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26th June 2013, 18:33 | #46 | ||||||
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The DSG in Sports mode can redline at such a dark shade of red, that it will put manual enthusiasts to shame. Quote:
The Vento, I have not driven, no. I meant showing off after modding... since people were of the opinion that the Liva has better mod potential, then you can only show it off by doing body kit updates. The stock interiors are of course terrible and there is not much chance you can make it any better. Last edited by herculesksp : 26th June 2013 at 18:43. Reason: multi quote | ||||||
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26th June 2013, 22:23 | #47 | |
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| Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI Quote:
I agree with you. I have seen enthusiasts buying the GT (a friend of mine has booked GT after selling his Old Swift). But, 9 Lacs is just too much for a hatchback. The Swift ZXi would be a better bet. Power is not everything. IMO Even a Swift ZXi with performance mods, a body kit and wider tyres would be equally FTD as the GT TSI, if not more. Both Swift and Polo have great mod potential, not so with the Liva. Quote:
Nope. Not yet. But, I will try to have a TD ASAP. Quote:
I have opted for Liva because of its reliability (Though I myself own a Skoda). At 7.99 Lacs , the GT doesn't make any sense to me. (Sorry if I was harsh. Just my personal views.) A few bucks more and you can get a more practical sedan. BTW A question, does VW cover the Transmission under warranty? Cheers! | |||
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In 2002 the OHC vtec which had no features at all cost over 9 lakhs! Quote:
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Now on the steering part i completely agree with you. This steering is not for enthusiasts, plus the basic interior is a let down too. Last edited by Samba : 27th June 2013 at 19:15. | |
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28th June 2013, 11:00 | #52 | |
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| Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI Quote:
Similarly, if the steering is the biggest part of driver involvement, and if that is as dissociated as helicopters and submarines, then what is the point of even discussing the fact that the Liva is a hot hatch? People are voting against the Polo because of its after sales service. When we are talking about a car being a hot hatch, it's because of the way it drives, not the way its serviced! Last edited by mango_pal : 28th June 2013 at 11:03. | |
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Rapid AT comes at 8.75 Lacs, segments ahead of Polo and i20. The Ecosport Ecoboost starts at 7.9 Lacs (same as Polo GT TSI) and goes upto 8.3 Lacs. So, how can it be considered expensive? (Seeing that its Power figures are better than Polo) The Power to Weight is ~97.77 BHP/Ton and Torque to Weight is ~135.13 Nm/Ton. The Polo's 0-100 timings are 9.5 seconds while the Ecosport manages at 11 seconds. Also, the Diesel AT of Ford Ecosport Titanium is priced at 8.6 Lacs. And I think you meant i20 Petrol 1.4 Automatic, which is priced almost same as the GT TSI, right? The i20 is no way an enthusiast car, with its lifeless steering and uninspiring stability. The i20 is loaded with features while the Polo is equally loaded. i20 (above Polo)
Comparing Liva with Polo: The Polo weights ~130 Kgs above Liva TRD. The Polo has 103 BHP Power and the Liva has 90 BHP. Now, finding out the Power to weight ratios of the two, I found that both have equal power. Why? Liva is lighter and thus scores more. GT TSI has a ratio of ~97.63 BHP/Ton while the Liva TRD has a respectable ~97.29 BHP/Ton. So, the Liva and Polo have identical figures but Polo has 175 Nm of torque and the Liva has ~132Nm. Polo's Torque to Weight ratio stands at ~165.8 Nm/Ton while Liva gets a respectable ~142.7 Nm/Ton. From all this, Polo is better. But, ownership of a car includes maintenance costs, spare part availability and cost, service network, after sales service and many other things, apart from Power and Torque figures. Toyota leads in all above aspects when compared to the VW. Also, I am sure Toyota and Hyundai would get much better resale value than VW. Quote:
Sure. My friend's GT TSI (Deep Black) would be delivered tomorrow and I will drive it most probably by Sunday. Let's see. That's nice. I though the DSG was not covered under warranty. Thanks for clarification. Last edited by GTO : 2nd July 2013 at 16:06. Reason: As requested | |||||
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28th June 2013, 14:56 | #55 | ||
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Here i am not against polo, between polo and Liva i preferred Liva only because of the manual transmission. But still i will wait to take a test drive of the Polo as Herculesksp mentioned its altogether a different experience. Now coming to Liva currently its the second most powerful hatch back available in the Indian market next to the Polo Tsi. So its considered as hot hatch. About the 132Nm torque if you drive a Brio/swift and a Liva back to back you will definitely feel the difference. As Loud mentioned the power to weight ratio of Liva and Polo are almost similar. That's my point too. The light body weight of the Liva made it fun to drive. Regarding steering feedback its one criteria of being a hot hatch but its not everything. If it had been so then the Figo or the Punto 1.2 should also been considered as hot hatch as they provide the best steering feed back! For being a hot hatch the first criteria should be its engine capabilites followed by suspension, handling/ steering feedback. Am sad to say the Palio GTX 1.6 has been stopped from the production. If it would have been there then the comparison could have been between the polo Tsi and the Palio GTX. As you mention about your verna having 150Nm of torque and 102 Bhp, if it would be a hatch with this specification it would definitely been considered as a hot hatch at least in India. In the current Indian market scenario any hatch producing around 100Bhp is considered as a hot hatch. Now compared to abroad market these are not hot hatches even the Polo Tsi is not. So in future things may change. If cars like Punto Abrath or so are released in India. Well am too not bothered about Toyota or Volkswagen servicing as that has nothing to do with a car being hot or not. I will bother about servicing only when i am going to buy any of these. Quote:
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| Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI Quote:
In fact you should try a CVT if you are worried about engines feeling strained. The CVT has, theoretically, unlimited gears, so it can keep the engine purring all along. In fact one auto mag reported that the Micra CVT was running at around 1500 revs at triple digit speed on the highway. Beat that MT!. Quote:
In my humble opinion, I just don't see why an AT is preferred for cruising on the expressway as compared to an MT? In an MT, on an expressway, I would, within the first 10 secs, slot into the highest gear and I stay there as long as I have a clear road ahead. There is no question ever of engaging with the tranny. So I have no bone to pick with an MT on the expressways. On the other hand, the ATs available currently (unless its a CVT) are terrible for the highways. They are purely city cars suitable for pottering around. This is because the ATs are all 4-speed or 5-speed and they easily run out of breath on the highways at speed. I see a lot of figures and textual facts but practically things could be much different. I could clearly conclude that you have not driven a Polo AT and in fact you have just mentioned that below as well, so my guess was right. There are a lot of things that an AT is and an AT isn't. However the discussion in this thread is about a Polo GT and a Liva TRD. These are not your run-of-the-mill cars. I sincerely recommend you to TD these cars before you make any further assumptions about how they drive. You will enjoy yourself irrespective of which are you finally like. Interiors/Exteriors/After-sales is completely subjective and one can form an opinion irrespective of whether you have seen the car in person or not. Last edited by herculesksp : 30th June 2013 at 08:42. | ||
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| Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI The cock pit of Polo in line with its performance just puts the Liva in dust. But there is significant premium for this niche since its an AT too |
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| Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI Drove The VW Polo GT TSI At around 11 AM on Sunday, my friend called me up to say these few words: ‘Are you coming for a drive to Greater Faridabad in my car?’ and his car? Yes, the recently delivered Polo GT TSI. He was not particularly looking for an AT car, but Polo changed everything, including the budget, which was increased by a whopping 3 Lacs, just to acquire the GT TSI! This made me even more excited to drive the car and find out what’s so special in it! At 11:45 AM, I found myself stepping out of my Rapid AT and heading straight to the gleaming Polo GT TSI (Deep Black) standing right in front of me. Man! The way it looked with the smoked head lamps and ‘Estrada’ alloys! After some time, I was on the passenger seat and my friend was explaining me about ‘Driving the GT TSI’, just like a sales-person in a car dealership. 30 minutes and after some requests and arguments, I was allowed to seat myself on the hot seat of the Polo GT. I cranked up the engine and below are my observations (in points) after driving the car for ~30 kms.
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BHPian | Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI The heart says POLO, the brain says LIVA! The Polo's build quality and styling is just years ahead of the little Toyota. But then, the reliability and the up keep costs do matter. The DSG is prone to failures as we all know & when it comes to maintenance, VW & Toyota are on the extreme ends with VW being on the higher side. But, i'm a guy who prefers what the brain says. So, Liva TRD is the one for me. |
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| Re: Sporty Petrol Hatch Showdown: Toyota Liva TRD vs VW Polo GT TSI Disclosure: I own a Polo GT TSI. I voted for Polo GT as in my personal opinion it's as close to a hot hatch we have in India till date. I have always desired European hot-hatches, especially the Veedubs. But the 1.2L 3-cylinder was horrible and did not make any one grin, let alone an enthusiast. As an enthusiast and a tech geek, I was waiting for the most-hyped and probably affordable EcoBoost engine powered EcoSport. As the wait grew longer and as i badly needed a car thought will keep an eye on GT as well. When the car was released, I too was disappointed that the brilliant TSI engine didn't come with manual option and yes also with the pricing, but the TD changed my opinion on ATs thanks to the fabulous DSG gearbox. Forgetting the pricing, it came across a practical and safe hatch and will also keep the enthusiast inside you happy. Now coming to the Etios Liva TRD, I have always admired Toyota and their well engineered cars but lost all respect when they came out with made-for-India Etios and Liva. To me they couldn't have offended us Indians any worse, with terrible design elements and blaring cost-cutting. I have driven a friends' Etios, and yet to drive a Liva TRD. So my opinion is of only one side!! Quote:
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