal with is corrupt, can I switch to the competitor? Not really.

Lot of us here deal exclusively with international clients. We can survive only by giving very high quality of service. But you may be right about companies that only deal with Indian market. But they too are scared about losing customers, unlike public sector.

This is true only in private companies that survive on government contracts. A company catering mostly to private or international clients can never afford to hire from public sector.

Check the biodata of most of the Airtel senior management or even TITAN and find out for yourself.

It is not the case case of pot calling kettle black. Just browse for Vijay kumar IAS.

M.N. Vijayakumar, IAS transfer story

If govt can do this to an IAS officer who has protection under constitution, imagine the fate of ordinary govt employees

there are so many like him at all levels in Govt who suffering silently due to their honesty. If one do not tow the line of corrupt politicians who are bribed by corporate's he/she face hell in govt.

When do one pays the bribe? -- in most cases he/she wants things to get done out of the way or wants undue favors from govt. hence the bribe to facilitate it. Of course genuine guys are also suffering in this sad scenario.

regarding the query of Kumaravel S ( i do not know how to multi quote)

FCI duty is only to store buffer stocks. it is the political master who make the decision on when and how much to release to market. As of now FCI holds twice the required food grains ( buffer stock)

If this quantity is released in to market the prices of almost all the food grains will collapse .

Now guess who loses if the market price of rice,wheat etc comes down

Don't blame every thing stating that they do not lose any thing etc etc about govt employees.

Do you sincerely think an ordinary govt employee can take such a decision?

[hajaar]

back on-topic: a person from airtel called up today and assured me that the connection would be up & running by sunday. I told him to cancel the connection but he implored me for some more time. I will wait & see what happens.

[neon_daytona]

After 25 days of waiting, endless calls to customer care and nodal officer, few emails to Nodal officer. I have not got any reply.

I called up the customer care today for cancellation and thats when they ask for some more time for shifting. Reason: "Junction box is 300 meters away from my new location". No commitment on time frame.

So finally, I am moving out of airtel. They are supposed to confirm the cancelation withing 1 day. Hope they atleast stick to this.

BTW what is the next best plan for me?
I just need a landline for occasional use.
I mainly need the internet for my wife to keep in touch with friends, for my son to search some songs and videos and occasionaly check personal email and browse team-bhp.

The airtel plan that I had was Rs. 600 monthly rental. 150 minutes free talk time. 2MBPS speed, with 3GB data limit. Never needed more than that.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by neon_daytona

BTW what is the next best plan for me?
I just need a landline for occasional use.
I mainly need the internet for my wife to keep in touch with friends, for my son to search some songs and videos and occasionaly check personal email and browse team-bhp.

The airtel plan that I had was Rs. 600 monthly rental. 150 minutes free talk time. 2MBPS speed, with 3GB data limit. Never needed more than that.

In that case just take Tata Docomo broadband. You can carry it around.

[sgiitk]

Originally Posted by Samurai

This is true only in private companies that survive on government contracts. A company catering mostly to private or international clients can never afford to hire from public sector.

Not necessarily. RCom set up shop by hiring off whole lots from BSNL. I know for sure Gujarat BSNL was decimated when RCom set up shop. Also, the mega groups (like Reliance) often poach senior executives from IDBI, IFCI and the lot. You are unlikely to find the expertise to manage projects of 500 crores plus outside of these.

[Samurai]

Airtel connection is back baby!!!!

Three days back I gave up on Airtel customer care, nodal officers and appellate officers and decided go deep, deep underground. I asked my staff to contact ground level Airtel staff they know and get numbers of the higher up people who are responsible for the field operations. They had to go through many layers (many offices), each layer giving up the number only after strict warning that their identity to be kept secret. Eventually we managed to reach the actual people do the work.

Today evening things started moving and I got calls from people who sounded no-nonsense and all pro. The technician finally showed up and struggled for an hour to figure out the right wires that lead to my computer table. No new wire laying was needed. Just some wires had to be discovered and re-connect my phone line. Finally that happened and he said some other techie has to work on the modem side. I said forget it and connected my modem & Juniper SSG5 VPN firewall which had stayed on since I moved into the apartment.

Bam! I am on Internet and on my office LAN (via VPN) after 4 weeks.

Just now I even got the confirmation call.

Originally Posted by sgiitk

RCom set up shop by hiring off whole lots from BSNL. I know for sure Gujarat BSNL was decimated when RCom set up shop. Also, the mega groups (like Reliance) often poach senior executives from IDBI, IFCI and the lot.

That explains a lot why my reliance experience was so horrible, both as individual and enterprise customer. See this: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadge...ml#post1210929 (How reliable is Reliance leased line service?)

[hajaar]

Originally Posted by hajaar

back on-topic: a person from airtel called up today and assured me that the connection would be up & running by sunday. I told him to cancel the connection but he implored me for some more time. I will wait & see what happens.

woohoo! I have the connection. I am actually aghast at this. After weeks of , its finally

[YaeJay]

I guess it took about 6 pages out here. I am not aware of the other awareness propaganda. Glad if it worked for you. But I salute your patience, 4 long weeks on a biz setup. But alteast that should have got you out of your office and take quite a few pics, adding your wisps of angry mists to even what could have been dry hills!

Airteluku oru OoH!

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by YaeJay

I guess it took about 6 pages out here. I am not aware of the other awareness propaganda. Glad if it worked for you.

Awareness propaganda didn't work at all. I made it work by directly contacting the field operation wing of Airtel last week. If I think back, that is how it worked all the time. In the past 6 years, I have rarely called Airtel call center. The installing technician always tells me to call him directly and not bother with the call center route. Only this time I didn't have that option since the installing technician has left Airtel.

Originally Posted by YaeJay

But I salute your patience, 4 long weeks on a biz setup. But alteast that should have got you out of your office and take quite a few pics, adding your wisps of angry mists to even what could have been dry hills!

Fortunately, I had to suffer it only half that time, when I was in Bangalore. Even then, I had slower backup options through Tata Proton+ and Tata Docomo 3G Hub. So I could log in via dial-up VPN.

[safari_lover]

My Airtel connection is up and running too, finally!
They called me up on Sat but since I was out of town during the weekend, they came this morning and set it up!

[Prowler]

The day before Madras saw some Sound and Light Show (thunder and Lightening) with some rains. Unfortunately it fried both our modems (one is a cable modem from Youtelecom) and the other is from Airtel. It also fried our Network Server's NIC. Anyway youtelecom people came and replaced the modem without much fuss. But Airtel refused to replace the modem - Beetel 220BX and want us to buy the modem from their supplier.

There was a time they attended to problems within a few hours. Now it is becoming pathetic. It took them 2 days to tell us that we need to buy our modem.