8 mega pixel camera

navin · 19th October 2005, 16:07

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

@ navin, check out http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec..._stylus800.asp, seems like a great cam. I checked out the review for Panasonic LX camera and in that they compared the noise graphs. This camera has really low noise and ISO 1600 capability!

...Looks like the sony CCD was defective. As most manufacturers use sony CCD, the digital camera world is in a tiffy

each camera has an interesting feature.
a) the Oly has ISO 1600
b) the Panasonic and Konica-Minolta have IS
c) the Nikon has Wi-Fi
d) the Canon has a hot shoe which is nice since my relative can borrow my Canon 420EX flash
e) the Panasonic has a Leica 4x zoom lens with 28mm wide

then the Canon is heavy and does not really fit in a jeans pocket, the Konica-Minolta is noiser than the Panasonic which is noisier than the Oly, the Oly uses xD cards which are more expensive than SD.

I dont see much wrong with the Nikon P1 so far. Do you guys?

tsk1979 · 19th October 2005, 16:28

P1 seems to be a great cam and the best of the lot. Oly has a huge disadvantage of with max shutter time of 1/2 sec only as compared to nikon which can go upto 8 sec. Great for night pics, but you need a tripod.

navin · 19th October 2005, 16:36

The P1 is only 35mm wide. 28mm is really somethinge else esp in group photos and architecture. No camera is perfect but the way I am looking at it is that the P1 has fewest "issues". Not as noisy as the Panasonic or Konica-Minolta, not as heavy as Canon, and uses SD cards. what i give up is a hot shoe, ISO 1600, IS and 28mm wide.

Rudra Sen · 19th October 2005, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Rishi

the higher the pixels, the greater the noise (digital noise). It doesnt make sense in taking a camera with a higher pixel value,

I'm not understanding this bit Rishi. Explanation needed, please.

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if he is not going to use the pictures for printing purposes.

So how noise is going to help in printing?

navin · 19th October 2005, 23:33

Rudra, just the guy i need! what do you think oh camera bhagwan!

I am leaning towards the Nikon P1 as the Canon S80 might be too big. It has to fit in a jeans front pocket.

devarshi84 · 19th October 2005, 23:59

Boy are you sure you need a 8MP camera???

It is for the semi-proffessionals . For normal people even a 6mp is overkill. where will you store all those large pics and why spend without reason.

instead go for 5-6 megapixels and select the best with advanced features.

looko at canon, Olympus, NIkon SOny and Panasonic

devarshi84 · 20th October 2005, 00:09

btw

among the above 2 models nikon p1 is definitely a winner.

Rudra Sen · 20th October 2005, 08:31

Navin, pardon my ignorance. I’ve never tried these small pocket cameras. And please don't think that I'm a snob.

My area of application includes large images for reproductions and fine prints.
If your friend is not looking for large prints, suggest go for lower size (5mp or lower).
Higher mega pixel camera should have proper RAW processing software to get optimum results. JPEG images are only to take prints (replacing our traditional colour negetive prints) and further sizing down for e-mailing.

As I read from the magazines, Nikon P1 should be good if he has decided for 8mp only.

devarshi84 · 20th October 2005, 10:06

exjactly what I said. Look for a lower resolution camera.

and NIkon p1 is better among the two.

navin · 20th October 2005, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Rudra Sen

Navin, pardon my ignorance. I’ve never tried these small pocket cameras. And please don't think that I'm a snob.
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Rudra, anyone who drives a Mark II amby cant be a snob. :-) LOL

Nah! me too! my expereince is only in the SLR-Medium format area so I thought the young guns here who have grown up in the digtal world would know better.

We decided to get the P1 with a 1Megapixel card for under 20K.

tsk1979 · 20th October 2005, 11:47

@navin, dpreview has posted a full review of the oly 800. I think the p1 review is in pipeline too!. so if your family member can wait a week or so, the results will be out.

navin · 20th October 2005, 11:57

the oly's real advantage over the p1 is ISO 1600. my guy told me the P1 is available for 17K and a 1GB card for 2.5K. I cant believe it because at 17K it is cheaper than the best price pricegrabber could throw up! I hope he is talking about the Nikon p1! :-)

this is what dpreview had to say about the panny and oly....

panasonic....
To release a camera so obviously aimed at the serious photographer, to add so many usable manual controls, to put a razor-sharp Leica lens on the front and then to drop in a chip / processor that is so noisy you can't use it above ISO 100 is quite simply unforgivable. It's like buying a Ferrari and discovering it maxes out at 55 mph.....We had real difficulty deciding between Above Average and Recommended for the LX1; it is capable of delivering stunning resolution, sharpness and detail - and is stuffed to the gills with useful photographic features, but for a camera to exhibit this level of noise at ISO 80 in 2005 is pretty unforgivable.

Olympus
the Stylus 800 is an excellent, well-specified camera that is let down by its image processing (and what is, I suspect, a fairly noisy sensor). We'd be more comfortable with the noise / noise reduction / sharpening issue if there was any control over it, but there isn't, and - by our measure of what makes a good camera at least - this is a serious enough issue to (just) miss getting a recommended...

Hence i figured i'd have to choose between the Canon and the Nikon. The X1 from Minolta was also found to be nisy by dpreview.

Nikon was more pocketable.

View Poll Results: Which camera?
Canon S80: heaviest but has hot shoe	3	42.86%
Konica-Minolta X1: slow lens but light and has IS	0	0%
Nikon P1: but light and has Wi-Fi	3	42.86%
Olympus 800: xD card but good LCD and macro	0	0%
Panasonic LX1: noisy but sharp lens and has IS	1	14.29%
any other (please read post) options	0	0%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

19th October 2005, 16:28	#17
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	P1 seems to be a great cam and the best of the lot. Oly has a huge disadvantage of with max shutter time of 1/2 sec only as compared to nikon which can go upto 8 sec. Great for night pics, but you need a tripod.
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19th October 2005, 16:36	#18
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,176 Thanked: 9,264 Times	The P1 is only 35mm wide. 28mm is really somethinge else esp in group photos and architecture. No camera is perfect but the way I am looking at it is that the P1 has fewest "issues". Not as noisy as the Panasonic or Konica-Minolta, not as heavy as Canon, and uses SD cards. what i give up is a hot shoe, ISO 1600, IS and 28mm wide.
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19th October 2005, 23:33	#20
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,176 Thanked: 9,264 Times	Rudra, just the guy i need! what do you think oh camera bhagwan! I am leaning towards the Nikon P1 as the Canon S80 might be too big. It has to fit in a jeans front pocket.
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19th October 2005, 23:59	#21
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	Boy are you sure you need a 8MP camera??? It is for the semi-proffessionals . For normal people even a 6mp is overkill. where will you store all those large pics and why spend without reason. instead go for 5-6 megapixels and select the best with advanced features. looko at canon, Olympus, NIkon SOny and Panasonic
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20th October 2005, 00:09	#22
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	btw among the above 2 models nikon p1 is definitely a winner.
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20th October 2005, 08:31	#23
Rudra Sen Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,588 Thanked: 6,530 Times View My Garage	Navin, pardon my ignorance. I’ve never tried these small pocket cameras. And please don't think that I'm a snob. My area of application includes large images for reproductions and fine prints. If your friend is not looking for large prints, suggest go for lower size (5mp or lower). Higher mega pixel camera should have proper RAW processing software to get optimum results. JPEG images are only to take prints (replacing our traditional colour negetive prints) and further sizing down for e-mailing. As I read from the magazines, Nikon P1 should be good if he has decided for 8mp only.
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20th October 2005, 10:06	#24
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	exjactly what I said. Look for a lower resolution camera. and NIkon p1 is better among the two.
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20th October 2005, 11:47	#26
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	@navin, dpreview has posted a full review of the oly 800. I think the p1 review is in pipeline too!. so if your family member can wait a week or so, the results will be out.
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20th October 2005, 11:57	#27
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,176 Thanked: 9,264 Times	the oly's real advantage over the p1 is ISO 1600. my guy told me the P1 is available for 17K and a 1GB card for 2.5K. I cant believe it because at 17K it is cheaper than the best price pricegrabber could throw up! I hope he is talking about the Nikon p1! :-) this is what dpreview had to say about the panny and oly.... panasonic.... To release a camera so obviously aimed at the serious photographer, to add so many usable manual controls, to put a razor-sharp Leica lens on the front and then to drop in a chip / processor that is so noisy you can't use it above ISO 100 is quite simply unforgivable. It's like buying a Ferrari and discovering it maxes out at 55 mph.....We had real difficulty deciding between Above Average and Recommended for the LX1; it is capable of delivering stunning resolution, sharpness and detail - and is stuffed to the gills with useful photographic features, but for a camera to exhibit this level of noise at ISO 80 in 2005 is pretty unforgivable. Olympus the Stylus 800 is an excellent, well-specified camera that is let down by its image processing (and what is, I suspect, a fairly noisy sensor). We'd be more comfortable with the noise / noise reduction / sharpening issue if there was any control over it, but there isn't, and - by our measure of what makes a good camera at least - this is a serious enough issue to (just) miss getting a recommended... Hence i figured i'd have to choose between the Canon and the Nikon. The X1 from Minolta was also found to be nisy by dpreview. Nikon was more pocketable. Last edited by navin : 20th October 2005 at 12:17.
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