Any UNIX/LINUX C++ Developer out there??

clevermax · 27th April 2009, 10:40

Is there any unix (or linux) - c/c++ developer out there ??
(Hmm... I could hear echoes as if it is being asked in a vast and empty mountain area)

I am asking this to know more about the kind of development environment you have, how 'Visual' it is, and how do you compare it with any development experience using Visual Studio in Windows.

In my team, people still are doing development using primitive ways, i.e., using VI editor or gvim. Nobody knows what Intellisense is and how the IDE can help a developer while writing code. The GUI development is pathetic, where people write the gui code (using Xwindows) all by hand and nobody uses any Visual GUI development tools at all.

So, if you happen to develop c/c++ in unix or linux, and if you are using any kind of modern development tools or anything better than what I wrote above, it would be of great help if you provide the details, so that I can try implementing it in my team.

We develop in Unix Solaris and Redhat Linux. There are few servers, which all developers access using Exceed (not even EOD) from their XP boxes.

I was a Windows developer and I am quite new to unix linux platform, so I thought of asking someone who has experience, rather than researching myself first.

Thanks in advance!!

amitoj · 27th April 2009, 10:53

LOL. Welcome to the dark world of unix!

btw, isnt Intellisense a tool for Windows? Why would a unix developer know anything about that?

And did you just call vi primitive? Oh brother....

The only tool i use is cscope. its a code browser. And its free. You will find it pretty handy.

deepakhon · 27th April 2009, 10:59

Same here. vim+cscope for almost a decade. I did not need anything else.

srishiva · 27th April 2009, 11:05

I use kscope frontend for source browsing/searching.

clevermax · 27th April 2009, 11:12

Thanks for the quick responses amitoj, deepahon & srishiva!

Yes, some developers here use cscope of course.

With all respect, VI is a very good text editor. But when it comes to c++ development, a good IDE with smart intellisense, source browsing capabilities, symbol search, integrated build and debugger is light years ahead of VI.

Anyone has ever tried any cross compilation? Anyone using Eclipse?

I have one idea, and that's already been put to practice here. The source files from unix/linux is shared over windows using Samba file server. The developers run eclpse or Visual Studio in windows through they open up the source files and develop. But I feel this is not very easy to set up in the first place. Another issue is that deveopers need to go back to unix/linux to build the changes and debug.

Any other ideas/suggestions welcome...

alpha1 · 27th April 2009, 11:21

do ppl still use emacs?

I remember using it during my coll.
Had far too many features ...

amitoj · 27th April 2009, 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by clevermax

With all respect, VI is a very good text editor. But when it comes to c++ development, a good IDE with smart intellisense, source browsing capabilities, symbol search, integrated build and debugger is light years ahead of VI.

Arre baba vi (or vim, since vim has virtually replaced the old vi all over unix) has all those features. See this
Vim documentation: usr_toc

If you feel you will be more comfortable with a GUI type of editor, then you can try emacs.

Both vim and emacs do all the things that a Visual Studio editor can, and then some more.

By the way, your suggestion of opening files in VS means you are paying microsoft license fee just to view files. Overkill, isnt it?

sudev · 27th April 2009, 11:30

One: Depending on what you end product is eclipse django anjuta or bluefish could be used.

Two: I am not a programmer but people swear by emacc or xemacs

clevermax · 27th April 2009, 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitoj

By the way, your suggestion of opening files in VS means you are paying microsoft license fee just to view files. Overkill, isnt it?

That's Visual Studio Express, which is free. That was just tried out as part of our exercise on liberating developers from the dark world

I have used cscope with gvim. I agree that the functionalities of Visual Studio or Eclipse is there. May be it can do much more. But the WYSIWYG factor is missing and the UI development still sucks unless you use some kind of 'Visual' UI authoring tool.

And, for me, VI, Gvim all are the same. If I don't get the whole line selected when I do a Home->Shift->End, that's not an editor for me. Yes the IBM PC keyboard spoiled me

I used to develop C++ in Visual Studio with Visual Assist plugin installed. I'd say it is a different kind of experience altogether. It enables the developer to concentrate more on the (business) logic or algortihm which he/she is envisaging and trying to implement rather than paying some attention to the commands which needs to be typed in or the syntax of the code.

amitoj · 27th April 2009, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by clevermax

That's Visual Studio Express, which is free. That was just tried out as part of our exercise on liberating developers from the dark world

Ah ok

What toolkit are you using for GUI development? Its been a long time since i delved in that, but i think Qt toolkit might be helpful as far as GUI development is concerned. I think it comes with its own IDE as well.

clevermax · 27th April 2009, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitoj

Ah ok

What toolkit are you using for GUI development? Its been a long time since i delved in that, but i think Qt toolkit might be helpful as far as GUI development is concerned. I think it comes with its own IDE as well.

amitoj, I've heard about the QT toolkit. I dont know how costly it is. Currently, to make Xwindows based dialogs, people write this .frm files by hand, and run some command over it which will create the actual C file which can render the dialog when run. Then they write the event handling code in the autogenerated functions in that C file. Tedious process isn't it?

cypher · 27th April 2009, 12:25

You can look at Kdevelop on Linux. It is a full featured IDE supposed to be on similar lines to Visual Studio.

clevermax · 27th April 2009, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by cypher

You can look at Kdevelop on Linux. It is a full featured IDE supposed to be on similar lines to Visual Studio.

kDevelop seems to answer my needs... But only for linux... :( Thanks a lot cypher for pointing out...

cypher · 27th April 2009, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by clevermax

kDevelop seems to answer my needs... But only for linux... :( Thanks a lot cypher for pointing out...

Which flavour of UNIX are you working on?

The KDE website mentions that it runs on many flavours of UNIX. You may be able to get Kdevelop running on a non-Linux platform. BTW, eclipse can also be used for C++ development. Though, not sure about its support for GUI development.

deepclutch · 27th April 2009, 14:11

not a developer/programmer.as gnu/linux got 2 famous gui toolkits - gtk+(gnome) and qt(kde) .for gtk+ ,glade is what I think developers will prefer.
Anjuta is a C/C++ IDE .
Is there any GTK+ IDE? - Ubuntu Forums

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clevermax Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tvm/Amsterdam Posts: 2,087 Thanked: 2,643 Times View My Garage	Any UNIX/LINUX C++ Developer out there?? Is there any unix (or linux) - c/c++ developer out there ?? (Hmm... I could hear echoes as if it is being asked in a vast and empty mountain area) I am asking this to know more about the kind of development environment you have, how 'Visual' it is, and how do you compare it with any development experience using Visual Studio in Windows. In my team, people still are doing development using primitive ways, i.e., using VI editor or gvim. Nobody knows what Intellisense is and how the IDE can help a developer while writing code. The GUI development is pathetic, where people write the gui code (using Xwindows) all by hand and nobody uses any Visual GUI development tools at all. So, if you happen to develop c/c++ in unix or linux, and if you are using any kind of modern development tools or anything better than what I wrote above, it would be of great help if you provide the details, so that I can try implementing it in my team. We develop in Unix Solaris and Redhat Linux. There are few servers, which all developers access using Exceed (not even EOD) from their XP boxes. I was a Windows developer and I am quite new to unix linux platform, so I thought of asking someone who has experience, rather than researching myself first. Thanks in advance!!
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amitoj Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Windham, NH USA Posts: 3,349 Thanked: 3,112 Times View My Garage	LOL. Welcome to the dark world of unix! btw, isnt Intellisense a tool for Windows? Why would a unix developer know anything about that? And did you just call vi primitive? Oh brother.... The only tool i use is cscope. its a code browser. And its free. You will find it pretty handy.
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deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	Same here. vim+cscope for almost a decade. I did not need anything else.
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srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	I use kscope frontend for source browsing/searching.
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clevermax Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tvm/Amsterdam Posts: 2,087 Thanked: 2,643 Times View My Garage	Thanks for the quick responses amitoj, deepahon & srishiva! Yes, some developers here use cscope of course. With all respect, VI is a very good text editor. But when it comes to c++ development, a good IDE with smart intellisense, source browsing capabilities, symbol search, integrated build and debugger is light years ahead of VI. Anyone has ever tried any cross compilation? Anyone using Eclipse? I have one idea, and that's already been put to practice here. The source files from unix/linux is shared over windows using Samba file server. The developers run eclpse or Visual Studio in windows through they open up the source files and develop. But I feel this is not very easy to set up in the first place. Another issue is that deveopers need to go back to unix/linux to build the changes and debug. Any other ideas/suggestions welcome... Last edited by clevermax : 27th April 2009 at 11:14.
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alpha1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: LandOfNoWinters Posts: 2,095 Thanked: 2,608 Times	do ppl still use emacs? I remember using it during my coll. Had far too many features ...
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sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,838 Thanked: 3,179 Times	One: Depending on what you end product is eclipse django anjuta or bluefish could be used. Two: I am not a programmer but people swear by emacc or xemacs
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cypher BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 153 Thanked: 4 Times	You can look at Kdevelop on Linux. It is a full featured IDE supposed to be on similar lines to Visual Studio.
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deepclutch Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Muvattupuzha Posts: 1,165 Thanked: 162 Times	not a developer/programmer.as gnu/linux got 2 famous gui toolkits - gtk+(gnome) and qt(kde) .for gtk+ ,glade is what I think developers will prefer. Anjuta is a C/C++ IDE . Is there any GTK+ IDE? - Ubuntu Forums
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