[rohan_iitr]

Originally Posted by IamNikhil

Considering parents are both senior citizens now, ease-of-use is the top-most priority. We have faced an issue with maids being very irregular, hence the decision to finally opt for a dishwasher.

Please keep this in mind - dishwasher can be considered as a backup option for irregular maids, but it cannot replace a maid completely.

Also, dishwashers can't take large Indian utensils such as tawa, kadhai, pressure cooker etc. So, even if one buys a dishwasher, one should be prepared to wash such items manually or have a maid to do it.

As long as you set your expectations realistically, a dishwasher would not disappoint.

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Originally Posted by rohan_iitr

Also, dishwashers can't take large Indian utensils such as tawa, kadhai, pressure cooker etc. So, even if one buys a dishwasher, one should be prepared to wash such items manually or have a maid to do it.

So I'll disagree here because I've put all of those things in our dishwasher on the regular. And I don't just mean Westernised equivalents, no no, actual kadais, pressure cookers, the lot, all from India. The only item where the dishwasher has some issues is with a pressure cooker, it struggles to get at the inside if it has one of those lids that sits inside the rim rather that locking to an exterior rim. But that's about it really. We don't really distinguish with Indian items. I'll admit it's been an uphill battle trying to convince the cook and maids at home that it'll be fine too but they're starting to put utensils in now slowly.

NOTE: Obviously I'm avoiding items that shouldn't go into the dishwasher: silverware, cast iron, carbon steel, Dutch ovens, etc.

[speed79]

Originally Posted by rohan_iitr

Please keep this in mind - dishwasher can be considered as a backup option for irregular maids, but it cannot replace a maid completely.

Also, dishwashers can't take large Indian utensils such as tawa, kadhai, pressure cooker etc.

We bought Siemens Dishwasher in year 2013. Initially it acted as a backup for maid. When Covid struck, the Dishwasher came to our rescue. Now we regularly use our dishwasher 2 times a day. It takes all the utensils - Kadhai, pressure cooker except tawa which has a wooden handle and the wooden belan (rolling pin). The vessels with oil and turmeric based cooking need some manual scrubbing though. We even wash the filters of Bosch Chimney once in 2 weeks in the dishwasher.

[itwasntme]

Originally Posted by rohan_iitr

Please keep this in mind - dishwasher can be considered as a backup option for irregular maids, but it cannot replace a maid completely.

Agree!

Originally Posted by ads11

So I'll disagree here because I've put all of those things in our dishwasher on the regular.

Same here. I shove most things inside. Some come out like a Picasso painting though.

Originally Posted by speed79

It takes all the utensils - Kadhai, pressure cooker except tawa which has a wooden handle and the wooden belan (rolling pin). The vessels with oil and turmeric based cooking need some manual scrubbing though. We even wash the filters of Bosch Chimney once in 2 weeks in the dishwasher.

Same here!

[ghodlur]

Originally Posted by ads11

I can heartily recommend it!

Many thanks for the review and recommendation . I agree with you reg the slightly weird door opening interlock but I suppose I will get used to it once its used regularly.

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Thanks to all for the discussions reg the dish washer, I am going to make my better half read all those posts reg the appliance. I am right now sitting on the fence deciding if the appliance is even worth 50k. Although I am not against the appliance, but I find it not that useful as it occupies a large space in the kitchen, costs hefty, plus additional maintenance when it comes to ground water marks on the utensils and in appliance.

In my case I will need to sacrifice the washing machine space for Dish washer in case it has to be bought, washing machine needs to occupy one bathroom or balcony space which I totally am not comfortable with.

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Originally Posted by ghodlur

I agree with you reg the slightly weird door opening interlock but I suppose I will get used to it once its used regularly.

You get used to it, and it's not a major issue in any case.

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Thanks to all for the discussions reg the dish washer, I am going to make my better half read all those posts reg the appliance. I am right now sitting on the fence deciding if the appliance is even worth 50k. Although I am not against the appliance, but I find it not that useful as it occupies a large space in the kitchen, costs hefty, plus additional maintenance when it comes to ground water marks on the utensils and in appliance.

In my case I will need to sacrifice the washing machine space for Dish washer in case it has to be bought, washing machine needs to occupy one bathroom or balcony space which I totally am not comfortable with.

If space is an issue you could get something like this:
https://www.voltas.com/collections/d...hwasher-silver

This is the second unit that was bought on request from our cook and sat comfortably on top of our washing machine. The technicians had a hissy fit at my scandalous idea of mounting the tumble dryer on top of the washing machine, despite them being of the same series, ie mountable - so the dishwasher was the compromise. My original plan was to have the dishwasher on a sliding tray below the sink but the plumbers weren't happy about this.


Forgive the lousy photo but hopefully this conveys the layout

If you can do this, you'd really benefit, because a half size dishwasher is still better than none. Unlike a washing machine spin cycle, there's not that much vibration from the dishwasher so it's fine on top, it's also nowhere near as heavy as a full size tumble dryer. Obviously you'll know best your space constraints but this set up allows shared plumbing for eg (although that's something I ended up fixing).

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Thanks to all for the discussions reg the dish washer, I am going to make my better half read all those posts reg the appliance. I am right now sitting on the fence deciding if the appliance is even worth 50k. Although I am not against the appliance, but I find it not that useful as it occupies a large space in the kitchen, costs hefty, plus additional maintenance when it comes to ground water marks on the utensils and in the appliance.

It more than makes up for its price in terms of convenience. Don't just see it as a maid replacement, cause the benefits are plenty. Not only does it clean better, and use less water, but the utensils look new because there are no scratches from the abrasive scrubbers.

I feel the dishwasher and dryer are two appliances that are often overlooked but once you start using them, there is no going back. And these days, even the middle class can easily afford them.

[Sebring]

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Anybody has this mode of refrigerator from Samsung, any experience to share?. I have shortlisted this amongst other bottom freezer ones and based on the features this looks more attractive. I have checked this physically in Reliance Digital near me and it looks good as well

LG just launched their bottom freezer model. We had a bottom freezer Panasonic for 12 years (and was going strong) till we gave it away

[rohan_iitr]

Originally Posted by ads11

So I'll disagree here because I've put all of those things in our dishwasher on the regular. And I don't just mean Westernised equivalents, no no, actual kadais, pressure cookers, the lot, all from India.

One can always put tawa, kadhai, pressure cooker etc in the dishwasher. But these occupy a lot of space. I would rather put 4-5 smaller utensils more in the dishwasher and wash the cooker, kadhayi and tawa manually.

Also, it is not recommended to put aluminium utensils in the dishwasher. Aluminium kadhais and pressure cooker are used very commonly in India.

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Although I am not against the appliance, but I find it not that useful as it occupies a large space in the kitchen, costs hefty, plus additional maintenance when it comes to ground water marks on the utensils and in appliance.

Dishwasher can be placed under the kitchen counter (of standard height). It can also be used as a free standing appliance kept in utility area. If you have a good size utility area, it can accommodate both dishwasher and washing machine. I used to keep it this way in my previous rented apartment. When we moved into our own apartment, we made sure to accommodate it under the kitchen counter. (We have a parallel kitchen, so we have sufficient space under the counter)

Only point to keep in mind is that dishwasher doesn't give good results with hard water. If you are living in the IT areas of Bangalore, which do not get corporation water - please discuss with your neighbours before making the purchase. My dishwasher used to give good results in my previous apartment, but it leaves white spots on the utensils in my current apartment. (Both apartments are in the same locality and both are dependent on borewells and tankers for water supply) (I have tried all possible settings of salt and rinse aid)

[tj123]

Originally Posted by rohan_iitr

My dishwasher used to give good results in my previous apartment, but it leaves white spots on the utensils in my current apartment. (Both apartments are in the same locality and both are dependent on borewells and tankers for water supply) (I have tried all possible settings of salt and rinse aid)

Most dishwashers, including those from Bosch, can handle a maximum TDS of 500 ppm. If the TDS level exceeds this, the only viable solution is to install a portable water softener unit.

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Originally Posted by rohan_iitr

One can always put tawa, kadhai, pressure cooker etc in the dishwasher. But these occupy a lot of space. I would rather put 4-5 smaller utensils more in the dishwasher and wash the cooker, kadhayi and tawa manually.

Also, it is not recommended to put aluminium utensils in the dishwasher. Aluminium kadhais and pressure cooker are used very commonly in India.

I mean you could just run a second cycle with the remaining items. Often all the utensils won't fit so just do them in batches.

On the aluminium front I wasn't aware. Just assumed anodised aluminium would be fine. For our beater non anodised kadai, I'm not precious about it at all so just lug it in the dishwasher.

[notme]

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Many thanks for the review and recommendation . I agree with you reg the slightly weird door opening interlock but I suppose I will get used to it once its used regularly.

I have been using a Bosch dishwasher with fortune dishwasher powder and rinse liquid since the pandemic without any issues. The only thing to be careful about is thin vessels and plates, as they tend to bend over time.

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B07...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Theyota]

Originally Posted by ads11

The technicians had a hissy fit at my scandalous idea of mounting the tumble dryer on top of the washing machine despite them being of the same series,

I don't understand why you think this is a scandalous idea or your technician threw a hissy fit. It is perfectly normal to keep compatible dryer over a washer. It is done all over the world. You cannot keep washer over dryer.

ie mountable - so the dishwasher was the compromise. My original plan was to have the dishwasher on a sliding tray below the sink but the plumbers weren't happy about this.

This is not normal and unsafe for a standard size dishwasher. How do you load dishes in the racks with dishwasher sitting on washer.

Edit: I see you have placed a compact dishwasher. This might work but not preferred by me.

Originally Posted by tj123

Most dishwashers, including those from Bosch, can handle a maximum TDS of 500 ppm. If the TDS level exceeds this, the only viable solution is to install a portable water softener unit.

I think the inbuilt softener of Bosch dishwashers can handle TDS up to ~800 ppm. You have to make the correct configuration in the settings after checking the hardness of water. Also many people ignore the softener salt chamber empty reminder coming up and do not refill salt in time.

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Originally Posted by Theyota

I don't understand why you think this is a scandalous idea or your technician threw a hissy fit. It is perfectly normal to keep compatible dryer over a washer. It is done all over the world. You cannot keep washer over dryer.

Oh I know, I was just being glib. The technicians weren't having it, despite pointing out their brochure quite clearly displayed the dryer sitting on top of the washer. I distinctly remember them muttering something about the flooring being different abroad. They always seem to have some far fetched excuse for why it won't work in India. Eventually I give up and wait till they're gone before just doing it myself. I have a whole catalogue of these excuses of theirs.

This is not normal and unsafe for a standard size dishwasher. How do you load dishes in the racks with dishwasher sitting on washer.

Edit: I see you have placed a compact dishwasher. This might work but not preferred by me.

Oh don't worry, I wouldn't think of mounting a full size dishwasher on top of a washing machine. It's only because it's half size that it fits well. Besides, now the cook doesn't complain about their back with this dishwasher.

I will say there's one house I've visited where they had the idea (when remodelling) to mount their white goods a solid foot above the floor (they have pull out drawers underneath to make use of that space). Honestly having the washer and dryer at that height is really convenient, they joked about not missing any loose socks in either. Same principle applied for their dishwasher. Issues I could see though is what a pain it would be to lift up and into the slot for installation or when you need to put it out to get to the connections. Having self installed and uninstalled an integrated dishwasher I still wince at the idea. Other corollary is that unless you're Dutch, if you raised your countertops by a foot as well, you'd need a step tool to do any work on them.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by Theyota

I don't understand why you think this is a scandalous idea or your technician threw a hissy fit. It is perfectly normal to keep compatible dryer over a washer. It is done all over the world. You cannot keep washer over dryer.

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